Franken put in Office by Felons

[Zeb_Carter]

Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds
By Ed Barnes
Published July 12, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The six-month election recount that turned former "Saturday Night Live" comedian Al Franken into a U.S. senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota's Twin Cities.

That's the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.

The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes -- fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority's newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records.

Furthermore, the report charges that efforts to get state and federal authorities to act on its findings have been "stonewalled."

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Ya gotta love it!

 

[Huckleman2000]

Do you really think that all convicted felons vote for Democrats, or that they don't live in rural counties? That is an awfully selective study...

 

[Liar]

...if 91,4% or more of them voted Franken

...and if there were no other illegal votes anywhere voting Coleman... something I'm suuuure a "conservative watchdog group" have also thorougly investigated...

That's a considerable amount of if.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I don't deny that voter fraud occurs in both camps...never have...it's just been my experience, living in Chicago most of my life, that Democrats commit fraud more often to get their candidate elected. How often do you hear about dead people voting in the Chicago election. Growing up it was a standard election day joke trying to guess how many dead people Mayor Daley won by.

Franken won by the slimmest of margins 312 votes...if you subtract 341 from that Franken would have lost. There is nothing that can be done about it now, but as the one DA said they can try to make things better. And I haven't seen a study by some liberal rag on voter fraud in that election.

 

[mynameisben]

Where will it all end? Next thing ya know, somebody's gonna break a story about politicians breaking campaign promises.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Where will it all end? Next thing ya know, somebody's gonna break a story about politicians breaking campaign promises.

If you want I could find one I'm sure.

 

[bronzeage]

Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds
By Ed Barnes
Published July 12, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The six-month election recount that turned former "Saturday Night Live" comedian Al Franken into a U.S. senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota's Twin Cities.

That's the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.

The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes -- fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority's newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records.

Furthermore, the report charges that efforts to get state and federal authorities to act on its findings have been "stonewalled."

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Ya gotta love it!

We should waterboard all those felons to find out who they voted for.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds
By Ed Barnes
Published July 12, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The six-month election recount that turned former "Saturday Night Live" comedian Al Franken into a U.S. senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota's Twin Cities.

That's the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.

The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes -- fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority's newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records.

Furthermore, the report charges that efforts to get state and federal authorities to act on its findings have been "stonewalled."

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Ya gotta love it!

When I saw this thread, I thought it was about ACORN. They were busy in MN, aided and abetted by the Democrat Secretary of State. We will never know how many phony voters registered and voted for Franken, or how often they voted or in how many precincts.

Generally speaking, I believe the Dem. party is more crooked than the Rep., but that's like saying there is more water in the Pacific Ocean than in the Atlantic. They both cheat whenever they can.

 

[3113]

Where will it all end? Next thing ya know, somebody's gonna break a story about politicians breaking campaign promises.

Or not counting votes in a Presidential election and forcing it to be decided by the Supreme Court

 

[3113]

To be eligible to vote in Minn. you need to be:

* at least 18-years-old on Election Day
* a citizen of the United States
* have resided in Minnesota for 20 days immediately preceding Election Day
* have any felony conviction record discharged, expired, or completed
* not under court-ordered guardianship where a court has revoked your voting rights
* not been ruled legally incompetent by a court of law

What criteria did this "conservative [oh, there's an unbias "watchdog" group] watchdog group" do to determine that these voters were ineligible?

Please answer Zeb. Otherwise, you're repeating propaganda rather than news. For example, were these "felons" perhaps ex-felons that had their conviction records discharged? And how does the watchdog group know they all voted for Franken? And why didn't Coleman find this out in all the months that this election battle was in court?

Once again. I'd like these questions answered with some good, checkable facts. Otherwise, you're repeating slander. And that's not something you ought to be doing. Unless, of course, you want me to just toss back at you what everyone tossed at those who complained about President Bush's stolen election of 2000--"Get over it."

 

[Boxlicker101]

Or not counting votes in a Presidential election and forcing it to be decided by the Supreme Court

Not counting votes is what the FL Supreme Court tried to do in 2000. If they had their way, the voters in that state would have been disenfranchised in the presidential election, because the electors would not have been able to cast their votes. SCOTUS overruled their decision.

However, as you said in your next post, "Get over it."

 

[Boxlicker101]

To be eligible to vote in Minn. you need to be:

* at least 18-years-old on Election Day
* a citizen of the United States
* have resided in Minnesota for 20 days immediately preceding Election Day
* have any felony conviction record discharged, expired, or completed
* not under court-ordered guardianship where a court has revoked your voting rights
* not been ruled legally incompetent by a court of law

What criteria did this "conservative [oh, there's an unbias "watchdog" group] watchdog group" do to determine that these voters were ineligible?

Please answer Zeb. Otherwise, you're repeating propaganda rather than news. For example, were these "felons" perhaps ex-felons that had their conviction records discharged? And how does the watchdog group know they all voted for Franken? And why didn't Coleman find this out in all the months that this election battle was in court?

Once again. I'd like these questions answered with some good, checkable facts. Otherwise, you're repeating slander. And that's not something you ought to be doing. Unless, of course, you want me to just toss back at you what everyone tossed at those who complained about President Bush's stolen election of 2000--"Get over it."

The County Attorney in Ramsey County is doing that, and has found quite a few fraudulent voters. They haven't finished yet, but they are working on it, and should have results in a few weeks. That's one county, but a large one, and it looks as if the complainers have a very real objection. Of course, it's impossible to know who the illegal voters voted for.

 

[TE999]

Gee whiz, a Democrat elected by voter fraud and the case is being 'stonewalled', who'da thunk it?

I find it amusing that because this was a 'conservative' group that uncovered this bit of chicanery and it was reported on Fox News the usual whiners dismiss it out of hand.

I suppose if this report came out on a Republican in the 'New York Times' and on CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/ CNN and NPR it would be taken as the gospel.

Stuart Smalley's one more clown in the circus that is the House and I'm sure he's not the only pol in there who had a huge voter turnout from ex-cons, drunks, druggies and the cemetery.

 

[cloudy]

Stuart Smalley's one more clown in the circus that is the House and I'm sure he's not the only pol in there who had a huge voter turnout from ex-cons, drunks, druggies and the cemetery.

Until they can tell us exactly who the "felons" voted for, it's all so much conjecture, as usual.

 

[Boota]

So, maybe they all voted for Coleman and otherwise Franken would have won by 653. Details are needed.

Details like the President of Diebold "guaranteeing" GWB would win Ohio. And then amid huge evidence of substantial voter fraud, in Bush's favor, he won Ohio.

Voter fraud, either way, should be punished, but I can't see where anyone would think the Republicans were cleaner than the Democrats when it comes to cheating.

 

[3113]

Gee whiz, a Democrat elected by voter fraud and the case is being 'stonewalled', who'da thunk it?

Who's stonewalling? Give me the facts. All I know now is that this "conservative" watchdog group is speculating that a certain number of felons voted in the election.

And?

I suppose if this report came out on a Republican in the 'New York Times' and on CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/ CNN and NPR it would be taken as the gospel

A little more seriously, maybe--but I'd still want the facts. Faux has a tendency to get things wrong. A lot wrong. And they're bias as shit, and so can't be trusted. Remember, they're "entertainment" not news, and not viewed as serious and reliable journalists.

But hey, I'm open to admitting fraud on the side of the democrats...with proof. Instead of whining about how unfair and mean we're all being for not taking this report by a "conservative watchdog group" as valid and true just because they say it is, why don't you give us the facts that prove it is true? I'm still waiting. Who were these felons, what proof is there that they were felons and couldn't vote and who did they vote for?

 

[3113]

Of course, it's impossible to know who the illegal voters voted for.

Hm. So Franken could also insist that Coleman won by a larger margin then he did because a bunch of felons voted for him? I think I'll start that thread right now....

How does this sound: Felons gave Coleman a fraudulently larger margin of votes in the 2008 election...at least 341 convicted felons...in Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman. As felons typically vote republican, it's likely that the margin by which Franken won was even larger than previously supposed.

 

[DesertPirate]

Now take all the voter fraud nation wide by the inelligibles that ACORN registered and Obama won by felon votes too!

After all, being from Chicago he is used to a high turnout by the dead.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Hm. So Franken could also insist that Coleman won by a larger margin then he did because a bunch of felons voted for him? I think I'll start that thread right now....

How does this sound: Felons gave Coleman a fraudulently larger margin of votes in the 2008 election...at least 341 convicted felons...in Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman. As felons typically vote republican, it's likely that the margin by which Franken won was even larger than previously supposed.

I don't know about the felons who were the subject OP, but it's pretty much a certainty that the fraudulent voters that ACORN managed to get through were Dems. http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/61519432.html?elr=KArksDyycyUtyycyUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

ETA: Here is some detail about the MN Secretary of State and his lack of integrity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ritchie

 

[Boxlicker101]

So, maybe they all voted for Coleman and otherwise Franken would have won by 653. Details are needed.

Details like the President of Diebold "guaranteeing" GWB would win Ohio. And then amid huge evidence of substantial voter fraud, in Bush's favor, he won Ohio.

Voter fraud, either way, should be punished, but I can't see where anyone would think the Republicans were cleaner than the Democrats when it comes to cheating.

I think of Dems as being more crooked than Reps because the Dems control the big city machines, which are notoriously dishonest. Think about Chicago, and that's just one of many. In all honesty, if the Reps had the opportunities, they would be just as crooked.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

To be eligible to vote in Minn. you need to be:

* at least 18-years-old on Election Day
* a citizen of the United States
* have resided in Minnesota for 20 days immediately preceding Election Day
* have any felony conviction record discharged, expired, or completed
* not under court-ordered guardianship where a court has revoked your voting rights
* not been ruled legally incompetent by a court of law

What criteria did this "conservative [oh, there's an unbias "watchdog" group] watchdog group" do to determine that these voters were ineligible?

Please answer Zeb. Otherwise, you're repeating propaganda rather than news. For example, were these "felons" perhaps ex-felons that had their conviction records discharged? And how does the watchdog group know they all voted for Franken? And why didn't Coleman find this out in all the months that this election battle was in court?

Once again. I'd like these questions answered with some good, checkable facts. Otherwise, you're repeating slander. And that's not something you ought to be doing. Unless, of course, you want me to just toss back at you what everyone tossed at those who complained about President Bush's stolen election of 2000--"Get over it."

It's in the news story...all you have to do is read it by clicking on the link...you want an answer read is all you had to do. You're just like my trolls, they blurt out comments left and right and don't even bother to read the story.

As for Bush...get over it yourself. It's past as is Franken. I'm just pointing out the new story.

ETA: For 3's edification...

"What we did this time is irrefutable," McGrath said. "We took the voting lists and matched them with conviction lists and then went back to the records and found the roster lists, where voters sign in before walking to the voting booth, and matched them by hand.

"The only way we can be wrong is if someone with the same first, middle and last names, same year of birth as the felon, and living in the same community, has voted. And that isn't very likely."

McGrath says the report shows that more still has to be done.

"Prosecutors have to act more swiftly in prosecuting cases from the 2008 election to deter fraud in the future," he said, "and the state has to make sure that existing system, that flags convicted felons so voting officials can challenge them at the ballot, is effective. In 90 percent of the cases we looked at, the felons weren't flagged."

"If the state had done that," he said, "things might be very different today."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Not counting votes is what the FL Supreme Court tried to do in 2000. If they had their way, the voters in that state would have been disenfranchised in the presidential election, because the electors would not have been able to cast their votes. SCOTUS overruled their decision.

However, as you said in your next post, "Get over it."

Gore was the fool who insisted on limiting the re-count to 4 counties. Had the FL Supremes ordered re-counts in all counties Gore might be President.

 

[Liar]

I find it amusing that because this was a 'conservative' group that uncovered this bit of chicanery and it was reported on Fox News the usual whiners dismiss it out of hand.

I suppose if this report came out on a Republican in the 'New York Times' and on CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/ CNN and NPR it would be taken as the gospel.

So what you're saying is that it's being taken as gospel by the right now, and would be taken as gospel by the left if the shoe had been on the other foot.

Well, the shoe is NOT on the other foot. So it's up to the right to not take it as gospel.

If I read that article right, the group deliberately targeted a predominantly Democrat leaning district in search for fraudulent votes. Gee whiz I wonder why.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Until they can tell us exactly who the "felons" voted for, it's all so much conjecture, as usual.

Conjecture is as good as facts for the Zeb and TE.....who needs facts when you're gettin' all yore info from the FOX Channel?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cloudy
Until they can tell us exactly who the "felons" voted for, it's all so much conjecture, as usual.

Conjecture is as good as facts for the Zeb and TE.....who needs facts when you're gettin' all yore info from the FOX Channel?

The felons who are the subject of the OP were a rather small group, and we can't tell who they voted for. However, the voters who were fraudulently registered by ACORN were mostly Dems, and those who got through the weeding-out process would vote for Dems. The Secretary of State is supposed to prevent this kind of fraud but, if you look at the link I posted, you'll see he is beholden to ACORN and used his position to help his party.

That's why I think the election was tainted - because of the fraud committed by ACORN with the help of their buddy in office.