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Fyodor Dostoevsky Winter Notes on Summer Impressions 1862 during his first trip to France

..."What? What do you mean policemen?" I (FD) asked, astonished.

"Just that...I noticed right away you didn't realize." (Swiss traveler)

"And...they are actually spies?" (I still refused to believe it.) (FD)

"Why, of course; they got on because of us." (Swiss)

"You know this for certain?" (FD)

"Oh, there's no doubt about it! I've been through here several times before. We were pointed out to them back in customs when our passports were being read; they were given our names and so on. So they got on to accompany us." (Swiss)

"Yes, but why should they accompany us if they have already seen us? After all, you say we were pointed out to them back at the last station."

"Well, yes, and they were told our names. But that isn't much. Now they have studied us in detail: the face, dress, bags, in a word, everything about the way we look. They took note of your cuff links. You took out your cigarette case, and they noticed your cigarette case, in short, every little detail and peculiarity, every possible peculiarity. You could lose yourself in Paris; you could change your name (that is, if you were a suspicious character). Well, all of those details can be of help in tracking you down. It's all being telegraphed to Paris this very minute from that station. There it will be kept for any situation that might arise. Not only that, the hotel proprietors must report all the details about foreigners, also down to the slightest trifle."

"But why were there so many of them? After all, there were four of them," I continued to ask, still a little perplexed.

"Oh, there are a lot of them here. This time there were probably only a few foreigners; if there had been more, they would have spread out through the train car."

"Pardon me, but they didn't do so much as look at us. They were looking out the windows."

"Oh don't worry, they examined everything...They got on just for us."

"Well, well," I thought, "so this is how 'the Frenchman has no common sense'" And (I am ashamed to admit it) I squinted at the Swiss man rather distrustfully. "Perhaps you too, brother, know nothing about this but are only pretending," flashed through my head, but only for an instant, I assure you. It was absurd, but what are you going to do? Thoughts come involuntarily...

The Swiss did not deceive me. At the hotel where I was staying they immediately noted all ofmy most minute features and reported them to the proper authorities.Judging from the precision and detail with which they examine you and describe your features, you might conclude your entire subsequent life in the hotel, so to speak, your every step would be scrupulously observed and counted...
 
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So, nothing much has changed...

The anti-spooks in Paris rutinely search hotel rooms of ''businessmen''. It's legal there.
 
Are you suggesting America should have listened to France when they warned us about Moussaui? How about in the summer of 2001 when they gave the USA specific intelligent reports about al qaeda's intent to hijack airliners? It would almost seem like you're saying France has been and could continue to be a valuable ally in the war on terrorism, especially since they unashamedly spy on foreigners and citizens alike.

That's worse than nonsense, in these parts it's treason.
 
You'd think someone in DC/VA would respect the validity of French intelligence reports. I came to that conclusion a while ago--by reading a god-damned 74page journal and a novel widely considered to be one of history's top 5 (les miserables). They were published in 1862/1863. No super-secret international spy training school or access to top-secret-code-red accordion files, dum-asses.
 
Not from my desktop was this written, I don't know the author - little harsh but...

Today it was reported that severe earthquakes have occurred in 10 different locations in France. The severity was measured in excess of 10 on the Richter Scale.

The cause was the 56,681 dead American soldiers buried in French soil rolling over in their graves. According to the American Battle Monuments Commission there are 26,255 Yankee dead from World War I buried in 4 cemeteries in France. There are 30,426 American dead from World War II buried in 6 cemeteries in France.

These 56,681 brave American heroes died in
their youth to liberate a country which is guilty of shameful unspeakable behavior in the 21st century. May the United States of America never forget their sacrifice as we find ways to forcefully deal with the Godforsaken unappreciative, forgetful country of France!

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Gonna shoot me again CV?
 
Go back to school and read the history of American indipendence.
 
ChilledVodka said:
Go back to school and read the history of American indipendence.

Well, jeez? What happened?

Used to be good buddies eh?

And don't you think that after 220 odd years, that history just isn't too pertinent?

Still plenty of people alive today that know exactly what it felt like to have buddies and lovers die there.

I'm in school every day my dear CV. Just not in a classroom.
 
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