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cheerful_deviant

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Once again, speical interest groups and big buisness prove who really runs this country.

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Senate votes to open arctic refuge to oil drilling
GOP backers evaded filibuster threat by adding plan to budget

BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
Updated: 2:09 p.m. ET March 16, 2005


WASHINGTON - Amid the backdrop of soaring oil and gasoline prices, a sharply divided Senate on Wednesday voted to open the ecologically rich Alaska wildlife refuge to oil drilling, delivering a major energy policy win for President Bush.

The Senate, by a 51-49 vote, rejected an attempt by Democrats and GOP moderates to remove a refuge drilling provision from next year’s budget, preventing opponents from using a filibuster — a tactic that has blocked repeated past attempts to open the Alaska refuge to oil companies.

Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who for more than two decades has been unable to persuade Congress to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil companies, had earlier said he was optimistic this time.

“We believe we have the votes,” Stevens said at a news conference Tuesday. Alaska officials view the refuge’s oil as replacing dwindling shipments from the aging Prudhoe Bay fields on the North Slope.


Seeking to sidestep a Democratic filibuster that would require 60 votes to overcome, Republican leaders put the Alaska refuge provision into a budget document that is immune to a filibuster under Senate rules. Opponents had hoped to garner the 51 votes needed to strip the provision from the budget.

During several hours of Senate debate Tuesday, Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said that even at peak production the refuge would account for less than 2.5 percent of U.S. oil needs. “How in the world can this be the centerpiece of our energy policy?” asked Durbin, arguing that more conservation and more fuel efficient automobiles would save more oil than the Alaska refuge would produce.

Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., a staunch supporter of drilling, said the refuge’s oil represents “the most significant onshore production capacity” in the country. “We should do everything we can to produce as much as we can,” he said, citing the country’s growing dependence on oil imports.

‘Fragile environment’
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, rejected claims that oil rigs and pipelines would ruin a national environmental treasure, as critics charge. “We know we’ve got to do it right. ... It’s a fragile environment,” said Murkowski, adding that oil companies in Alaska are subject to the most stringent environmental requirements in the world.

Democrats complained that an issue as divisive as opening a pristine area of wild land, specifically protected by Congress from development, should be debated independently and not as part of the budget process.

“They want to sneak this into the budget,” said Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash.

Drilling supporters have tried for years to allow oil companies access to what is believed to be billions of barrels of oil beneath the refuge’s 1.5-million acre coastal plain.

President Bush has made access to the refuge’s oil a key part of his energy agenda. Last week, Bush declared that 10 billion barrels of oil could be pumped from the refuge and that it could be done “with almost no impact on land or wildlife.”

Environmentalists argue that while new technologies have reduced the drilling footprint, ANWR’s coastal plain still would contain a spider web of pipelines that would disrupt calving caribou and disturb polar bears, musk oxen and the annual influx of millions of migratory birds.

‘No effect’
Developing the oil “is going to have no effect in the long-term on America’s energy future,” Kerry told reporters. Even if the refuge were to supply 1 million barrels of oil a day, at its peak expected production, the United States would remain heavily dependent on foreign oil unless there were serious efforts to reduce consumption, he said.

How much oil would be economically recoverable from the refuge is still unclear.

Only one exploratory well has been drilled, and the results have been kept secret. The U.S. Geological Survey, using seismic studies, estimated in 1998 that between 5.6 billion to 16 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil is likely to be beneath the refuge’s tundra.

But how much of that oil would be attractive to oil companies would depend on the price of oil. In recent years a number of major oil companies have stopped lobbying for opening ANWR, focusing their activities elsewhere in the world.

Interior Secretary Gale Norton said she has no doubt that oil companies would seek out exploratory leases in the Alaska refuge. If given a go-ahead from Congress, she said, she would expect to begin offering leases in 2007 with refuge oil beginning to flow down the Alaska pipeline “seven or 10 years after that.”

Last week, the House refused to include an ANWR provision in its budget document, although any differences between the Senate and House versions would likely be resolved in negotiations.

The House has repeatedly passed measures over the years to allow drilling in ANWR only to see the legislation stalled in the Senate.
 
cheerful_deviant said:
Once again, speical interest groups and big buisness prove who really runs this country.

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Senate votes to open arctic refuge to oil drilling
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Hands up anyone who didn't see this coming.
 
As someone who works in the oil fields of Texas, Let me tell you that drilling wilderness lands is not as destructive as some want you to believe. No, I don't work for an oil company, I'm what is called a service contractor. i do on site geology while they drill wells...

The Railroad Commission controls drilling here as well as inspections. they are tough and in full control. Any kind of pollution is not tolerated. Not even a leak from a motor on the rig. Earth pits are coming to be a thing of the past. Almost all major drilling is with a closed system.

I live between three major National Forests and have drilled in all of them. The roads and pipelines have opened up areas that before only 4 wheelers, 4 wheel drives, or backpacking could reach. Now, new public parks and campsites are available in these areas. this has relieved major crowding on the existing parks.

I haven't checked to see how Alaska regulates their oil industry but I have a feeling it is just as tough as it is here. If not then they need to make it so.
 
TxRad said:
As someone who works in the oil fields of Texas, Let me tell you that drilling wilderness lands is not as destructive as some want you to believe. No, I don't work for an oil company, I'm what is called a service contractor. i do on site geology while they drill wells...

The Railroad Commission controls drilling here as well as inspections. they are tough and in full control. Any kind of pollution is not tolerated. Not even a leak from a motor on the rig. Earth pits are coming to be a thing of the past. Almost all major drilling is with a closed system.

I live between three major National Forests and have drilled in all of them. The roads and pipelines have opened up areas that before only 4 wheelers, 4 wheel drives, or backpacking could reach. Now, new public parks and campsites are available in these areas. this has relieved major crowding on the existing parks.

I haven't checked to see how Alaska regulates their oil industry but I have a feeling it is just as tough as it is here. If not then they need to make it so.

The drilling operation may be better and more environmentally sound than ever but that's not the whole point. These areas are some of the last truly pristine areas in the USA. There are no roads, no rails, nothing. Setting up an oil drilling rig out there will detract form the landscape just by it's very presence. Then the addition of roads, rails, pipelines etc. further detracts from the unspoiled landscape.

As a hiker and backpacker I have hiked through areas where lumber companies cut out vast swaths of timber. The vast open areas, logging roads and discarded trees are not pretty and detract for the landscape. The scars that man leaves in those areas take decades to heal.

In the tundra, scars that man makes heal even more slowly. Some of the mosses and lichens that live there growth is measure in millimeters per decade. The tracks of a single truck driving through the moss can last for a hundred years or more. It is an incrediblly fragile ecosystem that is very delicate. Just out presence is a danger to it.

THe national wilderness areas were created specifically to perserve the unspoiled wilderness, untouched by man. Now once again, the US government has sold out to buisness and given away something that once gone, can never be reclaimed.
 
cheerful_deviant said:
THe national wilderness areas were created specifically to perserve the unspoiled wilderness, untouched by man. Now once again, the US government has sold out to business and given away something that once gone, can never be reclaimed.

c_d, I agree with everything you said, what bothers me about drilling in Alaska is the potential for habit destruction but also the need to keep oil prices high to allow the resources to be profitably exploited.

With oil at 35$ a barrel, developing Alaska was marginal, at 50$ a barrel it's viable. A new bench mark for oil prices has been set, now it has to be maintained, belicose noises in the direction of the Middle East might do the trick - what do you think? Who can be threatened?
 
neonlyte said:
c_d, I agree with everything you said, what bothers me about drilling in Alaska is the potential for habit destruction but also the need to keep oil prices high to allow the resources to be profitably exploited.

With oil at 35$ a barrel, developing Alaska was marginal, at 50$ a barrel it's viable. A new bench mark for oil prices has been set, now it has to be maintained, belicose noises in the direction of the Middle East might do the trick - what do you think? Who can be threatened?

Even at 50 a barrel, it's still very damn marginal which is why several oil producers have dropped their interest in that area (for now at least). But the idiocy is in how little will ever be extracted from that area. 2% of the US oil demand? What's the point? It's certainly not going to lower oil prices any. It's not going to increase the national oil reserves. So clearly this is a measure designed to cater to american oil companies.
 
Oil was over $50 a barrel in the mid 80's for a while.... And the middle east is not the reason for $50 a barrel oil now.

$35 a barrel is not the break even point on oil drilling... right now it's around 22 dollars a barrel....
 
TxRad said:
Oil was over $50 a barrel in the mid 80's for a while.... And the middle east is not the reason for $50 a barrel oil now.

$35 a barrel is not the break even point on oil drilling... right now it's around 22 dollars a barrel....

You are probablly correct, I don't keep track of the price, I was just going off what Neon said and didn't check for myself. My bad.

But I find it interesting that you say that the Middle East is not the reason for higher oil prices when the pirce goes up every time someone sneezes in Iraq. When the war started over there the price of unleaded shot from 1.60 a gallon to 2.00 a gallon in a matter of what seemed like a few days and hasn't come back down yet.

The USA's rediculous appetite ofr fuel certainly has alot to do with price, but I refuse to believe that the situation in the Middle East has nothing to do with it.
 
TxRad said:
Oil was over $50 a barrel in the mid 80's for a while.... And the middle east is not the reason for $50 a barrel oil now.

$35 a barrel is not the break even point on oil drilling... right now it's around 22 dollars a barrel....

Apologies - bad definitions on my part. I was basing my figures on an article in the Independent (UK newspaper) which stated the median of 50$ per barrel would enable oil companies to dust off production plans for reserves costing 35$ per barrel to exploit, in other words, a higher median price opens more expensive reserves.

Not convinced about Middle East though, don't really believe in coincidences. ;)

Just been looking at some old mid 90's studies of Alaska predicting a 2004 adjusted per barrel price (at refinery) of 15$. :D
 
One of the 'new technologies' used to 'reduce the ecological footprint' it to change exactly what is measured.

And what exactly is measured is only those parts of the oil infrastructure that actually touch the ground.

So, a pipeline stretching for miles across the tundra only 'affects' where the pylons holding it up are on the ground.

If I measured how I used my room the same way, most of it would be unused by this method. Only where my furniture touches the floor would be considered used.

It's an old technocratic trick. If you change the way something is measured, you change reality. Or so the thinking goes.
 
Yeah today is ending on some of the worst notes I had in a while.

Forgive me while I weep into my pint of chocolate Ben and Jerry's.
Jesus.....I hate that man.
 
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