For the goat lovers

[WriterDom]

Not saying I agree with this. I'm a proud member of PETA. People who Eat Tasty Animals. Kill em and Grill em.




The Army is using goats at Fort Carson and at other bases, in order to train Army medics.



The goats are wounded, then, after the medics practice treating them, they are killed. In some cases, they may be driven off cliffs as a way of wounding them. Although wounding the goats is done under anesthesia, as we can all imagine, being in this terrible situation causes a great deal of fear and pain (as well as the loss of their lives) to the innocent goats.



Posing a choice between causing suffering to goats and causing suffering to humans is an entirely false choice. There are available excellent and more effective means of training medics—which do not harm any innocent animals or
anyone else.



There is a sample letter below; you may use this or write one in your own words. If you’d like to send us a copy, that would be great!



Please feel free also to pass this on to other individuals or organizations or to write a letter (your own letter) to the editor of your newspaper.



Contact information for Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is given below.



Thank you very much for helping the goats by writing or calling on their
behalf!



Contact Information:



Donald H. Rumsfeld

Secretary of Defense

1000 Defense Pentagon

Washington, DC 20301-1000



1 (703) 428-0711



http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/comment.html

Go to “Ask a Question”, type or copy your letter into the e-mail form
provided.

You may also read the information they provide by going to #3 Army’s Use of
Goats for Medic Training.



Sample letter:



Dear Secretary Rumsfeld,



I am writing to you to ask you to halt immediately all use of goats or any
other animals in the training of Army medical personnel.



I understand that, at Fort Carson, goats are being injured in order to
simulate battlefield injuries, as part of the training of Army medics, and
that goats are also used for similar purposes at other bases.



As you know there has been public opposition to this use of animals by the
Army for several decades.



Certainly, I support our troops, as do all Americans. However, I do not
feel that causing fear, injury and death to innocent animals will be, in any
way, helpful to American troops.



Increasing the sum total of pain and suffering in the world will not lead to
a decrease in human pain and suffering.



The assumption that one must choose between causing suffering to animals and
causing suffering to humans is a false and incorrect choice. There is
entirely enough suffering already in the world, and there are certainly
enough wounded without the need to create more, whether animals or humans.



On a practical level, it would be much more effective for medics to receive additional training observing the actual treatment of the wounded in a hospital setting, as well as training with existing computer programs, such as the TraumaMan System, that can simulate wounds to the human body.



Such training is already being given, and it is therefore entirely untrue to
state that unless animals are wounded, medics will have no experience with
wounds until they are on the battlefield.



I ask you to completely and immediately, halt all use of animals in training
Army medics. Thank you very much for considering this.



Sincerely,

Your Name



Troy Lea
Network Coordinator
Best Friends Animal Society
5001 Angel Canyon Road
Kanab, Utah 84741
435-644-2001 ext.123
troy@bestfriends.org
www.bestfriends.org

 

[PyroDemon]

I am a hunter, I kill animals for food. I admit it. But this is pure and outright cruelty. There are many more efficient ways of teaching the medical community than cadavors and animal experimentation. This is barbaric and must be stopped. Animal cruelty is one of my pet peeves, I am one of those that believes that as the dominant species on the planet it is our job to take care of it's inhabitants, not to use them for medical experiments. I will pass this info on to a group I am asociated with.

 

[Raeth]

I was in the army medic program, and our instructors told us about some of the procedures they had to learn using goats in their advanced training.

They don't use goats for initial medic traing, but I know they use them to practice draining internal bleeding from around the heart and other more specialized procedures that medics learn later on in their careers.

Definately seems like there would be a better way.

 

[InnerDarkness]

I honestly was expecting a link to the infamous Goat Sex website when I first saw the title of this...

funny thing is...that site seems to not exist anymore

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'm more morally distressed about Afghanistan villagers getting blown up with FAE's because they lived too close to the Taliban base. Bet they got a fuckload of goats in those airstrikes too.

 

[navarre]

Thought I'd contribute to this fine thread

Curried Goat

1 cup curry powder
3 large sprigs thyme
3 scotch bonnet peppers, finely chopped
2 onions, diced
1 bunch scallions, diced
Salt and freshly ground black pepper
4 pounds goat meat, bone in (lamb meat may be substituted)
1/2 cup chopped fresh garlic
1 carrot, diced
2 tomatoes, diced
1 pound potatoes, diced
1/2 cup chopped ginger
3 quarts chicken stock


To make the marinade, combine the curry, thyme, scotch bonnets, onions, scallions, salt, and pepper. Marinate the goat meat overnight.
Remove the goat meat from the marinade. Reserve leftover marinade.

In a hot braising pan, brown the goat meat and garlic. Add carrots, tomatoes, potatoes, ginger, and reserved marinade. Add stock and stew for approximately 1 hour until meat is tender or about to fall off the bone.

 

[FungiUg]

Goats and humans are widely acknowledged as the two largest walking ecological disasters in history.

 

[canadiancutie]

They should wound people and leave the goats alone, there's more than enough stupid people in the world. I certainly know a few I would be less than upset about if someone were to perform unecessary heart surgery on them

 

[Netzach]

I'm more morally distressed about Afghanistan villagers getting blown up with FAE's because they lived too close to the Taliban base. Bet they got a fuckload of goats in those airstrikes too.

What he said.

 

[Netzach]

Re: Thought I'd contribute to this fine thread

Curried Goat

1 cup curry powder
3 large sprigs thyme
3 scotch bonnet peppers, finely chopped
2 onions, diced
1 bunch scallions, diced
Salt and freshly ground black pepper
4 pounds goat meat, bone in (lamb meat may be substituted)
1/2 cup chopped fresh garlic
1 carrot, diced
2 tomatoes, diced
1 pound potatoes, diced
1/2 cup chopped ginger
3 quarts chicken stock


To make the marinade, combine the curry, thyme, scotch bonnets, onions, scallions, salt, and pepper. Marinate the goat meat overnight.
Remove the goat meat from the marinade. Reserve leftover marinade.

In a hot braising pan, brown the goat meat and garlic. Add carrots, tomatoes, potatoes, ginger, and reserved marinade. Add stock and stew for approximately 1 hour until meat is tender or about to fall off the bone.

And that is some goooooood shit!