For teachers: Sometimes Vindication re Sex Charges

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Two recent cases which are unusual in their outcomes; i think perhaps justice was served, unlike a dozen other cases that might be mentioned.

What say you?

http://www.thestar.com/article/280538

Teacher not guilty of sex assault charges

Jury acquits defendant of all counts, but his lawyer says he may never return to teaching

Nov 28, 2007 04:30 AM
PETER SMALL
COURTS BUREAU

A teacher found not guilty of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old student is so traumatized by the false allegations that he may never set foot in a classroom again, said his defence lawyer yesterday.

A jury acquitted veteran francophone elementary school teacher Paul Senecal, 49, on Monday night of all eight counts with which he had been charged.

He and his family have been "scarred for life" by the case, said his lawyer Aitan Lerner.

After a 23-year career as a dedicated teacher, Senecal was suspended from his teaching job without pay, court was told.
The jury was shown a 2005 videotaped statement by the girl, then 13, claiming Senecal sexually assaulted her on four occasions in May and June of 2005.

But in a previous statement, also shown in court, the student only mentioned one incident.

The father of five was charged with four counts of sex assault and four of sexual interference involving the Grade 7 student at the francophone École élémentaire Félix-Leclerc, near Kipling Ave. and Dixon Rd.
Crown prosecutor Robert Kenny said yesterday the case was one person's word against the other. The jury paid close attention to the evidence, he said.

The complainant, who is now 15 and cannot be named, admitted she once had a crush on Senecal and left a message on his phone saying she loved him.

Senecal's wife phoned the student to tell her the message was not appropriate, court was told.

The embarrassed girl dreaded facing the teacher again the following fall, the defence argued.
So she decided to lodge a sexual complaint to make sure he would have to leave the school, Lerner suggested.

She told police that in June 2005 Senecal touched her breasts over her bra after he followed her into a classroom during a Saturday music practice.
But after seeing an Oprah TV show detailing a sexual assault of a young person by a trusted adult, she adopted that story line to expand the number of alleged incidents.

She related these additional incidents in a second statement to police in September 2005, Lerner said.

An emotional Senecal adamantly denied her charges. "None of this happened," he testified.

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HTTP://WWW.THESTAR.COM/ARTICLE/279469


EXPLOITATION CASE
Charge dropped against teacher accused of affair



Allegation hinged on age of student; teacher, 35, at home with their baby
Nov 24, 2007 04:30 AM

BETSY POWELL
CRIME REPORTER

Paola Queen and her young lover were returning home from a child-birthing class last March when Toronto police stopped them.
The officers explained they were investigating a tip that the 35-year-old was conducting a sexual affair with a student at the west-end high school where Queen taught family studies as a full-time teacher.

One look at Queen confirmed another detail: she was obviously pregnant.
Queen was arrested and charged with one count of sexual exploitation. Yesterday, in sharp contrast to the blaze of publicity surrounding her arrest, a Crown attorney quietly withdrew the charge in a Finch Ave. W. courtroom.

Queen was not in court. Instead she was at home with her "beautiful baby daughter" born this past summer, her lawyer, Howard Rubel, said after appearing briefly in court.

"Everyone involved is operating as a family unit and relieved they have put this behind them," he said. Queen has a strong relationship with the baby's father, said Rubel, adding the young man is taking responsibility for the child.

Both sets of grandparents support the couple.

Rubel declined to go into details about the case except to say police "jumped the gun" by laying the charge without all the facts.
"There was no exploitation," he said. And the suggestion the baby's father was victimized, as police had alleged, is totally false, Rubel said.
Crown attorney Kene Canton told provincial court the decision to drop the charge was made after it was determined they did not have any "reasonable prospect of conviction." Canton declined further comment yesterday.

Under the Criminal Code, no one in a position of trust or authority is allowed to have a sexual relationship with anyone under age 18.
But police laid the charge before obtaining proof the student was under 18 when his relationship with Queen became sexual. He was born outside Canada and, because of Queen's abrupt arrest, decided not to talk to police, according to a source. If there had been a trial, the Crown would likely have needed his testimony to prove its case.

When police executed search warrants last winter, they found photographs showing the pair with other family members.
They seized several items, including computers and cell phones, but none listed his date of birth. His exact age is still unclear and immigration officials couldn't help, the source said.

Nor did the Crown believe it could prove exactly when the two began their relationship, although police last March said it began not long after Queen started teaching at the school in September 2005.

At the time of her arrest, the teenager had stopped attending Nelson A. Boylen Collegiate Institute, on Falstaff Ave., near Jane St. and Highway 401, and was living with Queen. Her students knew she was pregnant.
Rubel said Queen "committed no illegal offence whatsoever," and that she and family members have been "quite obviously upset by the public ordeal."

Supt. Roy Pilkington, who runs 31 Division and attended a press conference where police gave details of the arrest, could not be reached for comment.

Queen, a former child protection worker with Toronto's Catholic Children's Aid Society, remains on "home assignment" from the school board, meaning she's not working but still receiving pay.

She obtained a bachelor's degree in education from the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the University of Toronto in June 2005.

According to the Ontario College of Teachers, her qualifications are family studies, individual and society, and visual arts.
She also has two undergraduate degrees – in arts and social work – from York University, dating back to 1995.

The Toronto District School Board has had plans to conduct its own investigation once the criminal case is concluded, a board spokesperson said. The board forbids any employee from having sexual relations with a student.

Rubel said it's uncertain if his client will return to the classroom.
"Right now she's focusing on taking care of her baby daughter. That's her first priority," he said, adding, "it's been hellish for all involved."
 
justice

In the first case it is one word against another, a scary situation for the charged party. The one thing that really bothers me is how his name is tarnished if he is innocent. Justice moves slowly, court dates are measured in months and this man and his family must have been living in turmoil. One thing that may help a little if there was a publication ban on his name until he was proven guilty. As for the young girl the police should explain to her and her family she could be charged with perjury and might face a lawsuit.
The second case bothers me. What the heck is an adult going after someone half her age? Just because he might be eighteen doesn't mean he is making an adult decision. And his family supports their relationship? This is just plain wrong even if a law wasn't broken.
 
And that first case is the reason why neither alleged victim *or* perpetrator of sexual abuse should be named until the jury convicts. Imagine the kind of personal attacks that man must have suffered whilst waiting to be acquitted - also this kind of mud really sticks. "No smoke without fire" says everyone and shuns him. In fact, I'd that a *wrongful* allegation of sexual abuse against a man makes him almost as much a victim as real victims of sexual abuse.
Not to mention crying wolf puts real sexual abuse victims in an even more difficult position, because they are less likely to be believed. The girl who brought the charges ought to be punished.
 
Macro7 said:
In the first case it is one word against another, a scary situation for the charged party. The one thing that really bothers me is how his name is tarnished if he is innocent. Justice moves slowly, court dates are measured in months and this man and his family must have been living in turmoil. One thing that may help a little if there was a publication ban on his name until he was proven guilty. As for the young girl the police should explain to her and her family she could be charged with perjury and might face a lawsuit.
The second case bothers me. What the heck is an adult going after someone half her age? Just because he might be eighteen doesn't mean he is making an adult decision. And his family supports their relationship? This is just plain wrong even if a law wasn't broken.

Darn - you beat me to it! :D
 
In the first case, I hope the teacher brings a huge lawsuit against thsat rotten little lying bitch. Just because she is young should not mean she should get away with it. Let the world know what kind of evil person she is.

As for such a lawsuit damaging her life? Well, hell, that's what she tried to do to somebody else.
 
note to macro 7

one word against another

it's worth mentioning that, contrary to popular belief, "one person's word against another's" does NOT mean there can be no prosecution or conviction. one person's "word" HAS convicted. judges and juries are free to decide whom to believe, based on such factors as consistency, plausibility, etc (or skin color).

the present, first case, Mr. Senecal, simply shows an example where the outcome appears just, and the man's word was believed: the girl's 'word' did not pass some obvious tests (though all of the factors cited, e.g. broadening the accusations, can conceivably be the result of other causes than intent to fabricate).
 
Macro7 said:
In the first case it is one word against another, a scary situation for the charged party. The one thing that really bothers me is how his name is tarnished if he is innocent. Justice moves slowly, court dates are measured in months and this man and his family must have been living in turmoil. One thing that may help a little if there was a publication ban on his name until he was proven guilty. As for the young girl the police should explain to her and her family she could be charged with perjury and might face a lawsuit.
The second case bothers me. What the heck is an adult going after someone half her age? Just because he might be eighteen doesn't mean he is making an adult decision. And his family supports their relationship? This is just plain wrong even if a law wasn't broken.
I can wholeheartedly agree with you on the first item, on the second-- You are welcome to be bothered by it, but I am very happy that your opinions won't matter to this couple.
 
Stella_Omega said:
I can wholeheartedly agree with you on the first item, on the second-- You are welcome to be bothered by it, but I am very happy that your opinions won't matter to this couple.

Thank you sweetheart, you beat me to it that time. :kiss:

Auntie Mat - she who wooed and married a woman younger than her eldest son....approximately half my age.

:rolleyes:
 
Pure said:
one word against another

it's worth mentioning that, contrary to popular belief, "one person's word against another's" does NOT mean there can be no prosecution or conviction. one person's "word" HAS convicted. judges and juries are free to decide whom to believe, based on such factors as consistency, plausibility, etc (or skin color).

the present, first case, Mr. Senecal, simply shows an example where the outcome appears just, and the man's word was believed: the girl's 'word' did not pass some obvious tests (though all of the factors cited, e.g. broadening the accusations, can conceivably be the result of other causes than intent to fabricate).

This is an unusual case, in that it was a matter of "he says-she says" and HE was believed. Usually, the female is believed, although there are many instances where this is not so.
 
age difference

It's not that he was far younger, just that he may not even was adult. It's pretty easy for someone to take advantage of a someone half their age. I was told of a formula long ago: Take your age, devide it by two and then add seven. That's the yougest age you should consider as a partner. In this case the woman age of 35 it would be 24.4 yrs old. I still say there's something wrong for the grandparents/ parents of the boy to support this relationship.
 
Macro7 said:
In the first case it is one word against another, a scary situation for the charged party. The one thing that really bothers me is how his name is tarnished if he is innocent. Justice moves slowly, court dates are measured in months and this man and his family must have been living in turmoil. One thing that may help a little if there was a publication ban on his name until he was proven guilty. As for the young girl the police should explain to her and her family she could be charged with perjury and might face a lawsuit.
The second case bothers me. What the heck is an adult going after someone half her age? Just because he might be eighteen doesn't mean he is making an adult decision. And his family supports their relationship? This is just plain wrong even if a law wasn't broken.
Grow up. The young man did. Millions his age marry. Just plain wrong? On what earthly ground?
 
I haven't said anything yet, but I will now. In the second case, if this had been a man in his mid-thirties marrying or carrying on with a female half his age, would it even attract anybody's attention.
 
Pure said:
Two recent cases which are unusual in their outcomes; i think perhaps justice was served, unlike a dozen other cases that might be mentioned.

What say you?

http://www.thestar.com/article/280538

Teacher not guilty of sex assault charges

Jury acquits defendant of all counts, but his lawyer says he may never return to teaching

Nov 28, 2007 04:30 AM
PETER SMALL
COURTS BUREAU

A teacher found not guilty of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old student is so traumatized by the false allegations that he may never set foot in a classroom again, said his defence lawyer yesterday.

A jury acquitted veteran francophone elementary school teacher Paul Senecal, 49, on Monday night of all eight counts with which he had been charged.

He and his family have been "scarred for life" by the case, said his lawyer Aitan Lerner.

After a 23-year career as a dedicated teacher, Senecal was suspended from his teaching job without pay, court was told.
The jury was shown a 2005 videotaped statement by the girl, then 13, claiming Senecal sexually assaulted her on four occasions in May and June of 2005.

But in a previous statement, also shown in court, the student only mentioned one incident.

The father of five was charged with four counts of sex assault and four of sexual interference involving the Grade 7 student at the francophone École élémentaire Félix-Leclerc, near Kipling Ave. and Dixon Rd.
Crown prosecutor Robert Kenny said yesterday the case was one person's word against the other. The jury paid close attention to the evidence, he said.

The complainant, who is now 15 and cannot be named, admitted she once had a crush on Senecal and left a message on his phone saying she loved him.

Senecal's wife phoned the student to tell her the message was not appropriate, court was told.

The embarrassed girl dreaded facing the teacher again the following fall, the defence argued.
So she decided to lodge a sexual complaint to make sure he would have to leave the school, Lerner suggested.

She told police that in June 2005 Senecal touched her breasts over her bra after he followed her into a classroom during a Saturday music practice.
But after seeing an Oprah TV show detailing a sexual assault of a young person by a trusted adult, she adopted that story line to expand the number of alleged incidents.

She related these additional incidents in a second statement to police in September 2005, Lerner said.

An emotional Senecal adamantly denied her charges. "None of this happened," he testified.

========

HTTP://WWW.THESTAR.COM/ARTICLE/279469


EXPLOITATION CASE
Charge dropped against teacher accused of affair



Allegation hinged on age of student; teacher, 35, at home with their baby
Nov 24, 2007 04:30 AM

BETSY POWELL
CRIME REPORTER

Paola Queen and her young lover were returning home from a child-birthing class last March when Toronto police stopped them.
The officers explained they were investigating a tip that the 35-year-old was conducting a sexual affair with a student at the west-end high school where Queen taught family studies as a full-time teacher.

One look at Queen confirmed another detail: she was obviously pregnant.
Queen was arrested and charged with one count of sexual exploitation. Yesterday, in sharp contrast to the blaze of publicity surrounding her arrest, a Crown attorney quietly withdrew the charge in a Finch Ave. W. courtroom.

Queen was not in court. Instead she was at home with her "beautiful baby daughter" born this past summer, her lawyer, Howard Rubel, said after appearing briefly in court.

"Everyone involved is operating as a family unit and relieved they have put this behind them," he said. Queen has a strong relationship with the baby's father, said Rubel, adding the young man is taking responsibility for the child.

Both sets of grandparents support the couple.

Rubel declined to go into details about the case except to say police "jumped the gun" by laying the charge without all the facts.
"There was no exploitation," he said. And the suggestion the baby's father was victimized, as police had alleged, is totally false, Rubel said.
Crown attorney Kene Canton told provincial court the decision to drop the charge was made after it was determined they did not have any "reasonable prospect of conviction." Canton declined further comment yesterday.

Under the Criminal Code, no one in a position of trust or authority is allowed to have a sexual relationship with anyone under age 18.
But police laid the charge before obtaining proof the student was under 18 when his relationship with Queen became sexual. He was born outside Canada and, because of Queen's abrupt arrest, decided not to talk to police, according to a source. If there had been a trial, the Crown would likely have needed his testimony to prove its case.

When police executed search warrants last winter, they found photographs showing the pair with other family members.
They seized several items, including computers and cell phones, but none listed his date of birth. His exact age is still unclear and immigration officials couldn't help, the source said.

Nor did the Crown believe it could prove exactly when the two began their relationship, although police last March said it began not long after Queen started teaching at the school in September 2005.

At the time of her arrest, the teenager had stopped attending Nelson A. Boylen Collegiate Institute, on Falstaff Ave., near Jane St. and Highway 401, and was living with Queen. Her students knew she was pregnant.
Rubel said Queen "committed no illegal offence whatsoever," and that she and family members have been "quite obviously upset by the public ordeal."

Supt. Roy Pilkington, who runs 31 Division and attended a press conference where police gave details of the arrest, could not be reached for comment.

Queen, a former child protection worker with Toronto's Catholic Children's Aid Society, remains on "home assignment" from the school board, meaning she's not working but still receiving pay.

She obtained a bachelor's degree in education from the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the University of Toronto in June 2005.

According to the Ontario College of Teachers, her qualifications are family studies, individual and society, and visual arts.
She also has two undergraduate degrees – in arts and social work – from York University, dating back to 1995.

The Toronto District School Board has had plans to conduct its own investigation once the criminal case is concluded, a board spokesperson said. The board forbids any employee from having sexual relations with a student.

Rubel said it's uncertain if his client will return to the classroom.
"Right now she's focusing on taking care of her baby daughter. That's her first priority," he said, adding, "it's been hellish for all involved."
The first case is typical and unfortunate. Kids in NA know so much about the system now that charging a hated teacher with even touching them is common, and automatic discharge and criminal investigation for sex abuse ensues. Its too bad. I knew a really great teacher accused of sexual abuse in high school. She was a great teacher and the charges were eventually bogus. Do you think she ever taught another student? Sad.
 
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Macro7 said:
It's not that he was far younger, just that he may not even was adult. It's pretty easy for someone to take advantage of a someone half their age. I was told of a formula long ago: Take your age, devide it by two and then add seven. That's the yougest age you should consider as a partner. In this case the woman age of 35 it would be 24.4 yrs old. I still say there's something wrong for the grandparents/ parents of the boy to support this relationship.
You're adding 6.9, not 7.
 
cantdog said:
You're adding 6.9, not 7.


You forgot to carry the 2 Cantdog (?)


It sounds like the guy in this case got railroaded, and yes, the allegation can haunt him even after being cleared of those type charges.

Things seem to be getting crazier and crazier in the public schools, the latest incidents get more and more bizarre. Its almost impossible to tell anymore what the hell is going on, for instance:

Is this a teacher or a student?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/LisaDenton/Untitled-8gggg.jpg


:rose:
 
In every single credential class I've taken in the past few years, every teacher has told us never to get ourselves in this situation.

"Never meet with a student alone"

"Never be in a room alone with a student with the door shut"

"Never wear revealing clothes"

Etc.

The father of one of my good friends was a band director in the area and was caught having an affair with an underage student. My master teacher told me about a good friend of his that got caught having an affair with an underage student. My music content teacher told us about a similar situation with one of his former students. Scary.

My chosen grade level is 6-8th grade. Safe right? The first article scares me because the girl was in the 7th grade. I know to be careful and not let myself get caught in a bad situation, but I really don't know what I would do if that situation ever presented itself. I hope it never does.
 
There have been several similar stories in my state in the last couple years - teenage girls making charges against teachers that don't stand up to investigation. In fact, the numbers are about equal between these and indidents where the teacher really did boink the 16 year old.
 
Trombonus said:
In every single credential class I've taken in the past few years, every teacher has told us never to get ourselves in this situation.

"Never meet with a student alone"

"Never be in a room alone with a student with the door shut"

"Never wear revealing clothes"

Etc.

The father of one of my good friends was a band director in the area and was caught having an affair with an underage student. My master teacher told me about a good friend of his that got caught having an affair with an underage student. My music content teacher told us about a similar situation with one of his former students. Scary.

My chosen grade level is 6-8th grade. Safe right? The first article scares me because the girl was in the 7th grade. I know to be careful and not let myself get caught in a bad situation, but I really don't know what I would do if that situation ever presented itself. I hope it never does.

The moment you think a crush is going a little too far you should report it. Reporting all instances is the first step towards defending yourself, and is usually the first step that most people skip over thinking it isn't anything important.
 
I'm so glad my male students hated me too much to have a crush on me.
 
Macro7 said:
It's not that he was far younger, just that he may not even was adult. It's pretty easy for someone to take advantage of a someone half their age. I was told of a formula long ago: Take your age, devide it by two and then add seven. That's the yougest age you should consider as a partner. In this case the woman age of 35 it would be 24.4 yrs old. I still say there's something wrong for the grandparents/ parents of the boy to support this relationship.
Any attempt to reduce human relationships to simplistic arithmetic formulas is doomed from the start.
 
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