For Discussion: Does Trump Plan to Enslave American Workers?

[Tio_Narratore]

Some thoughts for discussion . . .

Immigrants have traditionally been the source of labor for America's lowest paying jobs. Documented and undocumented Mexicans have, in particular, been the backbone of agriculture, meat packing, and housekeeping in the U.S.

The Trump administration has been overtly committed to removing as many of them from the country as possible.

The Trump Admin now wants to limit immigration to wealthy applicants, who, ultimately, will replace native-born owners of business.

Will the result be that native-born American workers will have to take the menial jobs under immigrant tycoons? Will the U.S. then be able to return to its past manufacturing and agricultural greatness by using Americans as a source of cheap labor for foreign investors?

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[KeithD]

I don't think Trump has the vaguest notion what he either is trying to do (other than fill his bank account) or how to go about getting it done.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I don't think Trump has the vaguest notion what he either is trying to do (other than fill his bank account) or how to go about getting it done.

And here we are five years later, and he still doesn't know anything about the economy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Some thoughts for discussion . . .

Immigrants have traditionally been the source of labor for America's lowest paying jobs. Documented and undocumented Mexicans have, in particular, been the backbone of agriculture, meat packing, and housekeeping in the U.S.

The Trump administration has been overtly committed to removing as many of them from the country as possible.

The Trump Admin now wants to limit immigration to wealthy applicants, who, ultimately, will replace native-born owners of business.

Will the result be that native-born American workers will have to take the menial jobs under immigrant tycoons? Will the U.S. then be able to return to its past manufacturing and agricultural greatness by using Americans as a source of cheap labor for foreign investors?

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I don't think that's his plan. I don't think HE'S thought that far into the future. Now the Republican Party as a whole? OF course its their plan.

 

[wizzard426]

Every pasty white young communist feels they are to good for the fields.

Yet, they show up every day

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Every pasty white young communist feels they are to good for the fields.

Yet, they show up every day

That seems as incoherent as Trump himself. Thank goodness you only dislike pasty white young communists. That's a blessing for us old swarthy liberals.

 

[ll74]

Histrionics thread is histrionic

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Some thoughts for discussion . . .

Immigrants have traditionally been the source of labor for America's lowest paying jobs. Documented and undocumented Mexicans have, in particular, been the backbone of agriculture, meat packing, and housekeeping in the U.S.

The Trump administration has been overtly committed to removing as many of them from the country as possible.

The Trump Admin now wants to limit immigration to wealthy applicants, who, ultimately, will replace native-born owners of business.

Will the result be that native-born American workers will have to take the menial jobs under immigrant tycoons? Will the U.S. then be able to return to its past manufacturing and agricultural greatness by using Americans as a source of cheap labor for foreign investors?

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What you're suggesting is a scenario where the capitalist imperial core shrinks just a little bit. Honestly, it'll probably happen no matter who wins.

As for a concerted effort to turn America into even more of a slave state than it is already? I could see elements of either party wanting to do that, but I can't see either of them having the finesse to deliberately pull it off.

 

[Chobham]

Some thoughts for discussion . . .

Immigrants have traditionally been the source of labor for America's lowest paying jobs. Documented and undocumented Mexicans have, in particular, been the backbone of agriculture, meat packing, and housekeeping in the U.S.

The Trump administration has been overtly committed to removing as many of them from the country as possible.

The Trump Admin now wants to limit immigration to wealthy applicants, who, ultimately, will replace native-born owners of business.

Will the result be that native-born American workers will have to take the menial jobs under immigrant tycoons? Will the U.S. then be able to return to its past manufacturing and agricultural greatness by using Americans as a source of cheap labor for foreign investors?

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You start with a bull shit premise and inevitably you end up with a pile of shit.

Let's start with a basic fact, the wealthy that have wanted entry into the US have faced no major obstacles at all. Even during those periods when we basically had immigration shut down.

What Trump has proposed is a merit based point system modeled after Australia's immigration system. This would (ideally) be based on the needs of the nation and would not necessarily preclude manual or farm labor. The one constant would be a thorough vetting of the candidate.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Even during those periods when we basically had immigration shut down.

When was this?

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

When was this?

Literally never.

One of Trump's first pardons was of some Jewish mobster who got busted for bringing in illegals to work in his kosher packing plants.

Also, if you don't want your country to become to India what Batista's Cuba was to America, you really don't want an "Australian-style" (or Canadian-style) merit-based system.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Literally never.

One of Trump's first pardons was of some Jewish mobster who got busted for bringing in illegals to work in his kosher packing plants.

Also, if you don't want your country to become to India what Batista's Cuba was to America, you really don't want an "Australian-style" merit-based system.

There's a reason that one isn't taken seriously.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Every pasty white young communist feels they are to good for the fields.

Yet, they show up every day

What planet do you live on. Forget white, young or communist Americans collectively believe they are too good work in the fields and will go homeless before doing that. Employers will let crops rot in the fields before they pay enough for workers to afford to live.

 

[DeluxAuto]

What planet do you live on. Forget white, young or communist Americans collectively believe they are too good work in the fields and will go homeless before doing that. Employers will let crops rot in the fields before they pay enough for workers to afford to live.

And then we have the farmers who take handouts and still don't payout to employees.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The worst part here is that I'm not really against that mindset in the grand scheme of things. I think we SHOULD be pushing Americans both into higher tech, lower labor jobs but also in general into working fewer hours. It would be wise to help other nations catch up and skp some of the steps that we went through. BUT hey we can always do things the stupid way.

 

[Bray123]

Every pasty white young communist feels they are to good for the fields.

Yet, they show up every day

There's a reason why Hispanics are working the fields, and that's because rednecks feel they are too good for anything more than sitting on their porches chewing tobacco and whining about foreigners.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

There's a reason why Hispanics are working the fields, and that's because rednecks feel they are too good for anything more than sitting on their porches chewing tobacco and whining about foreigners.

You forgot swilling their beer.

 

[Chobham]

When was this?

From 1926 to 1965 or so.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The worst part here is that I'm not really against that mindset in the grand scheme of things. I think we SHOULD be pushing Americans both into higher tech, lower labor jobs but also in general into working fewer hours. It would be wise to help other nations catch up and skp some of the steps that we went through. BUT hey we can always do things the stupid way.

Pissing against the forces of history and technology. People will be replaced as labor.

What do you d with them then?

Terminator?

 

[DeluxAuto]

From 1926 to 1965 or so.

I had a feeling that you'd come back with an assisine answer but I didn't expect this gem.

 

[Chobham]

I had a feeling that you'd come back with an assisine answer but I didn't expect this gem.

Immigration Act.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

There's a reason why Hispanics are working the fields, and that's because rednecks feel they are too good for anything more than sitting on their porches chewing tobacco and whining about foreigners.

I used to hang out with seasonal farm workers quite a bit during the cranberry harvests. Even considered doing myself during college.

Even these days, and even in areas with high migrant populations, the mix between the races is still pretty even. Most of the Whites being the kind of people that "my kind" typically dismiss as rednecks, white trash, swamp yankees, etc.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Immigration Act.

Yes, we understand the racist origins of your comment. It's weird how you lot only invoke the Founding Fathers' Wishes when it suits your narrative.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Yes, we understand the racist origins of your comment. It's weird how you lot only invoke the Founding Fathers' Wishes when it suits your narrative.

Not that the Founding Fuckers would be overly upset with the idea of excluding racial undesirables once the necessary quantity of slave labor has been met...

...they didn't like the "wrong kind" of White people either. Constantly bitching about how the Scots-Irish wanted to run their own little piss-ant farms and wouldn't pick cotton on their plantations for them, like good little peons.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Not that the Founding Fuckers would be overly upset with the idea of excluding racial undesirables once the necessary quantity of slave labor has been met...

Of course they wouldn't. Had they known there would be an endless supply of incoming slave labor they could exploit...