Flunitrazepam: Mind Over Matter? (Authorly)

[sincerely_helene]

I have been having a wild dream lately that I was thinking of recreating in story form, but I'm not sure if it would be found unrealistic or offensive. Here is the scenario:

A gang of bikers hire a stripper to preform at an outdoor party. The female is quite shy and prudeish,-- perhaps even a virgin if I really wanted to stretch it (no pun intended). Classic case of only accepting the job to pay her way through college.

Anyway, in order to lower her inhibitions, she accepts a few drinks before hand, only later to be told that someone has slipped her a generous portian of the date rape drug.

Now, the main character is also not much of a drinker, so it doesn't take her long to get typsy, maybe even typsy enough to believe she actually is under the influence of GHB.

The scene eventually esculates to her spreading her legs in the back of a pick up truck, masturbating in front of several men, allowing herself to be penetrated by bottles and dildos, maybe engaging in the occasional gang bang.

My questions:
Do you think it's possible trick the mind into thinking it's under an influence so powerful?

Would you be offended by this story?

Do you think it would be apt. to place it in the Mind Control section?

 

[minsue]

I'd say n/c over mind control.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Do you think it's possible trick the mind into thinking it's under an influence so powerful?

I once watched a girl pass out at a party from drinking non-alcoholic beer. Expectations can be strange things.

 

[TheEarl]

I actually read a story a long time ago in the Mind Control category. The premise was a Valmont-style bad guy who had legendary seductive powers. After playing cat and mouse with the reluctant heroine for a bit, he slips something into her drink and then informs the heroin that she's lost all her resistance due to this drug. She finds herself acquiescing and doing the most deliciously naughty things with him with the moral absolution that it's no longer under her control.

The twist of course was that he'd put nothing more potent than salt into her drink.

I'd say that yours was a Mind Control one (as presumably the twist will be at the end), although N/C would also be acceptable. I'd be interested to read when you've finished.

The Earl

 

[rgraham666]

I'm having trouble with the concept of a 'shy stripper', especially if she's working.

Known a few who were shy when not working, but not when 'on the job'.

in answer to your questions,

1. Some people believe aliens will come and rescue them from Earth. It would especially work if the woman is highly sexual, although she might be unaware of this.

2. I would be, a bit. But as a story it is quite workable.

3. Nonconsent I think would be more workable. Mind control usually involves a pretty complete change of personality.

 

[TheEarl]

3. Nonconsent I think would be more workable. Mind control usually involves a pretty complete change of personality.

Definitely beg to differ on that!

Bad mind control involves a pretty complete change of personality. Good mind control is about subtle hints and driving someone out of control, making them do things that they wouldn't normally do. Not turning them into a sex-zombie who says "Yes master." That's snuff-fiction - one of the protagonists is dead.

When I read (and write) mind-control, I like both of my characters very much alive. It's just so happens one of them can't appear to control him/herself.

The Earl

 

[User_Name]

I once watched a girl pass out at a party from drinking non-alcoholic beer. Expectations can be strange things.

Ok I know I'm going to get flamed... But back in the 60's & 70's Hippy days we made a bomb selling gravy stock cubes rounded off and wrapped in foil... Boy did those wacko's get stoned on those spliffs... Yep, true, some of them actually thought their way to a high smoking OXO.

 

[sincerely_helene]

I'm having trouble with the concept of a 'shy stripper', especially if she's working.

Known a few who were shy when not working, but not when 'on the job'.

in answer to your questions,

1. Some people believe aliens will come and rescue them from Earth. It would especially work if the woman is highly sexual, although she might be unaware of this.

2. I would be, a bit. But as a story it is quite workable.

3. Nonconsent I think would be more workable. Mind control usually involves a pretty complete change of personality.

Hey, thanks for the input so far, everyone!

Rgraham: What do you think if I made her a bartender? I had considered that, even though in the dream I... I mean "she" was a stripper.

Also, do you think it too unrealistic that she wouldn't have a bodyguard present? I was thinking of working one into the story who turns out to be the leader of the biker gang, but she is not aware of that walking into the situation.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Despite what you might have heard, GHB does not turn anyone into a raging nymphomanic. It knocks you on your ass is all. You pass out.

I once got high smoking some catnip that had been wrapped up to look like grass, but the marijuana high is a very strange and unique thing. As soon as I found out it was catnip I came right down.

I think it's possible for someone to get high on a placebo, but not to the point of changing their personalities. She might, however, get so turned on by the effect she was having on others that there'd be a kind of feedback effect. The more the guys got turned on, the farther she'd go. Having that kind of effect on a person can be very arousing.

 

[neonlyte]

I have been having a wild dream lately that I was thinking of recreating in story form, but I'm not sure if it would be found unrealistic or offensive. Here is the scenario:

A gang of bikers hire a stripper to preform at an outdoor party. The female is quite shy and prudeish,-- perhaps even a virgin if I really wanted to stretch it (no pun intended). Classic case of only accepting the job to pay her way through college.

Anyway, in order to lower her inhibitions, she accepts a few drinks before hand, only later to be told that someone has slipped her a generous portian of the date rape drug.

Now, the main character is also not much of a drinker, so it doesn't take her long to get typsy, maybe even typsy enough to believe she actually is under the influence of GHB.

The scene eventually esculates to her spreading her legs in the back of a pick up truck, masturbating in front of several men, allowing herself to be penetrated by bottles and dildos, maybe engaging in the occasional gang bang.

My questions:
Do you think it's possible trick the mind into thinking it's under an influence so powerful?

Would you be offended by this story?

Do you think it would be apt. to place it in the Mind Control section?

s_helene
The exhibitionist/gang bang/fantasy is not uncommon and fairly well documented by writers like Nancy Friday, and others, so I don't think the premise for the story is unrealistic or offensive - depending upon how it is handled.

I can see a couple of problems in the sketch you've outlined, a shy and prudish hired stripper might take some believing.

I'd always understood the effect of date rape drugs was you couldn't remember anything afterwards, that needs to thought through if you stick with that plan.

Annais Nin's name has come up on the boards a couple of times recently and I'm reminded of a story she wrote 'Spanish Fly' where a husband tells his prudish wife he's been lacing her drink with Spanish Fly. Of course she imagines she is becoming wanton and promiscuous and enters into the world of her dreams and acts them out with her husband. Yes it can be done - once again, it's in the telling.

Catagory - you'd have to decide when you've written it, could go one of several ways.
You could always write as a your dream sequence.

 

[sincerely_helene]

Doc: That is precisely the logic I was hoping to portray in the story-- The girl is quite ignorant to the ways of the world, so all she knows of the drug is what she's been told by others. The reason I thought it especially delicious was because of that added factor. Maybe I'm overthinking it too much for it to be erotic, though? I have a habit of focusing too much on the pyschological and just assuming the readers will "get it," and enjoy it as much as I do.

Neon: I had also considered the after effects you mentioned. I have heard of everything from 2 day hangovers, to loss of memory, to total recall. In this case, I find it irrelevent. I had intended her to find out straight afterward that she had been taken to add to the humliation factor.

 

[Weird Harold]

I can see a couple of problems in the sketch you've outlined, a shy and prudish hired stripper might take some believing.

I think S_H means a shy and prudish woman (Co-ed who needs money) hired as a stripper, not a "working stripper" hired for a private party.

I've seen most of the elements of this idea presented believably in other stories but I don't think I've seen all of them in the SAME story.

It's an interesting idea and I think it's a very workable concept.

 

[rgraham666]

Hey, thanks for the input so far, everyone!

Rgraham: What do you think if I made her a bartender? I had considered that, even though in the dream I... I mean "she" was a stripper.

Also, do you think it too unrealistic that she wouldn't have a bodyguard present? I was thinking of working one into the story who turns out to be the leader of the biker gang, but she is not aware of that walking into the situation.

I think the bartender might be more workable. Weird Harold's idea of a 'part-timer' hired is good too.

Zoot's idea of the woman acting the way she believes she should act is a good one. As neon pointed out, it could give her an 'excuse' for her actions.

And 'I'? You kinky little minx. Now I know what to get you for your birthday.

 

[Guest]

I have been having a wild dream lately that I was thinking of recreating in story form, but I'm not sure if it would be found unrealistic or offensive. Here is the scenario:

A gang of bikers hire a stripper to preform at an outdoor party. The female is quite shy and prudeish,-- perhaps even a virgin if I really wanted to stretch it (no pun intended). Classic case of only accepting the job to pay her way through college.

Anyway, in order to lower her inhibitions, she accepts a few drinks before hand, only later to be told that someone has slipped her a generous portian of the date rape drug.

Now, the main character is also not much of a drinker, so it doesn't take her long to get typsy, maybe even typsy enough to believe she actually is under the influence of GHB.

The scene eventually esculates to her spreading her legs in the back of a pick up truck, masturbating in front of several men, allowing herself to be penetrated by bottles and dildos, maybe engaging in the occasional gang bang.

My questions:
Do you think it's possible trick the mind into thinking it's under an influence so powerful?

Would you be offended by this story?

Do you think it would be apt. to place it in the Mind Control section?

im only offended because you told....
i swore you to secrecy...
bitch!

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I wrote a story in which a woman is paid a rather large sum of money by a mysterious stranger to take off her clothes as part of some sort of experiment, the purpose of which he refuses to explain to her. She's sitting under a spotlight and he's in the dark. All she can see of him is his hands.

She starts out being resentful and kind of surly because she feels like a whore and she doesn't especially like that feeling, but she needs the money and everyone has their price. As she takes off more and more and he doesn't appear to be reacting, she gets kind of angry and indignant. Suddenly her pride comes into play, and she starts flaunting herself, making a big deal of taking off her underthings, trying to get some kind of response from him. Still nothing, although her own posing and teasing have an effect on her and she starts getting very aroused.

She's finally so angry and determined to provoke some kind of response that she sits down, spreads her legs and starts masturbating for him almost out of spite. It's only after she comes that she realizes she's gone far beyond what he originally asked her to do, and all because he showed no reaction. It was all her own reactions to feelings she projected onto him.

This kind of sexual theater can be very powerful, especially for someone not used to it and not aware of the power of their desirablity. I think you could pull it off.

 

[sincerely_helene]

I think the bartender might be more workable. Weird Harold's idea of a 'part-timer' hired is good too.

Zoot's idea of the woman acting the way she believes she should act is a good one. As neon pointed out, it could give her an 'excuse' for her actions.

And 'I'? You kinky little minx. Now I know what to get you for your birthday.

What Zoot spoke of was precisely what I was trying to relay in my original post to the thread, but I suppose upon re-reading I was a little vague. I seemed to have confused more than a handful of you with my choice of wording. I will be sure to be more careful of my composition in future.

For the record, she never actually took anything more than the afore mentioned drinks. That is why I thought it would be a cool little mind fuck story. All she has to go on is what she has heard she is SUPPOSED to feel through word of mouth, the media, and the actual name of the drug.

Quote from original: "Now, the main character is also not much of a drinker, so it doesn't take her long to get typsy, maybe even typsy enough to believe she actually is under the influence of GHB."

If I had written it as though she really had taken it, I wouldn't have asked if I could toss it under the mind control category.

P.S. I will be eagerly awaiting my belated birthday package.

 

[mismused]

My questions:
Do you think it's possible trick the mind into thinking it's under an influence so powerful?

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Totally posolutely yes!

Good luck.

 

[mismused]

As Neon said, it's in the telling. Keep in mind that personality is a contrivance, and what we think a person is, is only what they "predominantly" show. What's there behind the "shown?" What little nuances, dreams, fears, or, yes, fantasies, are hidden within her?

Luck again,

mismused

 

[Guest]

I once watched a girl pass out at a party from drinking non-alcoholic beer. Expectations can be strange things.

I'll go you one better. I know a girl who got falling down, hugging porceline drunk on Welches grape juice and sprite.

People who have had traumatic experiences have been convinced they are blind when there is nothing physically wrong with their eyes.

The mind is a powerful thing but very easy to fool.

S_H I think it's a great idea. I don't see any reason for anyone to take offense to it. And I agree with Min, to an extent. I think the story could go either way. Just depends on exactly how you write it as to which it will fit best in.

 

[English Lady]

SH sounds bloody good to me, a great and interesting idea. I'd read it and I'm sure I'd enjoy it too. Let us know when it's up ok?


(And read Dr M's story...it is very HOT!)

 

[sincerely_helene]

Thanks for the encouragement, folks. I will likely proceed, and partly just posted for assurance that it would appeal enough for at least some of you to read. I took into heavy consideration that the drug (even if imagined,) aspect might detour.

It is unfortunete that Dr. M did not state the name of afore mentioned story, because now I'm going to have to peruse them all (again.) Ooooooohh, woe is me.

 

[English Lady]

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It is unfortunete that Dr. M did not state the name of afore mentioned story, because now I'm going to have to peruse them all (again.) Ooooooohh, woe is me.

I predict we may not see helene for quite sometime...

Make sure you drink lots to replace lost fluids

 

[sincerely_helene]

Make sure you drink lots to replace lost fluids

I'm one hep astead of you.

 

[neonlyte]

How's the arm, by the way.

 

[sincerely_helene]

How's the arm, by the way.

No more cast! It has been replaced by a mysterious crop of black hair on the back of my hand. Yeah, I know, don't say it. I don't know where it came from or why, but I'm considering casting the heads of a bunch of bald people just to see what happens.

Feeling a bit better, but still messed. May require more work.

Thank you for asking.