Fisting????
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MsDeanne
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Not in my opinion, but then again depends on the size of their mitts and how many times' I have gushed. Ya know lubes good stuff when there's a hand stretching you pussy wide, so is clit rubbing for that matter.
*shrugs* I enjoy it
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This has what to do with BDSM?
I like it alot and over the years I found men were surpried too.
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I think it depends: a lot of women are self conscious about it, "loose pussy" is not supposed to be a good thing, so a lot of has to do with how comfortable you and your partner are about it, and how comfortable you are with your body, lot's of misconceptions about being permanently "stretched out" etc., and the verbal rhetoric kink that often accompanies it probably doesn't help, so it's refreshing to me to find a woman that's enthusiastic rather than conflicted about it.
BDSM is applicable to everything. Everything.
^Agreed.
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Well the verbal humiliation aspect of it is definitely BDSM, "ruined pussy", "degraded cunts" and all that, not that easy to do actually, since your body is simply expressing relaxin, which doesn't "stretch you out", it basically just increases tissue flexibility, which if anything, is going to improve you sex life, and possibly prevent dyspareunia or something equally unpleasant later in life, and the verbal humiliation aspect of it is really a separate kink, an ambiance fetish, and I think that's one of the aspects of BDSM I really like, simply the ability to categorize fetishes and distinguish one form another, i.e., you can have fisting with verbal humiliation or without, with pain or without, etc.
These are good things to know in advance, because the associated ambiance fetish can often make or break the scene, the difference between screaming orgasm and "get your hand outta me you fucking asshole".
I can go either way with it, I think deep down, there just something so womanly about it, it's hard to describe, while for he fistee, it most likely involves considerable vagus nerve stimulation ("fullness") as well as clitoral stimulation - i.e., the lobes or wings on either side, which are likely involved in "stretching", which itself is in some ways distinct from fisting which involves more internal ganglia, the G Spot, "deep spot" (at the base of the cervix), and rectouterine pouch, etc.
Anyway, there' something almost spiritual about watching a woman writhe around like that, it's absolutely beautiful.
Obviously I'm biased towards vaginal fisting, and I think there are probably more guys into anal fisting than women, possibly for cultural reasons, seems like there are a lot more women into anal fisting in German porn for example, even going back to the vintage stuff.
These are good things to know in advance, because the associated ambiance fetish can often make or break the scene, the difference between screaming orgasm and "get your hand outta me you fucking asshole".
I can go either way with it, I think deep down, there just something so womanly about it, it's hard to describe, while for he fistee, it most likely involves considerable vagus nerve stimulation ("fullness") as well as clitoral stimulation - i.e., the lobes or wings on either side, which are likely involved in "stretching", which itself is in some ways distinct from fisting which involves more internal ganglia, the G Spot, "deep spot" (at the base of the cervix), and rectouterine pouch, etc.
Anyway, there' something almost spiritual about watching a woman writhe around like that, it's absolutely beautiful.
Obviously I'm biased towards vaginal fisting, and I think there are probably more guys into anal fisting than women, possibly for cultural reasons, seems like there are a lot more women into anal fisting in German porn for example, even going back to the vintage stuff.
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Don't worry about this type of post from qp (Primalex); he has certain opinions and attitudes that sometimes cause him to think that only *his* kinks fit into BDSM. Someday, perhaps, he'll grow up enough to realize that his version of BDSM is his; that he covers part of the spectrum of BDSM, other people cover other parts, and yet others overlap hither and yon. Maybe.
Every once in a while, though, he actually comes up with something verging on brilliant, and a little more often, something intelligent. That's why we don't just all ignore him. 
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Yes it's uncommon, but so what? 
Uncommon is no problem, IMO.
Uncommon is no problem, IMO.
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Let us guess - maybe the kinks that represent the four letters you wrote? That was the most stupid question I've read in some time.
BDSM is BDSM, not the cesspool for every fetish and kink out there.
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agreed, BDSM is BDSM. but when it comes to certain things, it's not so much the activity itself so much as the environment in which its carried out. fisting as a mutually pleasurable sexual exercise...(and the way i believe the OP is describing it)...is not BDSM.
but i have been fisted by a Dominant man whose only desire was to see me in agony, physically and emotionally. i tend to be the stoic type so i never cried out, but the tears came and they were abundant. at first just because of the sheer unfathomable pain of it...and then at the sinking and depressing realization that i was there in that room completely alone with him, for who knows how long, for him to continue doing who knows what, and that my Master knew this and was off somewhere very pleased at the thought of my suffering. He did not touch me sexually in any other way, and did not stop until i began bleeding (which i guess he didn't expect). my Master had to carry me out of the hotel, i could not walk or stand straight up for two days. on the ride home as i was curled in a ball in the backseat and still silently crying, he said, "good girl."
that was sadism. that was BDSM.
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That was sadism for sure, you win the 'i endured the most brutality' prize once again.
But it wasn't the whole of BDSM. There are about a million and three BDSM variants that you happen to not be involved with. Some of them include mutual pleasure-- which is not sadism, as you have so correctly pointed out.
But it wasn't the whole of BDSM. There are about a million and three BDSM variants that you happen to not be involved with. Some of them include mutual pleasure-- which is not sadism, as you have so correctly pointed out.
ownedsubgal
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never ever claimed to live a BDSM lifestyle, but i do recognize that i've engaged in some BDSM activities. and you are correct, BDSM is certainly not limited to sadism (otherwise they'd just call it "S"). but a sexual activity not involving bondage, discipline, sadism or masochism??...in what way would that be BDSM?
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Here I fixed this for you.
This is where the question of "What does this have to do with BDSM should be asked.
This was the thought behind my "stupid" question.
Is it juvenile to still believe that there are no "stupid" questions?
Stella_Omega
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As a top I'm thinking power transfer, or enforcing a psychological hold, or marking my territory by making her faint from orgasms... killing with kindness so to speak.
Or, if she's the dominant one, she could demand whatever service she wanted from her sub. Many women love penetration-- doesn't make them the submissive
"Stupid question" usually means someone doesn't want to answer it.
For instance there are questions that have been answered a bazillion times, like two minutes ago but you weren't paying attention.
And then there are questions where the person getting asked doesn't have an un-stupid answer.
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ownedsubgal
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eh, no. the absence of raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens does not make something not BDSM. yes, for a great many people, a great deal of the time, engaging in BDSM is fun and pleasurable and orgasms all-around, and that's fine and dandy, but it certainly does not have to be that way and absolutely is not defined by those concepts.
Stella_Omega
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This.
osg is an outlier-- we could call it 'edgeplay' but it isn't playing at all, ever, for her-- Her choices seem wierder than fuck to me-- but she has made it clear time and time again that they ARE her choices.
i don't know the "official" catagory that fisting would fall into, but I've only experienced it in D/s relationships. i enjoy it being an aspect of it. Especially when i am tied down and my master uses it as a total exchange of power and a statement of what belongs to him..
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I played with a masochist several times. Basically, she just wanted pain. Pure and simple pain. She was never much aroused, but I was welcome to get myself off using her as I wanted. Her suggestion was to lube her ass just enough to plunge in and then pump like crazy.
It was possible to get her to cum, but first she needed pain to get well into subspace. Since she really wasn't sexually aroused by the scene, I had to lead here like a subject under hypnosis to make herself ready to orgasm. With a vibrator and talk, I eventually commanded her body to climax.
So anyway...
One time we started with her tied spread-eagle, face down, pillows raising her ass into the air. After reddening her bottom, I got the lube out and started penetrating her pussy. She was to cry out when the pain was good and hard, and I'd back off a moment before pushing again on my quest to get inside her.
Her first response was at all four knuckles. I got several more with my thumb against my palm, pushing and rotating the whole diameter of my hand. Finally, my whole fist slipped inside.
Then I told her she was to cum from being fucked by my fist, and started doing full insertions/withdrawals as i talked her up. It didn't take much before she started her cum. I stayed inside (actually it was too hard to get my hand back out!) and worked on her g-spot.
Her screams of cumming were subtly different than her screams of pain. And I almost started screaming because she clamped down so hard on my hand!
Of course, she finally relaxed enough for me to withdraw. And, she was a very sore girl for a couple of days.
It was possible to get her to cum, but first she needed pain to get well into subspace. Since she really wasn't sexually aroused by the scene, I had to lead here like a subject under hypnosis to make herself ready to orgasm. With a vibrator and talk, I eventually commanded her body to climax.
So anyway...
One time we started with her tied spread-eagle, face down, pillows raising her ass into the air. After reddening her bottom, I got the lube out and started penetrating her pussy. She was to cry out when the pain was good and hard, and I'd back off a moment before pushing again on my quest to get inside her.
Her first response was at all four knuckles. I got several more with my thumb against my palm, pushing and rotating the whole diameter of my hand. Finally, my whole fist slipped inside.
Then I told her she was to cum from being fucked by my fist, and started doing full insertions/withdrawals as i talked her up. It didn't take much before she started her cum. I stayed inside (actually it was too hard to get my hand back out!) and worked on her g-spot.
Her screams of cumming were subtly different than her screams of pain. And I almost started screaming because she clamped down so hard on my hand!
Of course, she finally relaxed enough for me to withdraw. And, she was a very sore girl for a couple of days.
