Fish out of Water Stories

Miss_Misaki

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I was wondering if I could pick the collective conscious around here for their ideas and opinions on "fish out of water" stories. We all know what they are, even if we don't recognize them by the name - a character falls into another world, plane of existence, etc. through some plot device, and then they have to cope with a number of issues, including (but not limited to) culture shock, trauma from being removed from home, and the quest to return to their prior state. Some good examples from classical literature are A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain, and The Time Machine, by H.G. Wells, and of course, The Chronicles of Narnia, by C.S. Lewis.

I have several questions regarding these types of stories, as I'm currently writing one of my own - a satirical comedy - and would like some input to chew on while I write. I'll ask the questions first, and post a brief synopsis of my story later if anyone's interested (but before I do, I'd like your advice about doing that, as I feel it's a remarkably good idea coming from someone inadequate like me, and I might try to get it published, lol).


1. As an overall opinion, what do you think of these stories? Are they too cliché? What conceptions (if any) do you have about them that would either compel you to, or dissuade you from reading them?

2. The way I see it, the ending of such stories has a very limited number of possible outcomes. The protagonist can either a) find his way back, never to return, b) find his way back, with the ability to return, c) never find his way back, but decide he's better off for it, or d) never find his way back, and be doomed to suffer for it.

There are positives and negatives to all of the above, as well as many details that can render each potent in its own way. Which one would you say is most/least predictable, if you had to resort to generalization?

3. In my opinion, the plot device used to propel the protagonist into the new world is very important. In the story I'm currently working on, it's not only symbolic, but it's also a recurring concept that takes on various forms throughout the story, even though it isn't apparent to either the characters or the reader all the time. However, plot devices have a way of being too convenient, and a crutch for lazy writers. I know it's really vague of me, but do you have any suggestions on some that you've read yourself and found to be engaging? Believability isn't as important to me as quality of interest, since the very idea of propelling someone into another world often strays into the realm of fantasy, provided the other world isn't just another country on this planet.

In the case of the story examples I posted above, the plot devices used are (in order): a blow to the head (leave it to Twain to use such a comical plot device xD), the time machine itself, and without spoiling too much of the series, a variety of objects and individuals all having some connection to Magic and/or Aslan.



I hope we get some nice, thought-provoking discussion out of this. :) This happens to be one of my favorite story genres, so I suppose it's only natural that I try to write my own someday.
 
Such a story isn't limited to fantasy. It fits in very well to sci-fi. In fact, I am writing one such myself. There the vehicle is a Star Gate, physically possible after all, and the dislocation involves being sent as an unwilling colonist and forbidden to return as well as the very alien things that happen on a world with serious differences from our own. I say go for it. I am certainly having fun with this one.
 
Such a story isn't limited to fantasy. It fits in very well to sci-fi. In fact, I am writing one such myself. There the vehicle is a Star Gate, physically possible after all, and the dislocation involves being sent as an unwilling colonist and forbidden to return as well as the very alien things that happen on a world with serious differences from our own. I say go for it. I am certainly having fun with this one.
All right then. :p Sci-fi too. I should have put it in there with a slash, followed by fantasy, as I tend to lump the two together in my head anyway. Years of working in a bookstore did that to me, lol.

Just out of curiosity, is the star gate in any way related to the TV series of the same name? I used to watch it during the earlier seasons, but that was only with my former boyfriend, and when we broke up, I couldn't watch anymore, because it reminded me of him too much. xD
 
I'm working on a fish out of water story myself, but it's going to be a while before it comes out. In the meantime, I have my series, Beyond The Veil, which is something of a cultural fish out of water story, if at all.

Regarding mediums for traveling to other worlds/planes/whatever, there is practically nothing that has not already been done before. Science Fiction has been around for more than a century as a recognized genre, and in that time, just about every potential has been explored. The majority of readers know this, so they aren't necessarily looking for an original take on the device. Rather, they want engaging characters and unique stories.

That said, I find this comment interesting:

2. The way I see it, the ending of such stories has a very limited number of possible outcomes. The protagonist can either a) find his way back, never to return, b) find his way back, with the ability to return, c) never find his way back, but decide he's better off for it, or d) never find his way back, and be doomed to suffer for it.

Aren't these pretty much the same ending choices for just about any story? What I mean is, every character, at some time during the story, has to decide if things are going to change or remain the same for him or her. Going back, going forward, staying where they are . . . those are the basic choices of any character, especially a main protagonist.
 
All right then. :p Sci-fi too. I should have put it in there with a slash, followed by fantasy, as I tend to lump the two together in my head anyway. Years of working in a bookstore did that to me, lol.

Just out of curiosity, is the star gate in any way related to the TV series of the same name? I used to watch it during the earlier seasons, but that was only with my former boyfriend, and when we broke up, I couldn't watch anymore, because it reminded me of him too much. xD

To be honest, I never watched it. I'll base mine on the Chern collider that is currently being built and tested in Europe. It's supposed to be able to make (maybe!) sub-micro black holes so I figure that it makes a start on wormholes, too.
 
To be honest, I never watched it. I'll base mine on the Chern collider that is currently being built and tested in Europe. It's supposed to be able to make (maybe!) sub-micro black holes so I figure that it makes a start on wormholes, too.

Not too far from the premise of the movies and series. Although there's still a lot of conjecture about the dynamics of wormholes and just how they would function. Still, as a sci-fi plot device, it's established.
 
The plot device in my story has already been done too. I was told by a friend of mine (who I revealed my idea to, as a preliminary means of testing its humor) that my idea of having the protagonist get literally sucked into a book has been done before - in the animated movie, The Pagemaster. You know the one? It was that annoying movie with the talking books and MacCauley Culkin as the lead character. Ugh.

The Neverending Story is similar, but I don't think Bastian got sucked into the book, at least not until the sequel. He was more or less an omniscient onlooker.
 
LOL I remember the Neverending Story but never watched the sequel. There's a truly creepy picture in a book of pictures that the primary grade teachers use as introductions to narrative where a little girl falls asleep with a book. As she sleeps, a vine grows out of the book and winds its way up her pillow and into her hair . . .
 
The plot device in my story has already been done too. I was told by a friend of mine (who I revealed my idea to, as a preliminary means of testing its humor) that my idea of having the protagonist get literally sucked into a book has been done before - in the animated movie, The Pagemaster. You know the one? It was that annoying movie with the talking books and MacCauley Culkin as the lead character. Ugh.

The Neverending Story is similar, but I don't think Bastian got sucked into the book, at least not until the sequel. He was more or less an omniscient onlooker.

The idea of literally getting sucked into books, or jumping into one, is not new. Anyone with a kid who's watched "Blue's Clues" knows what it means to 'skeedo.'

The device has been used fairly often in the fantasy genre. I can't remember the name, but there was a series in the eighties in which the main characters -- all tabletop RPG gamers -- were somehow transposed into the fantasy world of their game master's design. It was a good take on the idea since some of the characters did not survive the adventures into which they were hurled. In most of the cases in which I've seen this device used, the characters became ubermenchen who always survived.

Anyway . . . :p

The fact that the device is not new might aid you, since readers may be familiar with it and suspend their disbelief even more without too much in the way of explanation. It's been done before, after all, so it can be done again.
 
Barsoom was such a place. John Carter "made his advent upon Mars," as Burroughs put it, in a decidedly supernatural fashion.

Most satires rely on the fish out of water, for a fresh pair of eyes to look at the thing satirized. Gulliver did it in reverse, but Heinlein's Michael Valentine Smith fits the description.

Barsoom was nearly all heroic fantasy, but early Tarzan stories frequently have passages of satirical comment on society as seen from the outsider perspective of the ape-man, and even of the ape Ajax. Have you thought about the opportunities for satire in this thing?
 
Barsoom was such a place. John Carter "made his advent upon Mars," as Burroughs put it, in a decidedly supernatural fashion.

Most satires rely on the fish out of water, for a fresh pair of eyes to look at the thing satirized. Gulliver did it in reverse, but Heinlein's Michael Valentine Smith fits the description.

Barsoom was nearly all heroic fantasy, but early Tarzan stories frequently have passages of satirical comment on society as seen from the outsider perspective of the ape-man, and even of the ape Ajax. Have you thought about the opportunities for satire in this thing?

Miss_Misaki said:
I have several questions regarding these types of stories, as I'm currently writing one of my own - a satirical comedy - and would like some input to chew on while I write. I'll ask the questions first, and post a brief synopsis of my story later if anyone's interested (but before I do, I'd like your advice about doing that, as I feel it's a remarkably good idea coming from someone inadequate like me, and I might try to get it published, lol).
I believe so. :p

I don't want to give any real details away because it's still too early in the development, and I'm not sure what would be prudent to share online. Anyway, there will be a lot of satire going on, particularly at the expense of writers and writing in general, and that's all I'll say. :p
 
My vampire stories often have a fish out of water feel to them. Especially when the character has recently became a vampire and has to deal with the fresh perspective of regarding human beings as food.

Some of my BDSM pieces have a fish out of water theme as well.
 
I generally use real FISH OUT OF WATER experiences, and functional psychosis is the portal I use to transport the protagonist with. Like the story I'm writing:

In 1900 two tourists travel to Florida. One loses his money in a poker game, the other loses her money to theft; both are convicted of vagrancy and sentenced to serve 3 months working at a for-profit convict labor camp. The camp rules are the psychotic portal. Hitler used the same rules in his slave camps. The rules are a death sentence. You either die, escape, or compromise your morals to survive.
 
I love these kind of stories and they could really work in any genre if you're creative. Though, I think you're right about the eventual outcome, something has to give, there's always and ultimatum. For example, I have a story about a sort of boring Hollywood director who by chance gets immersed in the world of European gay porn. She falls in love with one of the boys and then has to decide whether she can live without him and go back to her old life or if she can stay with him and his lifestyle. You can't have it both ways and it makes for a great drama.
 
I think that Rudyard Kipling's Captains Courageous is a great example of a fish out of water novel.

Og
 
I think that Rudyard Kipling's Captains Courageous is a great example of a fish out of water novel.

Og

That's odd; I thought I'd read all of Kipling's stories. Is this a novel?

I'll have to go look it up now. :p Darn you; I have five or six new books from Xmas waiting for me to read them too, lol.
 
Such a story isn't limited to fantasy. It fits in very well to sci-fi. In fact, I am writing one such myself. There the vehicle is a Star Gate, physically possible after all, and the dislocation involves being sent as an unwilling colonist and forbidden to return as well as the very alien things that happen on a world with serious differences from our own. I say go for it. I am certainly having fun with this one.

I'm not sure exactly what the properties of a star gate are. However, there is a, for real, scientific theory that the universe has more than three dimensions, plus time. The dimensions beyond three were 'compressed' during the big bang. However, those dimensions are still there. If you try to decide reality in a three dimensional universe when reality is actually a ten dimensional universe, you aren't going to get a correct picture. [The cited ten dimensional universe has been postulated to solve some problems in observations in sub-atomic physics.]
 
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