Fiscal conservatism can't exist without social conservatism

[renard_ruse]

What self-proclaimed "fiscal conservative social liberals" don't understand or refuse to admit is that you can't have fiscal conservatism without so-called social conservatism (basic moral and family values).

They seem oblivious to the almost direct parallel between the growth of government and the increase in single parent and broken homes over the past 40 years. Government HAS to increase in size and expenditures to provide for the single parents and their children. Common sense and the reality of the past 40 years years has clearly shown this. The state has to be the daddy when daddy doesn't exist.

Sure, there are exceptions both ways, but at an aggregate societal level this is an eternal truth. You can't have smaller government in the same society that rejects the nuclear family unit as a basic foundation of society.

http://blog.adw.org/2012/02/out-of-...s-than-the-future-of-our-country-is-at-stake/

 

[BotanyBoy]

What self-proclaimed "fiscal conservative social liberals" don't understand or refuse to admit is that you can't have fiscal conservatism without so-called social conservatism (basic moral and family values).

Never read a bigger crock of shit in my life.

You don't have to have a stick up your ass about drugs/sex/rock n' roll to stop price gouging for shit we don't need and giving handouts to folks like Israel.

 

[Que]

Yes it can, and tbere is nothing "conservative" about so-called social conservatives.

Social conservative was shorthand for yellow-dog church-going Democrats in the bible belt that were encouraged to cross over to vote for Reagen.

You cannot "conserve" a set of values that have already passed into antiquity.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Post-industrial society has a lot of state-run functions that were previously handled by extended family. Nuclear families are still by and large an important unit; however, it seems to be extended families that collapse.

There is a major issue with nuclear families and ill-equipped parents among poor families, yes; however, this is a destruction of the nuclear family through mass incarceration, the active removal of fathers from the home for the purpose of needed government benefits (which, in turn, leads to a tolerance for high incarceration,) and the destruction of youth to shore up the incarceration rate.

If the government decided to back off and stop tongue-fucking every Fortune 500 company's asshole, letting corporations rise and fall on their own and only stepping in when things get too out of hand, keeping government benefits to a minimum and only regulating direct harm, the gaps would be filled in by corporations, community organizations, and extended families.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We have a nihilistic-Keynesian culture.

All any conservative is is the last person to try and hold on to reality in an age where emotion rules and spending (thus debt) is a meaningless metric. You may try and hold onto your traditional values, but it will hurt you in the end. You may talk about being fiscally conservative and even try to order your affairs by way of example, but eventually through negative interest rates and special taxes on your savings, you will be made an example of.

Now some will scream, that's not happening, it is true, but it is on the event horizon. The altruists seek pure communal tribalism and cannibalistic self-sacrifice in the attempt to abrogate human nature and create a social and fiscal utopia. They will never stop. They are moral. They are right.

The conservative now is only a person who goes along to get along while trying to prepare, in secret, for the eventual collapse and rebirth.

 

[BotanyBoy]

All any conservative is is the last person to try and hold on to reality

Quoted for hilarity.


1950 =/= reality.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Quoted for hilarity.


1950 =/= reality.

I was not alive in 1950 and you are still an...

 

[zipman]

Quoted for hilarity.


1950 =/= reality.

The 1950's were reality, half a century ago.

A_J is just nostalgic for the "traditional values" of those times, like racism, sexism and homophobia.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I was not alive in 1950 and you are still an...

I didn't say you were alive in 1950.

Still a what? Oh look more incomplete thoughts from 4est.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/98/ae/89/98ae891254f229842ff6e216eef76428.jpg

 

[Lord Pmann]

I want to keep my money, as much as possible. I don't want to support people who can work and just won't. But I do think I should be able to spend my money on weed and hookers if I want.

 

[Christobal]

What self-proclaimed "fiscal conservative social liberals" don't understand or refuse to admit is that you can't have fiscal conservatism without so-called social conservatism (basic moral and family values).

They seem oblivious to the almost direct parallel between the growth of government and the increase in single parent and broken homes over the past 40 years. Government HAS to increase in size and expenditures to provide for the single parents and their children. Common sense and the reality of the past 40 years years has clearly shown this. The state has to be the daddy when daddy doesn't exist.

Sure, there are exceptions both ways, but at an aggregate societal level this is an eternal truth. You can't have smaller government in the same society that rejects the nuclear family unit as a basic foundation of society.

http://blog.adw.org/2012/02/out-of-...s-than-the-future-of-our-country-is-at-stake/

Which position are you advocating? Or maybe you are advocating neither.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Which position are you advocating? Or maybe you are advocating neither.

He does not know how to differentiate between individual freedoms and bad public policy. But it is not surprising, after all it is 'renard'