Fireplay and cutting question

[serijules]

I have a question regarding the effects of fireplay on a freshly cut area.

I am not interested in any lectures on SSC please

Does anyone know what the effect would be of combining fireplay to a freshly cut and still bloody area? We have done cutting many times and Ma'am has experience in fireplay, but I have been ordered to look into what the consequences or effects of setting that freshly cut area on fire using standard fireplay techniques would be, and all the websites I am finding are so intent on lecturing on safety that I can't find any information. So I thought maybe some of the edgier players here may have some knowledge on this.

Any input on my actual question would be appreciated. Thank you.

 

[O'Mac]

I would think the risk of infection is fairly high if your applying fire to an open wound. To answer your question directly, the fire would likely cauterise the wound and probably seal most of it up.

Just a shot in the dark, but that might be why you're finding so much information telling you that's its not a good idea and less info about how to do it.

 

[serijules]

I would think the risk of infection is fairly high if your applying fire to an open wound. To answer your question directly, the fire would likely cauterise the wound and probably seal most of it up.

Just a shot in the dark, but that might be why you're finding so much information telling you that's its not a good idea and less info about how to do it.

I never claimed to be SSC O'Mac. Most non-SSC things are not "advisable". I mentioned the lack of information to avoid the typical "look it up online" responces that many are fond of. I'm hoping to find someone with actual experience or knowledge. I haven't found ANY information on this combination, just typical fireplay safety disclaimers. We already know how to do fireplay safely.

I would think the alcohol involved in the fireplay would minimize the risk of infection. I'm hoping the fire WOULD seal the wound and make it more permanent as I don't scar well...I heal too quickly.

We have looked into cauterizing but it lacks the blood and flames aspect that turn us both on.

 

[Netzach]

Honestly I haven't got mileage with this, but it seems to me, logically, that if you clean the cut area well before and the cut well after and keep the activity on the short and sweet side you are making a less safe situation more safe, right?

 

[Sheaf_Beast]

Fire Play

I have a question regarding the effects of fireplay on a freshly cut area.

I am not interested in any lectures on SSC please

Does anyone know what the effect would be of combining fireplay to a freshly cut and still bloody area? We have done cutting many times and Ma'am has experience in fireplay, but I have been ordered to look into what the consequences or effects of setting that freshly cut area on fire using standard fireplay techniques would be, and all the websites I am finding are so intent on lecturing on safety that I can't find any information. So I thought maybe some of the edgier players here may have some knowledge on this.

Any input on my actual question would be appreciated. Thank you.

Are you just using flash cotton? or are you using the koy(sp) floggers? or are you using a torch and cooking up a side of beef?

 

[serijules]

Are you just using flash cotton? or are you using the koy(sp) floggers? or are you using a torch and cooking up a side of beef?

Just typical alcohol torches.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Just some thoughts I'm pondering, because I have not done fire play on open wounds...

Alcohol will clean the area, as well as hurt like hell, as well as make it bleed more. That's a plus!
Alcohol will dry out the skin, I imagine that it will dry out the exposed flesh underneath the skin as well. That's a negative.
Open flame (if left on the wound long enough) WILL cauterize the wound (cauterize means "to sear" (or burn) a wound, application of an intense heat source or caustic substance can do that), a cauterized wound WILL scar to some degree or another. That's a plus!
Open flame (burning) WILL cause additional trauma to the flesh, increasing the chance of shock. That's a negative.
Cauterizing the wound, as long as foreign material is not left behind, should decrease the initial chance of infection. That's a plus.
If the cauterization/burn is not properly cared for, or causes some of the underlying flesh to die (necrosis), the chance of infection will increase. That's a negative.

Basically you need to look at the pro's and con's of cutting, and the pro's and con's of branding, then compile a list to deside if the benefits outweigh the risks.

Hope that helps!

 

[serijules]

Just some thoughts I'm pondering, because I have not done fire play on open wounds...

Alcohol will clean the area, as well as hurt like hell, as well as make it bleed more. That's a plus!
Alcohol will dry out the skin, I imagine that it will dry out the exposed flesh underneath the skin as well. That's a negative.
Open flame (if left on the wound long enough) WILL cauterize the wound (cauterize means "to sear" (or burn) a wound, application of an intense heat source or caustic substance can do that), a cauterized wound WILL scar to some degree or another. That's a plus!
Open flame (burning) WILL cause additional trauma to the flesh, increasing the chance of shock. That's a negative.
Cauterizing the wound, as long as foreign material is not left behind, should decrease the initial chance of infection. That's a plus.
If the cauterization/burn is not properly cared for, or causes some of the underlying flesh to die (necrosis), the chance of infection will increase. That's a negative.

Basically you need to look at the pro's and con's of cutting, and the pro's and con's of branding, then compile a list to deside if the benefits outweigh the risks.

Hope that helps!

It helps very much, I appreciate your reply, thank you.

 

[Shankara20]

I am intrigued by the question, wish I could help.
Any change some of the information on branding might apply?

 

[Sheaf_Beast]

Fire play Torches

Just typical alcohol torches.

Ok, these are just you run of the mill torches, kevlar bun on a sitck/copper pipe?
They look like a drum batton?

Is it a cotton bun? kevlar bun?

Will you be having them drug across the area, and or used with impact on the area?

Just as a guess, without seeing your scene, getting char or foriegn matter in an open wound would be about the worst case scenerio.

 

[Soumis]

I've done fireplay after a cutting scene without negative consequences. Now, I don't know how deep you're cutting, but obviously that makes a difference. My cuts from that scene were not terribly deep, think bad paper cuts, bleeding but not profusely. Anyhow, the fireplay afterwards went peachy. We did alchohol soaked wands, alchohol soaked oven mitts, flash cotton, and devil's fire. The differences I noticed between normal fireplay and after cutting fireplay was a higher sensitivity. There was a bit more pain, pleasant granted, when things ran over the cuts, but the alchohol burned so quickly that it wasn't a big deal. When the Dom I was scening with took his time with the alchohol, then I could get a bit twitchy waiting for the fire to come burn the alchohol off the cuts. This was all experience with the wands, mitts, and flash cotten, as he didn't poke my cuts with the devil's fire...I imagine that might have been a different experience all its own...

Provided everything that touches your skin is clean and/or doused with alchohol I don't imagine there would be an infection problem. Extreme heat helps to coagulate blood, so your cuts might close faster. As to cauterizing the wound, that takes a serious amount of heat, more than I imagine the wands/torches are capable of passing on to you. Cauterizing tends to involve metal because it conducts heat more efficiently. Now I'm sure there's science behind it I don't know, but I wouldn't think you would actually cauterize anything without the application of some seriously hot metal. Granted, this is my perspective from the fireplay I've done and seen, if you like to have burning torches held to you and just wait until things go red or black...that might have different results...

 

[O'Mac]

I never claimed to be SSC O'Mac. Most non-SSC things are not "advisable". I mentioned the lack of information to avoid the typical "look it up online" responces that many are fond of. I'm hoping to find someone with actual experience or knowledge. I haven't found ANY information on this combination, just typical fireplay safety disclaimers. We already know how to do fireplay safely.

I would think the alcohol involved in the fireplay would minimize the risk of infection. I'm hoping the fire WOULD seal the wound and make it more permanent as I don't scar well...I heal too quickly.

We have looked into cauterizing but it lacks the blood and flames aspect that turn us both on.

I never claimed to be here to dissuade you either. I can't think of anyone I know who has cut and involved themselves in fireplay, primarily because they don't want the risks. Now you can take that as a commentary on my part or an observation (as was intended). I suppose alcohol would help disinfect the wound well enough as suggested. Other than that, I'm out of ideas.

Aren't we cool with our hard-edge approach to life?

 

[serijules]

Ok, these are just you run of the mill torches, kevlar bun on a sitck/copper pipe?
They look like a drum batton?

Is it a cotton bun? kevlar bun?

Will you be having them drug across the area, and or used with impact on the area?

Just as a guess, without seeing your scene, getting char or foriegn matter in an open wound would be about the worst case scenerio.

Yes, just typical cotton torches drug over the area.

Basically all we are looking to do is re-cut the marque on my back (no skin-removal cutting, just basic line cutting...deep enough to scar and bleed, but fairly basic), apply alcohol and torch it. I'm assuming my owner is simply looking to combine two of her turn-ons (making me bleed and seeing my flesh "on fire" so to speak) into one scene. I'm sure SHE knows the answers to these questions, but is having me look them up for my own knowledge. She's like that

So no, no impact and slim chances of char or foriegn matter into the wounds since we would be using freshly-made torches.

 

[serijules]

I've done fireplay after a cutting scene without negative consequences. Now, I don't know how deep you're cutting, but obviously that makes a difference. My cuts from that scene were not terribly deep, think bad paper cuts, bleeding but not profusely. Anyhow, the fireplay afterwards went peachy. We did alchohol soaked wands, alchohol soaked oven mitts, flash cotton, and devil's fire. The differences I noticed between normal fireplay and after cutting fireplay was a higher sensitivity. There was a bit more pain, pleasant granted, when things ran over the cuts, but the alchohol burned so quickly that it wasn't a big deal. When the Dom I was scening with took his time with the alchohol, then I could get a bit twitchy waiting for the fire to come burn the alchohol off the cuts. This was all experience with the wands, mitts, and flash cotten, as he didn't poke my cuts with the devil's fire...I imagine that might have been a different experience all its own...

Provided everything that touches your skin is clean and/or doused with alchohol I don't imagine there would be an infection problem. Extreme heat helps to coagulate blood, so your cuts might close faster. As to cauterizing the wound, that takes a serious amount of heat, more than I imagine the wands/torches are capable of passing on to you. Cauterizing tends to involve metal because it conducts heat more efficiently. Now I'm sure there's science behind it I don't know, but I wouldn't think you would actually cauterize anything without the application of some seriously hot metal. Granted, this is my perspective from the fireplay I've done and seen, if you like to have burning torches held to you and just wait until things go red or black...that might have different results...

Thank you for your input, I appreciate it.

I agree with you on cauterizing....I wish it WOULD, but I realize it's unlikely. I heal far far too well and the cutting marks fade much faster than we woud like even though she cuts fairly deep

 

[serijules]

I never claimed to be here to dissuade you either. I can't think of anyone I know who has cut and involved themselves in fireplay, primarily because they don't want the risks. Now you can take that as a commentary on my part or an observation (as was intended). I suppose alcohol would help disinfect the wound well enough as suggested. Other than that, I'm out of ideas.

Aren't we cool with our hard-edge approach to life?

Sorry if I sounded defensive, I just get tired of "SSC" talk sometimes and often when I ask questions on what people seem to deem edgier play, I start getting lectured, heh. That annoys me

The alcohol is a necessary part of the fireplay, so I'm figuring it will disinfect the wound enough to be fairly safe.