"Fifteen and Pregnant"

[amicus]

Don't get your panties in a wad, ladies, that is the title of a film on LMN, Lifetime Movie Network, usually chick flicks, soapish in nature.

But it did twinkle a couple ideas in me noggin...first, why they can write such stuff for cable television, or satellite, in my case, but still, fare for the general public and secondly, an even brighter twinkle as to why the ladies of Lit and those who are gender uncertain, get all nasty mouthed when I post an avatar of a sweet young thing on my page.

All the old harridans of Lit, like most aging females, get positively postal when older men put a move on younger women.

There is a lot more to this idea as I noted even in a 'practice writing' piece above, someone got all hissy about an under 18, 'first kiss' practice write of 500 words.

If a girl ain't been kissed before age 18...well, make your own analogy...

Anywho, it seems a bit of a contradiction to me on one hand, and on the other, explains the vitriol from all the 'used up' women who frequent the forum.

Nice to have a question answered, ain't it...wonder which 'sweet young thing', I will choose for my next avatar?

the everlovin' Amicus

 

[sereneone4u]

Hmmmm....

I think as elderly as you are, many of us are in the "sweet young thing" catagory...

Just sayin'

 

[amicus]

Hey, you, on the East Coast....thanks...(I think)



Ami

 

[sereneone4u]

Hey, you, on the East Coast....thanks...(I think)



Ami

Hey, you, Amicus.

Meant to add, I have read a couple of your stories in the past and I have enjoyed them.

Waiting for your "arch enemies" to arrive, since you poked them so soundly with your posting.

 

[Liar]

Waiting for your "arch enemies" to arrive, since you poked them so soundly with your posting.

Well, the man's got a hobby, at least.

 

[amicus]

Hey, you, Amicus.

Meant to add, I have read a couple of your stories in the past and I have enjoyed them.

Waiting for your "arch enemies" to arrive, since you poked them so soundly with your posting.

~~~

Thank you so much for reading and stating that you enjoyed them, I appreciate that. Someone else made the comment about child stars, under age performers, such as Brooke Shield, Blue Lagoon and Wanda Nevada and several other youthful performers in stories written to emphasize the sexuality of young teenagers, so it is not a rarity except at FCC regulated outlets such as this, although I thought the internet was beyond the grasp of the FCC, but apparently not.

Sex sells in literature and in films and both usually portray young and attractive people; it's just the way it is.

I do wish we had the opportunity to explore in writing on this forum in such a way as to reflect the reality of the situation as it is. And when I get hammered by the 'arch enemies', for post an avatar, or writing in the genre, it becomes tiresome after a while.

Thank you for the commentary.



Amicus

 

[amicus]

Well, the man's got a hobby, at least.

~~~

I suppose you can refer to my posts as a 'hobby' if you choose. It is often a challenge to respond to the left without losing my temper and answering in kind, you know, the continuing personal attacks and name calling. I do attempt to maintain control most of the time.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

I have a Lolita Theory I may explore in a story.

I suspect most adult men are attracted to Lolitas becuz theyre 'unfinished business' for every male who survived puberty. I mean, you get to the end of 6th grade totally indifferent to females, and they suddenly turn your world upside-down becuz youre ill prepared for them. A decade later youve been to a couple of county fairs, got drunk a few times, and know the rules of the game with the ladies. But the young ones remain an embarrassing defeat that fills you with resolve.

For the older gals the Lolita is a rude reminder that theyve surrendered to fat and babysitting grandchildren. Their bloom has fallen from the vine and the Lolita's bud is about to flower.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK the age of sexual consent is 16.

If they have parental consent, people can get married at 16.

However I understand and support the "no sex until 18" restriction on Literotica because it defends this site from those US-based critics who would love to close down all erotic sites.

This week the statistics were published of the UK's teenage (i.e. UNDER 16) pregnancies. Despite government initiatives lasting several years and costing millions of pounds, the number and percentage of teenage pregnancies keeps rising.

In the years since WWII the average age of menstruation has dropped by several months. Raging hormones and lack of maturity leads to sexual encounters...

Og

 

[Verdad]

For the older gals the Lolita is a rude reminder that theyve surrendered to fat and babysitting grandchildren. Their bloom has fallen from the vine and the Lolita's bud is about to flower.

On the other hand, there's an alternative explanation.

I'm not much of a harridan, yet, but when, god willing, I grow saggy and wrinkled and sprout hair at all the wrong places, I'm still going to remember being fifteen. I'm still going to know exactly the indescribable horror and disgust my fifteen-year-old self would have felt at the touch of an older man.

It's not that my fifteen-year-old self wasn't attracted to 'older men'—those of eighteen, and even some scandalously older ones, up to the shocking age of twenty-five. Thirty looked sickening and obscene, and if someone told me people over forty as much as thought about sex, much less sex with me, I'd have demanded a lobotomy.

So when women of any age shudder at pairings of young girls with mature men, I'd venture it's their inner young thang that does it first, in visceral solidarity with other young thangs. Feminism and other suspicious ideologies need not be involved.

ETA: Speaking of Nabokov, he does a superb job of showing Humbert's delusions about Lolita's enjoying herself.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

OG

Age of consent is a fluid boundary.

Humans digest meat & fat better then grain because we were hunters and scavengers for almost all of our existence. Ditto for sex. Mother Nature flips all the switches 'on' about 12 years of age becuz 12 was a good age 10,000 years ago. And it only ceased to be 12, legally, about 85 years ago.

The issue is emotionally charged becuz it touchs nerves attached to plenty of other sexual and power issues....like aging.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

On the other hand, there's an alternative explanation.

I'm not much of a harridan, yet, but when, god willing, I grow saggy and wrinkled and sprout hair at all the wrong places, I'm still going to remember being fifteen. I'm still going to know exactly the indescribable horror and disgust my fifteen-year-old self would have felt at the touch of an older man.

It's not that my fifteen-year-old self wasn't attracted to 'older men'—those of eighteen, and even some scandalously older ones, up to the shocking age of twenty-five. Thirty looked sickening and obscene, and if someone told me people over forty as much as thought about sex, much less sex with me, I'd have demanded a lobotomy.

So when women of any age shudder at pairings of young girls with mature men, I'd venture it's their inner young thang that does it first, in visceral solidarity with other young thangs. Feminism and other suspicious ideologies need not be involved.

ETA: Speaking of Nabokov, he does a superb job of showing Humbert's delusions about Lolita's enjoying herself.

Well , we agree. When I was a lad home from Vietnam girls were literally thrown at me by their mothers and sisters. Girls need the validation from older guys, like guys need validation from their fathers. When you wink at a young woman she knows she has the right stuff. Young boys dont pack the gear young women want in terms of validation.

I dont think geezers should play with teeny-boppers; its a bad idea for plenty of reasons. But we're not fucking dead! and no one is harmed by a lecherous old eye. Most of us arent the old movie producer in bed with the 12 year old in THE GODFATHER. We just like to think about it. And if my candor makes the fat broads crazy, so be it.

 

[jomar]

Ami, aren't your AVs all in their 20s or 30s?

The natural order has probably always been males and females selecting others around their own age. Otherwise it becomes social conventions for various reasons (short life expectancy, arranged marriages) or personal issues of those involved (abandonment, daddy, mommy, fear of women, etc).

 

[sereneone4u]

Well , we agree. When I was a lad home from Vietnam girls were literally thrown at me by their mothers and sisters. Girls need the validation from older guys, like guys need validation from their fathers. When you wink at a young woman she knows she has the right stuff. Young boys dont pack the gear young women want in terms of validation.

I dont think geezers should play with teeny-boppers; its a bad idea for plenty of reasons. But we're not fucking dead! and no one is harmed by a lecherous old eye. Most of us arent the old movie producer in bed with the 12 year old in THE GODFATHER. We just like to think about it. And if my candor makes the fat broads crazy, so be it.

Delusional, much?

As a young teen, an older man to me meant a guy in his early twenties, not a man in his thirties or his forties or, god forbid, his fifties and on upward. I just turned forty this year and I just now find men in their late forties, some in their early fifties attractive. On the other hand, I also find men in their late twenties and early thirties holding my interest and able to keep up with my libido.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Delusional, much?

As a young teen, an older man to me meant a guy in his early twenties, not a man in his thirties or his forties or, god forbid, his fifties and on upward. I just turned forty this year and I just now find men in their late forties, some in their early fifties attractive. On the other hand, I also find men in their late twenties and early thirties holding my interest and able to keep up with my libido.

I think I'm on the money. I think, too, the issue makes older women nuts because it is true. Female power is sexually based. A 40 year old female has fat and good deeds to look forward to.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Ami, aren't your AVs all in their 20s or 30s?

The natural order has probably always been males and females selecting others around their own age. Otherwise it becomes social conventions for various reasons (short life expectancy, arranged marriages) or personal issues of those involved (abandonment, daddy, mommy, fear of women, etc).

I dont agree. Prosperous males go for firm young thangs who are reproductively fit and ready.

Test it by taking a sample of married couples from any 19th Century Census that lists age.

 

[sereneone4u]

I think I'm on the money. I think, too, the issue makes older women nuts because it is true. Female power is sexually based. A 40 year old female has fat and good deeds to look forward to.

Whatever you need to tell yourself, delusional much?

Plenty of women in their forties are not fat, but yet I bet there are a fair share of fat men in their forties.

The issue does not make this "older" woman feel nuts. If an older man is attracted to a much younger woman, more power to him. We are all entitled to our desires and for that matter, our delusions...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Whatever you need to tell yourself, delusional much?

Plenty of women in their forties are not fat, but yet I bet there are a fair share of fat men in their forties.

The issue does not make this "older" woman feel nuts. If an older man is attracted to a much younger woman, more power to him. We are all entitled to our desires and for that matter, our delusions...

I suspect most men in their 30s and 40s are fat slobs. We're not arguing equity, we're arguing sexual appeal. The teen is firm and fit, has all her teeth, no stretch marks or leg veins, she isnt encrusted with infirmities and exercise/diet barnacles. PLAYBOY has never filled its pages with old broads. The only place you see old broads is in ads for DEPENDS and LIPITOR and AARP. Otherwise neck wattles, saggy boobs and butts, and stomach droop would be the rage.

 

[sereneone4u]

I suspect most men in their 30s and 40s are fat slobs. We're not arguing equity, we're arguing sexual appeal. The teen is firm and fit, has all her teeth, no stretch marks or leg veins, she isnt encrusted with infirmities and exercise/diet barnacles. PLAYBOY has never filled its pages with old broads. The only place you see old broads is in ads for DEPENDS and LIPITOR and AARP. Otherwise neck wattles, saggy boobs and butts, and stomach droop would be the rage.

You are talking about women WAY past their forties, you need to get out of that retirement home more often, dear, lol. Also there are many women in their twenties with the same attributes and although it has been a long time since I have perused a men's magazine, I have seen women in such magazines from the legal age to in their forties.

Now, I will agree that there is a waist-to-hip ratio and other physical signs that tells both males and females that the opposite is prime for breeding, but to lump all women starting in the forties as disgusting cows is beyond the pale.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I invite you to find a comfortable spot in the mall, sit, and pay attention to who waddles past you. Go to WAL-MART and check out the lines.

Its easy to prove me wrong....if I'm wrong!

 

[sereneone4u]

I invite you to find a comfortable spot in the mall, sit, and pay attention to who waddles past you. Go to WAL-MART and check out the lines.

Its easy to prove me wrong....if I'm wrong!

And what do YOU look like? I bet the Lolitas are NOT beating down your door.

I gaurantee you though that younger men hit on me all the time and for that matter, so do men my age and older than me and I know I am not an exception to the rule. I have a couple of single friends that are involved with younger men.

I do see a lot of overweight teens though, especially since I personally have teen-aged kids...one with stretch marks and one that waddles.

 

[Verdad]

As a young teen, an older man to me meant a guy in his early twenties, not a man in his thirties or his forties or, god forbid, his fifties and on upward.

I tried to say the same thing.

I dont think geezers should play with teeny-boppers; its a bad idea for plenty of reasons. But we're not fucking dead! and no one is harmed by a lecherous old eye. Most of us arent the old movie producer in bed with the 12 year old in THE GODFATHER. We just like to think about it. And if my candor makes the fat broads crazy, so be it.

Laughing… Okay. But it's still fascinating to me how some delusions won't die. Mature men's need to believe the young thangs find them wildly appealing runs so strong and resists evidence with such stubbornness that any woman trying to counter it automatically gets discounted as fat, faded, jealous, spiteful, bitter, etc. I don't know if it's funny or scary, more.

But instead of waging that futile war, I'm rather curious about what the deal is with ultra young.

Youth and beauty appeal to everyone, sure, but twenties are young too, and in this age, so are thirties. Yet there are regular complaints around here about the eighteen rule, as if nothing of interest ever happens after that age, and further, in my, um, research of porn, I notice a disturbing abundance of prepubescent look.

Forget about Playboy; Playboy actually featured women. These models are over eighteen, they thanfkully have to be by the law, but they're chosen to look younger and styled to appear like, twelve. Are we still talking 'the eternal appeal of youth' or something pretty fucking weird?

 

[Handley_Page]

Some females of 30-something look absolutely splendid.
As for Lolita, remember how old Juliet was supposed to be ? about 14 !
As recently as 100 years ago, marriages were contracted when the girl was very
young.

 

[sereneone4u]

Some females of 30-something look absolutely splendid.
As for Lolita, remember how old Juliet was supposed to be ? about 14 !
As recently as 100 years ago, marriages were contracted when the girl was very
young.

And how old was Romeo? Not in his sixties!

Yes, when men had more power they where allowed to abuse very young women. Then too, how many of us lived to old age being bred to death?

 

[Verdad]

And how old was Romeo? Not in his sixties!

That's the thing, isn't it? I somehow doubt it's tender, coming-of-age stories between coevals people have in mind the most when they complain about the eighteen rule.

It's rather that "daddy fucks his eighteen year old daughter" isn't outré enough anymore; the daughter should be at least thirteen.