Female Brain vs. Male Brain

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The Female Brain argues that women's brains are wired to nurture.

DIVERGENCES EVIDENT IN MALE, FEMALE BRAINS

We all start out with female brains. It's only when the developing fetus is
"marinated" in testosterone at around eight weeks that male and female
brains diverge. The female brain sprouts connections in areas that govern
communication and emotion, while in the male brain the cells in the
communication centers are pruned and more cells grow in areas that govern
sex and aggression, Brizendine says. In adults:

Women Men

She'll have 11% more neurons in her brain centers for language and hearing
than a man.

She'll use on average 20,000 words a day. He'll use 7,000.

Her space devoted to the sex drive will be two and a half times smaller than
his.

She'll think about sex once a day. He'll think about it every 58 seconds.

Her brain will be 9% smaller than his, but will have the same number of
brain cells, just more tightly packed.

Her principle hub for emotion and memory formation, the hippocampus, will be
larger. His processor at the core of the primitive area of the brain that
registers fear and triggers aggression, the amygdala, will be larger.

Source: The Female Brain
The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine, M.D.
By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
SAN FRANCISCO - Being a woman, says neuropsychiatrist Louann Brizendine, is
like having giant, invisible antennae that reach out into the world,
constantly aware of the emotions and needs of those around you.
Though the antennae are metaphorical, the brain circuitry and hormones that
make women so much more attuned - and some would say beholden to - the
emotions of others are very real.

They're the subject of Brizendine's book, The Female Brain. In it, the
founder of the University of California-San Francisco Women's and Teen
Girls' Mood and Hormone Clinic describes the physical and hormonal
differences in the female brain, from fetus to grandmother. Using studies on
hormones, development and psychology by scientists in multiple fields as
well as her own clinical experience, Brizendine sets out to show the ways in
which the female brain is different from the male brain.

This has always been fraught territory in the arena of gender politics.
Since the 19th century, social wars have raged over whether the sexes are
more alike or different, and, if those differences exist, whether they're
innate or a result of societal expectations.

The female brain is a machine built for connection, Brizendine says. It's a
result of eons of evolution that allowed women to tell what their pre-verbal
infants needed and predict what bigger, more aggressive males were going to
do.

As a scientist and physician who came of age in the 1970s when the mere
notion that brains were anything but unisex was anathema, she's convinced of
the truth of her ideas but still worried that acknowledging differences will
lead to women being discriminated against in the workplace. Yet
acknowledging that women are to some extent hard-wired to nurture is a
positive, not a negative, both for the next generation and for the general
well-being of society, she says.

"There's still the feeling among women who are just hovering below the glass
ceiling that the science described in this book is going to highlight
differences which will hurt their chances of breaking through," Brizendine
says.

For example, just last year Harvard's now-former president Larry Summers
created an enormous controversy when he said that one reason women may not
rise as high in the sciences is that they're not as innately gifted in those
areas.

Janet Hyde, a professor of psychology and women's studies at the University
of Wisconsin-Madison, has written extensively on what she calls "the gender
similarities hypothesis." Numerous studies have found that except in a very
few areas - physical strength, physical aggression, incidences of
masturbation and attitudes about casual sex - on the whole men and women are
much more alike than they are different.

"If you make the argument that 'Gosh, our brains are totally different and
we're totally different and yet we want equal access to medical school and
we want equal pay for equal work,' " women will pay a price in advancement,
Hyde says.

But others clearly see differences. Whether those differences are based on
genetics, hormones or some interplay of the two isn't yet known, says Sandra
Witelson, a cognitive neuroscientist at the Michael G. DeGroote School of
Medicine at McMaster University in Canada.

"There are clear differences in the brain between men and women, both in the
structure and anatomy and the chemistry, which includes hormones and
neurotransmitters and what's connected to what," she says.

She cites girls who have a hormone disorder that causes them to have higher
testosterone levels in utero. "In these girls, their play patterns, their
spatial ability and even their sexual orientation are much closer to the
male pattern."

But while sex-based differences are clearly present, David Rubinow, chairman
of the department of psychiatry at the University of North Carolina at
Chapel Hill, says those differences don't exclude the effect of
non-sex-related factors involving biology, culture or the environment.

It's discussing the "Mommy brain" that's most controversial in some
quarters. Brizendine catalogs the hormonal cascades triggered by being
pregnant, nursing and simply being constantly physical with children.
Fathers who spend lots of time with their children and adoptive mothers also
get the one-two neurological-hormonal punch, but it's strongest in those who
give birth and nurse, Brizendine says.

And in a country where women are educated at higher rates than men, society
has not done a good job of figuring out how to integrate the child-rearing
portion of their lives into the world of work, she says.

"We need to find a place in our society for working mothers with young
children that acknowledges their life stage." And it is only a stage - five
to eight years - not their entire lives, Brizendine says.

The last thing Brizendine wants to say is that biology is destiny.

"Having a deeper understanding of what those hormones are doing to the
opposite sex should give us a better understanding of male and female
behavior and let men and women both be allowed to maximize all kind of
choices."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2006-08-21-female-brain_x.
 
Kajira Callista said:
The Female Brain argues that women's brains are wired to nurture.

DIVERGENCES EVIDENT IN MALE, FEMALE BRAINS

We all start out with female brains.......


I need more coffee, and must work late tonight - but I WILL be back

:kiss:
 
This is great. I knew all this, but it's been a while since I've thought about it. (They insisted we learn this stuff in premarital counseling.)
 
Is it supposed to be consciously thinking about sex every 58 seconds? Cause that really seems out there. I'm a male that's very perverted myself and I don't think about sex nearly every minute.
 
YANKEE DAN said:
Is it supposed to be consciously thinking about sex every 58 seconds? Cause that really seems out there. I'm a male that's very perverted myself and I don't think about sex nearly every minute.

I am female and I am pretty sure I do.

It always seems to be ticking away at the back of my mind no matter what I am doing.
 
I can just imagine myself trying to take a test under those circumstances. Every 58 seconds a flash from a porno film pops in my head and I lose my train of thought. After the test I go up to the teacher and say "Could I get some extra credit? I couldn't concentrate, I'm male."
 
interesting information. thank you.

i'm one of those people who apparently was "bathed in testosterone" while in utero. i wish there were a little more information given about that.
 
Females have higher MA, so obviously the only good spellcasters are female.
I guarentee you nobody will get where that reference is from :p

any-way, I have always believed that social conditioning is by far the dominant trait in any person's development, although in differing levels depending on the person.

DNA doesn't change very quickly at *all* unless you're bombarding it with gamma rays, yet through our society's development we see attitudes of different cultres' changing at an extremely rapid rate (compared to the rate at which a species will evolve)

This is of course half of why I dislike biology, barely a science, IMO, since all they do is study current configurations, not the rules that drive configurations to be, for the most part.

Nobody studies whether or not non-carbon based life could be possible, why? because there isn't any on earth :rolleyes:
 
Kajira Callista said:
The Female Brain argues that women's brains are wired to nurture.

DIVERGENCES EVIDENT IN MALE, FEMALE BRAINS

We all start out with female brains. It's only when the developing fetus is
"marinated" in testosterone at around eight weeks that male and female
brains diverge.

and at about 12 weeks we males get this "thingy" to figure out what to do with... :D

Boy or Girl? The Development of the Fetal Genitals

by Marjorie Greenfield, M.D.
reviewed by Marjorie Greenfield, M.D.
One of our images of childbirth is the first view of the baby's private parts and the announcement, "It's a girl" or "It's a boy." Now, by seeing the genitals on ultrasound, many couples are finding out the baby's sex well before birth.

When the genitals begin to form
Male and female genital systems are identical through the sixth week of gestation or the eighth week of your pregnancy. By week 12 to 14, your baby's external genitalia are recognizably male or female, but they're still not completely formed. On ultrasound, if your baby is cooperating and is positioned in a favorable way, his or her sex can be identified as early as the 16th to 18th week of your pregnancy. Of course, if your baby is "hiding his stuff" (positioned in such a way as to prevent identification), it will make no difference how far along in your pregnancy you are--you won't find out your baby's sex.

Details of genital development
During the first few weeks of pregnancy, your baby's internal and external genital structures are the same, regardless of whether you are ultimately going to have a boy or a girl. The gonads will become ovaries or testicles, the phallus will become a clitoris or a penis, and the genital folds will become labia or scrotum.

Early in pregnancy, sex cannot be determined by ultrasound, but a baby destined to be a girl will have two X sex chromosomes; that which is destined to be a boy, an X and a Y. These chromosomes are what determines how your baby will develop from the day of conception onward, and they allow for the sex of your baby to be determined if procedures such as amniocentesis need to be performed at any time during your pregnancy.

Female development will occur unless maleness is actively induced by the Y chromosome. In females, the gonads become ovaries; the uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, and vagina form; the labia develop; and the phallus becomes a clitoris.

In males, the Y chromosome causes the gonads to develop into testicles, which start to produce the male hormone testosterone by 9 to 10 weeks of pregnancy. Testosterone leads to development of the penis and scrotum and the internal tubular system that will later carry sperm. Another hormone produced by the testicles, anti-mullerian hormone (AMH), inhibits the development of a uterus and vagina. In boys, the testicles remain inside the abdomen until late in the third trimester, when they usually descend into the scrotum.
 
Aeroil said:
Females have higher MA, so obviously the only good spellcasters are female.
I guarentee you nobody will get where that reference is from :p

any-way, I have always believed that social conditioning is by far the dominant trait in any person's development, although in differing levels depending on the person.

DNA doesn't change very quickly at *all* unless you're bombarding it with gamma rays, yet through our society's development we see attitudes of different cultres' changing at an extremely rapid rate (compared to the rate at which a species will evolve)

This is of course half of why I dislike biology, barely a science, IMO, since all they do is study current configurations, not the rules that drive configurations to be, for the most part.

Nobody studies whether or not non-carbon based life could be possible, why? because there isn't any on earth :rolleyes:

wow, what an ignorant post. take a few biology courses and then revisit the subject.
 
Kajira Callista said:
...<snip>...
She cites girls who have a hormone disorder that causes them to have higher
testosterone levels in utero. "In these girls, their play patterns, their
spatial ability and even their sexual orientation are much closer to the
male pattern." ...<snip>...

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2006-08-21-female-brain_x.


WHO SAID IT WAS A HORMONE DISORDER????? :confused: :eek:

I'm convinced I was bathed in testosterone in utero - and the beard I shave almost daily confirms for me that my pores sucked in more than the usual amount. I also believe the higher infusion of testosterone is responsible for my desire of women and my many other very "male" characteristics. (Ok, no male sex organs ... all of mine are definitely female! What?? I have children! :eek: )

Yes, men and women are different. Obviously, genetics determines the sexes. Confining little girls to dresses, dolls and tea parties and boys to jeans, soldiers and fighting seems unfair - without knowing the percentage of testosterone vs estrogen in each child. It never occurred to me that there was biological basis for the "tom-boy" I grew up as ... or the aggressive, physically strong female I am now. It's also interesting to see how biology in utero could affect those who live gay, lesbian and bi-sexual. Perhaps there is no connection at all ...

But - playing Dr. with the girl next door at 6, falling in love with my best girlfriend at 9 and never straying far from the joys of intimacy with women - tell me that there may, indeed, be some truth to sexual orientation beginning in the womb.

IMHO, society may be able to convince people to ignore their biology and/or hormones, but more often than not - one or both of those win out. That's when we open up to embrace our complete sexuality and experience the beauty within.

Esclava :rose:
 
Shankara20 said:
and at about 12 weeks we males get this "thingy" to figure out what to do with... :D

[hijack]The other day while I was peeing my son (age 3) comes running in, holding his penis. Obviously he was gonna pee on me if I didn't get up, so I did quickly. But I still needed to go, so I was standing around, waiting for him to finish. He looked up at me, then down to his penis and said "Mine." I nodded and said "Yep. That's yours." Very proudly he said "Mine." I said "D, no one wants it." Then he finished and I sat down to finish. He was standing in the mirror, admiring his penis, and reminding me it was his. Finally I said "That's your penis." "My pee-nish?" he asked. "Yep, your penis." He turned back around to look again and then said, "I wanna see B's (my four year old girl) penis.", and ran for the door. I barely caught him before he went and tried to talk B into letting him see her penis. :rolleyes: [/hijack]
 
Hester said:
interesting information. thank you.

i'm one of those people who apparently was "bathed in testosterone" while in utero. i wish there were a little more information given about that.


You are NOT one of those people.

You sound like a female Kramer, "I was bathed in testosterone, Jerry! In utero!"

I'm sick of women trying to convince themselves that they're males.

Just cause you NEED one, doesn't mean you ARE one.
 
Aeroil said:
This is of course half of why I dislike biology, barely a science, IMO, since all they do is study current configurations, not the rules that drive configurations to be, for the most part.

Nobody studies whether or not non-carbon based life could be possible, why? because there isn't any on earth :rolleyes:

You puerile twit, there are plenty of people who theorize on the possibility of non-carbon based life. The fact that life on earth is carbon based wouldn't even be in your rolodex if there weren't. Unfortunately, I imagine it's hard to study something with no record of existing and there isn't exactly a lot of money for it.

And when silicon based life forms start participating in the economy, J&J will take care of them.
 
Esclava said:
I'm convinced I was bathed in testosterone in utero - and the beard I shave almost daily confirms for me that my pores sucked in more than the usual amount.

OK, you might've had the bath.

Esclava said:
Yes, men and women are different. Obviously, genetics determines the sexes. Confining little girls to dresses, dolls and tea parties and boys to jeans, soldiers and fighting seems unfair - without knowing the percentage of testosterone vs estrogen in each child. It never occurred to me that there was biological basis for the "tom-boy" I grew up as ... or the aggressive, physically strong female I am now. It's also interesting to see how biology in utero could affect those who live gay, lesbian and bi-sexual. Perhaps there is no connection at all ...

But - playing Dr. with the girl next door at 6, falling in love with my best girlfriend at 9 and never straying far from the joys of intimacy with women - tell me that there may, indeed, be some truth to sexual orientation beginning in the womb.

IMHO, society may be able to convince people to ignore their biology and/or hormones, but more often than not - one or both of those win out. That's when we open up to embrace our complete sexuality and experience the beauty within.

Esclava :rose:

That's interesting, I've often wondered about this. If we could determine a person's position on the gender spectrum with a simple hormone test, could we discriminate them based on that?

What if you had to test at least 80% male to be in the military. It wouldn't exclude all females, but wouldn't include all males! Only the butchest portion of our population may defend us!
 
Hester said:
wow, what an ignorant post. take a few biology courses and then revisit the subject.

Marquis said:
You puerile twit, there are plenty of people who theorize on the possibility of non-carbon based life. The fact that life on earth is carbon based wouldn't even be in your rolodex if there weren't. Unfortunately, I imagine it's hard to study something with no record of existing and there isn't exactly a lot of money for it.

And when silicon based life forms start participating in the economy, J&J will take care of them.

Heeh, okay, now that I think about it more than for a few moments before I rush out for work, I retract most of my statements, Hester is right, but my dislike of biology remains.
 
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Kajira Callista said:
"There's still the feeling among women who are just hovering below the glass
ceiling that the science described in this book is going to highlight
differences which will hurt their chances of breaking through," Brizendine
says.

For example, just last year Harvard's now-former president Larry Summers
created an enormous controversy when he said that one reason women may not
rise as high in the sciences is that they're not as innately gifted in those
areas.

Janet Hyde, a professor of psychology and women's studies at the University
of Wisconsin-Madison, has written extensively on what she calls "the gender
similarities hypothesis." Numerous studies have found that except in a very
few areas - physical strength, physical aggression, incidences of
masturbation and attitudes about casual sex - on the whole men and women are
much more alike than they are different.

"If you make the argument that 'Gosh, our brains are totally different and
we're totally different and yet we want equal access to medical school and
we want equal pay for equal work,' " women will pay a price in advancement,
Hyde says.

Different does not mean less capable. It means different. I can't speak for human medicine, but at Colorado State University Veterinary Program, in 1990's, about 60% of the incoming freshman classes were female. Looks like there are a few women out there who do want to go into medicine.


Marquis said:
I'm sick of women trying to convince themselves that they're males. Just cause you NEED one, doesn't mean you ARE one.

Good gravy! Why on earth would I want to be male? I may not have the physical strength for some types of work, but how much physical heavy lifting is there in being a CEO?
 
Private_Label said:
Good gravy! Why on earth would I want to be male? I may not have the physical strength for some types of work, but how much physical heavy lifting is there in being a CEO?

If you're a CEO, then give me a fucking job for christ's sakes.
 
Marquis said:
If you're a CEO, then give me a fucking job for christ's sakes.

If I were a CEO I wouldn't have the time to be posting here. I'd be in meetings all the time. (But if I were I would give you a job.)
 
Private_Label said:
Different does not mean less capable. It means different. I can't speak for human medicine, but at Colorado State University Veterinary Program, in 1990's, about 60% of the incoming freshman classes were female. Looks like there are a few women out there who do want to go into medicine.




Good gravy! Why on earth would I want to be male? I may not have the physical strength for some types of work, but how much physical heavy lifting is there in being a CEO?

Prostate.

^_^
 
Private_Label said:
If I were a CEO I wouldn't have the time to be posting here. I'd be in meetings all the time. (But if I were I would give you a job.)


Do you think that's how it really is?

"meetings all the time"

That's gotta get old.
 
Marquis said:
Do you think that's how it really is?

"meetings all the time"

That's gotta get old.

It seems to work for the area Marketing Manager (used to be called the Area VP) for my company. Especially considering that his Administrative assistance is the one that keeps track of the day to day operation and does the forms and whatnot that is actually his responsibility.
 
Marquis said:
You are NOT one of those people.

You sound like a female Kramer, "I was bathed in testosterone, Jerry! In utero!"

I'm sick of women trying to convince themselves that they're males.

Just cause you NEED one, doesn't mean you ARE one.
ha! kramer. lol.

i actually do have too much testosterone, clinically speaking. got a diagnosis from a doc and everything.

i'm not saying i'm male, but i have a lot of male traits. i also have a lot of female traits, but not all of them. for example, never ONCE felt the mommy urge, although i am a very nurturing person. i identify physically/sexually as a woman but consider myself to be more truly androgynous in other realms.

Numerous studies have found that except in a very
few areas - physical strength, physical aggression, incidences of
masturbation and attitudes about casual sex - on the whole men and women are
much more alike than they are different.
physical strength---check, physical aggression---check, attitude about casual sex---check, incidences of masturbation---need i say more?

She cites girls who have a hormone disorder that causes them to have higher testosterone levels in utero. "In these girls, their play patterns, their
spatial ability and even their sexual orientation are much closer to the
male pattern."
this stuff too. i never played with dolls. it was all trucks and building toys and beating up the boys and rolling in the mud when i was a kid. my spatial abilities exceed that of most men.
 
Aeroil said:
Heeh, okay, now that I think about it more than for a few moments before I rush out for work, I retract most of my statements, Hester is right, but my dislike of biology remains.
fair enough :)
 
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