Fear: Get over it.

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I was raised by a mother with germ phobia. That, combined with a church that taught one was unclean from within led to my becoming the worst housekeeper and 'sinner' :) . I don't buy cleaning products besides soap and spray cleaners. I daresay germ-phobia is not at odds with our terror-alert system. Fear is crap. - Perdita

Germs, Germs Everywhere. Are You Worried? Get Over It - MARY ROACH, NYT, 11.9.2004

I saw a television advertisement recently for a new product called an air sanitizer. A woman stood in her kitchen, spraying the empty space in front of her as though using Mace against an imaginary assailant. She appeared very determined. Where others are satisfied with antibacterial-laced sponges, dish soaps, hand sanitizers and telephone wipes, here was a woman who sought to sterilize the air itself.

As a casual student of microbiology, I find it hard to escape the absurdity here. This woman is, like any human being, home to hundreds of trillions of bacteria. Bacteria make up a solid third, by weight, of the contents of her intestines. If you were to sneak into her bathroom while she was showering - and based on my general impression of this woman from the advertisement, I don't recommend this - and secret away a teaspoon of the water at her feet, you would find some 820 billion bacteria. Bacteria are unavoidably, inevitably - and, usually, utterly benignly - a part of our world. (Statistics courtesy of a University of Arizona microbiologist, Dr. Charles P. Gerba, a man who gave his son the middle name Escherichia, the E in E. coli.)

The fantasy of a germ-free home is not only absurd, but it is also largely pointless. Unless you share your home with someone very old, very young (under 6 months) or very ill, the few hundred bacteria on a countertop, doorknob or spoon pose no threat. The bacteria that cause food poisoning, the only significant rational bacterial worry in the average home, need to multiply into the thousands or millions before they can overwhelm your immune system and cause symptoms. The only way common food poisoning bacteria can manage this is to spend four or five hours reproducing at room temperature in something moist that you then eat. If you are worried about food poisoning, the best defense is the refrigerator. If you don't make a habit of eating perishable food that has been left out too long, don't worry about bacteria.

Viruses are slightly different. You need only pick up a few virus particles to infect yourself with a cold or flu, and virus particles can survive on surfaces for days. So disinfecting the surfaces in the home should, in theory, reduce the chances of picking up a bug. (Some antibacterial products also kill viruses.) In practice, the issue is less clear. A study by Dr. Elaine Larson at the Columbia School of Nursing called into question the usefulness of antibacterial products for the home. In New York, 224 households, each with at least one preschooler, were randomly assigned to two groups. One group used antibacterial cleaning, laundry and hand-washing products. The other used ordinary products. For 48 weeks, the groups were monitored for seven symptoms of colds, flu and food poisoning - and found to be essentially the same. According to Dr. Gerba's research, an active adult touches an average of 300 surfaces every 30 minutes. You cannot win at this. You will become obsessive-compulsive. Just wash your hands with soap and water a few times a day, and leave it at that.

I suspect that a minority of the Americans who buy antigerm wipes and sanitizers are motivated by concerns over food poisoning or colds and the flu. Their behavior is a product not so much of prudence, but of phobia. Phobias are irrational fears, wrought of the union of dread and misunderstanding. People see a headline - an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 at a hamburger chain, say - and they start to worry. In the case of bacteria, they cannot see the source of their worry, and they do not know much about it, so they go overboard. They add a few more "wiping events," as the cleanser market researchers say, to their daily routines. Where there is an irrational fear, there is a product-development team to fan it and feed it and exploit it.

According to the research firm Mintel International, 11 new home antibacterial products have appeared on the market this year, more than twice the number in 2003. It is the biggest marketing coup since bottled water. The makers of antibacterial products are fond of the word "germs." It is purposefully vague. Do they mean bacteria? Viruses? Both? Neither? Because the idea is simply to connote contamination. These products are as much about cooties as they are about viruses or bacteria.

Contamination is in many ways a psychological construct. It is the notion that our belongings or our loved ones can become unclean by the mere touch of a stranger. Nothing is actually transferred by the touch. The contamination is symbolic, magical, irrational. It makes sense that the extravagantly rich - Howard Hughes or Donald Trump, for instance - are our most notorious germphobics, people made uncomfortable by the thought of shaking a stranger's hand. The higher you rise and the better sequestered you are from the "unwashed masses," the smaller and dirtier the average Joe must begin to seem. Other human beings become our germs.

A plea, then, for a little calm, a little rationality. Try to look upon bacteria as did their discoverer, Antoni van Leeuwenhoek, "For me, this was among all the marvels that I discovered in nature the most marvelous of all, and I must say, that for my part, no more pleasant sight has met my eye than this of so many thousand living creatures in one small drop of water."

Mary Roach is the author of "Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers."
 
The cartoon's good, but I wouldn't be suprised to see products just like that on the market soon. Not surprised at all.

My house is relatively clean, but I've never subscribed to all the anti-bacterial, sanitizing stuff. With two boys, I know I'd be fighting a losing battle anyway.

Funny, they don't seem to get any sicker than any other kids, in fact, actually seem to be sick less than others. Hmm....
 
*LOL*

Well bacteria don't bother me in the slightest.

My mother has always said

"You have to eat a pinch of muck before you go."

Which (to me at least) translates as

"Life's to short about worring about a little diry being digested here and there!"

Very interesting article Perdita -cheers :)
 
Perdita

You have to love the Author - what a fun date she would be.

(For those who haven't - read to the bottom of the article.)
 
LOL - ok - I am a germ freak, but not to this extent. I just don't want a cold, and since I have not had one in two years . . . when O recently acquired a cold, I promptly removed my toothbrush from beside his - no thank you. As for the air, well, I won't get the cold as long as he doesn't breath into my mouth or wipe his nose and shake my hand - lol.

Anyhow, I had a good laugh at this one P

As for anti-bacterial soaps . . . they actually are not great, they get rid of good bacteria as well as bad ;)
 
So, in a nutshell then, what we're trying to say here, is that it's bollocks!

Right???

:rose: Ya Twat!
 
neonlyte said:
Perdita
You have to love the Author - what a fun date she would be.
(For those who haven't - read to the bottom of the article.)
The book's on my list, I love reading things like that. Do you know the novel, Being Dead by Jim Crace? Very good.

non-morbid, only curious, Perdita :)
 
lewdandlicentious said:
So, in a nutshell then, what we're trying to say here, is that it's bollocks!
Everything's bollocks to a twat. :p
 
A sane article. Immune systems are confronted by fresh challenges all the time as the microscopic neighbors mutate gently over time. They acquire robustness by constantly being in the soup, as cloudy suggests, and E.L., too, in another way.

Foodborne pathogens are the result of preventable missteps in the handling of food and what are known as "food products." These are on the rise now as deregulation proceeds.

But environmental cleanliness in an ordinary unforced way is quite sufficient. Care in selecting and handling foods will need to be emphasized more during the ascendancy of the Republicans, though.

cantdog
 
When I was younger - not much younger but about 30 years ago - there were a number of products that claimed the benefits of chlorophyll - toothpastes, soap, shampoos, detergents, deodorants etc.

The fashion died when stand-up comics started suggesting that camels and goats were massive consumers of chlorophyll and have you ever smelled their breath?

Killing bacteria is today's version.

Og
 
Ogg, when I was much younger there were ads on tv and in magazines with doctors proclaiming how healthy menthol cigarettes were.

Perdita
 
perdita said:
The book's on my list, I love reading things like that. Do you know the novel, Being Dead by Jim Crace? Very good.

non-morbid, only curious, Perdita :)

Nope, they both go on the list but when do I make the time?
 
I don't know... there are so many chemical-ridden germ-killers, pesticides, bacteria-busters etc. around these days that it's no wonder so many people are getting cancer. And look at all the kids with food allergies, asthma and exzema... All the ones I've met have had parents who are hygiene freaks.

I don't have any of those, and for what it's worth I spent most of my teenage years sat in my dog's bed while making phone calls.
 
Which all goes towards my own personal theory about the new super-bug in hospitals: MRSA.

Like EL says eating muck is inevitable. Ridding all places of germs only makes them mutate so that they can live where you're cleaning.

Florence NIghtingale has a lot to answer for.

Gauche
 
Yep, this is so true. We all need to be exposed to a certain amount of bacteria and plain old muck, most definitely early in life. It's the only way we build up a strong immune system.

I'm not saying we should all be dirty and unhygienic, Gods no! Especially with babies and young children. But, obssessive cleaning can lead to irradicating the very bacteria that ultimately help us, resulting in many niggly illnesses.

My mother-in-law is a prime example of this. She's always got her antibac wipes out, and is so fussy! Drives me crazy, in fact. But I have never known a person to get so many colds and cases of the 'flu each year. And she has the 'flu jab!

I haven't had a cold in four years. I always said I was a dirty bitch. :eek:

Lou

P.S. Lew: Bollocks to ya, ya Twat!!! :p ;) :kiss: :rose:
 
As another German American, nope germs haven't killed me but the traffic here in South Florida might.

Gauch, while I agree with the intent of your comments, I don't think it's Florence that has to answer for this but the many people who just have the urge to call their doc and demand he give little Johny an Anti-Biotic because he has the cold. This is one of the main reasons Bacteria become resistant.

As for the clean freaks and childhood illnesses. Many of you here have hit that nail squarly(sp) on their parents heads. When Mummsy and Dudsy keep little Muffy and Buffy inside because it's too windy out, or it might rain out, or they might get their preciouse clothes dirty they aren't doing their kids any favors. In fact they are setting them up for getting sick later on. If those kids are outside, running around, playing with other kids, and rolling in the dirt a bit they will get the normal amount of colds, but they will also be building up their immune systems. (Not too mention teach them that they aren't king and queene of the world.) Many of you here I'm sure can remember being tossed out of the house in the morning with the parental edict of go out and play. Unfortunately it's more likely to be go in and play on your TV Game.

As for the handling of food, the old rule of thumb still works. Keep it cold until you cook it, then serve it while it's still hot.

Some of my favorite memories are of eating food we had grown ourselves, sometimes right off the plants. (Anyone here ever pulled a baby ear of corn off the stalk and bit into it? Fantastic.) Then after dinner a bunch of us kids could usually be found out back chasing lightening bugs or playing hide and seek until well after dark. (Coming in we stopped at the hose to wash off our feet. Yes we seemed to always lose our shoes as soon as we hit the door. My mother didn't care except she didn't like us dragging in the remains of Bovine Boquets.) Did us kids get sick? Yep, we even had to visit the doctor occasionaly. Usualy we visited the doc for cuts and burns though, another no no in this day and age.

Cat
 
perdita said:
The book's on my list, I love reading things like that. Do you know the novel, Being Dead by Jim Crace? Very good.

non-morbid, only curious, Perdita :)

Haven't read Crace's, but I've read Roach's. It's wonderfully funny and fascinating as hell.
 
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