Father knows best

[Mustang Sally]

I read an article that discussed the patriarchal attitudes of different countries. You may be surprised at the results.

I don't want to tell you about it now, because that would probably skew the poll, so I'll provide a link for the curious now, and write a brief synopsis for the rest of you later.

Globe and Mail article

 

[Never]

What father?

 

[Todd]

No opinion, because there are no mastership qualifiers to provide what is really being asked.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Never: Yes, well, assuming there is a father.

Todd: That is exactly how the poll the article is talking about appeared. I assume they mean primary decision-maker, etc.

 

[Never]

Yes, well, assuming there isn't..

 

[Cheyenne]

We argued this earlier in the year- this is what groups like the "Promise Keepers" preach.

Surprise, I voted strongly disagree.

 

[Cheyenne]

I found the thread I was thinking about:

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22076&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Lots of good arguments there. My position hasn't changed on the topic.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Ok, screw the poll.

The article is about a social values study done by Canadian company Evironics. Basically, it found that Americans, whom they expected to be leading the established trend in growing away from traditional patriarchy values, were actually far behind.

In 1992, 42 percent of Americans agreed with the "Father as master" sentiment, while just 26 percent of Canadians agreed.

By 1996, the number had dropped to 20 percent in Canada, but amazingly, had increased to 44 percent in the U.S.

In 2000, 48 percent of Americans agreed! (The number in France was 30 percent, down from 61 percent in 1975.)

"The details were even more stunning: Forty-three percent of American women agreed with the statement -- up nine points from 1992. And among baby boomers aged 35 to 44, 48 per cent said dad should be boss, up 12 points over 1992. This was the biggest increase of any age cohort. (Only 15 per cent of younger Canadian boomers take this position -- meaning that the gap between younger Canadian boomers and Americans in this cohort is an astounding 33 points.)"

What do you think?

 

[Cheyenne]

What do you think?

I think they either conducted the poll in the bible belt, or at a meeting of the wives of the Promise Seekers. Or everyone in the poll was over 80 years old.

I don't believe it relative to the % give for American women. Those results would not fit with American women as I know them.

 

[Mustang Sally]

"The United States is regionally divided: New England is least chauvinistic at 29 per cent, followed by the Plains states (36 per cent) and the Midwest (46 per cent). Above the national average are Texarkana (54 per cent) and the Deep South, where 71 per cent believe the gentleman of the house should be master. Most likely to favour the notion of the traditional father are residents of small towns in America (54 per cent)."

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"I suspect many Americans will doubt our findings and question our methodology. Yet in each country we use exactly the same question and poll representative samples of people aged 15 or older."

Take a look at the article.

 

[Never]

What about the Pacific NW and the Pacific SW?

 

[cymbidia]

"The United States is regionally divided: New England is least chauvinistic at 29 per cent, followed by the Plains states (36 per cent) and the Midwest (46 per cent). Above the national average are Texarkana (54 per cent) and the Deep South, where 71 per cent believe the gentleman of the house should be master. Most likely to favour the notion of the traditional father are residents of small towns in America (54 per cent)."

Ummm... doesn't the West even get a mention? I'm pretty sure we're pretty far over into the "least chauvinistic" zone, quite frankly, but to not even rate mentioning seems kinda negligent.

 

[TigerClaw]

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[morninggirl5]

Re: The deep south, eh?

Ok, how do I become a Southerner?

It's a little late I think.......

American by birth, Southern by the grace of God.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: The deep south, eh?

American by birth, Southern by the grace of God.

Hmmmmm.... I'd say it a little differently. Although God's grace is still involved.

"There, but for the grace of God, go I."

I wouldn't make a very good southern lady.

 

[Juspar Emvan]

OK, forget aboput being PC for just a moment. Many men have a need for this in their homes/lives. It's not sexist or chauvanistic, it's just how it is. If a woman has a need to keep a clean house, that's not a bad thing, it's just a thing. Some women don't, well some men don't.

The inclusiuon of the word 'must' in your poll is why I didn't strongly agree. It's not a must, for some men it's a need, that should be met for their happiness. For others it's not. Some relationships can't support this need, then you have to decide what is more important, or come to a compromise. Likewise many women are happy to either allow this for their mens happiness, or are equaly desirous of the situation.

It's all stats, and stats don't apply to individuals. Perhaps it's this sample of people that isn't representative?