father Bush's business ties

[xwizard4]

Judicial Watch, a public interest law firm that investigates government corruption and abuse, was surprised when they saw a wall street journal article detailing former president Bush's business dealings with the bin Laden
family through the Carlyle Group. to see the article click on this

link:[URL=http://davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092901b.html

if this link doesn't work can somebody tell me why?

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Thanks for reminding me to put your posts on my ignore list - I got sidetracked yesterday. I will do it right now.

 

[xwizard4]

c'mon. who else are you going to ridicule? Scared,huh. Chicken,huh. go on. read the article. I dare you.

 

[Problem Child]

Do you really think anyone here takes you seriously?

You post an article by a guy that says Queen Elizabeth and Boxcar Willie are satanists and pedophiles, and you've been trying to figure out HTML tags all week.

go away.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Do you really think anyone here takes you seriously?

You post an article by a guy that says Queen Elizabeth and Boxcar Willie are satanists and pedophiles

Not to mention shape shifting reptilians - plus the article was written by a guy who hears voices. Sheesh.

I don't mind debating people on controversial subjects - in fact I enjoy it usually, but I am not going to bother with people who rely on material from delusional people - they need professional help I am not qualified to give. Plus I don't have the patience.

We need to stop posting/bumping this thread and let it die the death it deserves. Don't feed the trolls - not even the delusional ones.

 

[xwizard4]

obviously, queen elizabeth and boxcar willie couldn't be satanists and paedophiles because.....

 

[Problem Child]

...you actually believe this shit? My God, I was hoping you were pulling our leg.

Keep at it bud...I'm sure you'll have all us sheep convinced sooner or later.

 

[xwizard4]

wall street journal

the article to which i referred is from the wall street journal. its mainstream media. you guys ought to believe every word.

 

[Problem Child]

If it's from the WSJ then post the full link back to the Journal. The link you posted only gets me back to DavidIcke.net.

We already know you're a kook. Prove you're not a liar as well.

 

[xwizard4]

wsj

according to the wsj website, you have to subscribe to read that article on line. the link i gave in the original post takes you right to the article. you don't have to read anything else.

 

[Laurel]

He's right about this one. The WSJ IS reporting that information in print and online.

Judicial Watch, a right-wing activist group, is also reporting it.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624

WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP

FAMILY HAD RENOUNCED TIES TO TERRORIST SON BUT FAMILY STILL UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION

FATHER OF PRESIDENT SHOULD PULL OUT OF INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING FIRM


(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been “disowned” by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and is a major investor in the senior Bush’s firm. Other reports have questioned, though, whether members of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family business’s bank records.

Judicial Watch earlier this year had strongly criticized President Bush’s father’s association with the Carlyle Group, pointing out in a March 5 statement that it was a “conflict of interest (which) could cause problems for America’s foreign policy in Middle East and Asia.” Judicial Watch called for the senior Bush to resign from the firm then.

“This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal. The idea of the President’s father, an ex-president himself, doing business with a company under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

“This has the potential of making ‘Billygate’ (Jimmy Carter’s brother’s dealings with Libya) look like small potatoes,” added Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

See "Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank," by Daniel Golden, James Bandler, and Marcus Walker, The Wall Street Journal, 9/28/01 (www.wsj.com, subscription required).

 

[Problem Child]

Laurel- thank you for validating the kook.

 

[shadowsource]

Carlyle Group is a nasty assemblage -

- of GOP powermongers. It has been for years. For some, it's the equivalent of the new Trilateral Commission. Judicial Watch is a very right-wing gang.

In truth, the bin Laden family is the Saudi equivalent of the Rockefellers. They're involved in any big construction job in Saudi Arabia, and they're currently building a big complex in Amman (where Osama b L wanted to blow up all the hotels for the Millennium). There's no evidence thus far that the bin Laden company has done anything illegal, and it's agreed that Osama's formal stake in the venture has tapped out, though it's absolutely possible that some of his 50+ siblings (!) are slipping him a few million when he needs it.

 

[shadowsource]

From Hoover's Online:

With former US Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci as its chairman, it's no surprise that The Carlyle Group is drawn to defense. Defense and aerospace firms such as United Defense Industries make up a significant share of the world's largest private equity firm's portfolio. Also represented are information technology (Federal Data), health care, real estate, and bottling companies. Since Carlucci joined in 1989, a host of staffers from the Reagan and first Bush administrations have stinted at the company, including ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-budget chief Richard Darman. Former President Bush and former UK Prime Minister John Major have also made appearances

 

[shadowsource]

From some Socialists:

NOTE: I don't know this group, but this piece is well-written and accurate, so far as I recall from reading much about the Carlyle Group. And if you're a former public employee in California and your pension money is with CALPERS, you're got some of the $450 million that CALPERS has invested with Carlyle!.

The Carlyle Group: ex-government officials cash in
By Shannon Jones
16 May 2001
World Socialist Web Site: wsws.org

The incestuous ties between the Bush administration and the corporate world are highlighted by its relationship with the Carlyle Group, a leading private equity firm.

Private equity companies buy undervalued businesses and then resell them for a profit. It is a highly profitable field open to only the wealthiest players. It has returned an average profit of 34 percent per year over the past decade.

The Carlyle Group became a major force on the world financial scene by employing prominent ex-officeholders, such as former President George Bush, to provide a foot in the door to government ministries around the world.

Recent activities of the senior Bush include a meeting last fall with King Fahd of Saudi Arabia. Bush also met with the prime minister of South Korea and other government officials, paving the way for Carlyle to acquire KorAm Bank, considered an important prize because of its relatively strong financial position. Each speech he gives on behalf of Carlyle generally nets the former president $80,000 to $100,000.

Carlyle's ties to the Bush family date back more than a decade. In 1990 Carlyle placed George W. Bush on the board of directors of one of its subsidiaries, Caterair, an airline catering company.

Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, commented, “Carlyle is as deeply wired into the current administration as they can possibly be. George Bush is getting money from private interests that have business before the government, while his son is president. And, in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments.”

In addition to the elder Bush, Carlyle employs former Secretary of State James Baker and former British Prime Minister John Major. The firm's advisory board lists such international figures as former President Fidel Ramos of the Philippines and the former prime minister of Thailand. Karl Otto Pohl, former president of Germany's Bundesbank, is also an advisor.

According to a report in the March 5 edition of the New York Times, “Carlyle has ownership stakes in 164 companies which last year employed more than 70,000 people and generated $16 billion in revenues. About 450 institutions—mainly large pension funds and banks—are Carlyle investors...

“The California state pension fund invested $305 million with Carlyle, and the Texas teachers pension fund—whose board was appointed when George W. Bush was governor—gave Carlyle $100 million to invest in November.”

Carlyle is reportedly the eleventh largest defense contractor in the US because of its ownership of companies making tanks, aircraft wings and other equipment. It is also heavily invested in telecommunications, another field that is strongly affected by government policy.

Frank Carlucci, a former defense secretary under President Ronald Reagan, who is Carlyle's chairman, met with his former college classmate Donald Rumsfeld, Bush's secretary of defense, in February. The two reportedly spoke about “military matters” at a time when Carlyle has billions of dollars worth of defense projects under consideration by the government.

Carlyle is currently pushing for funding of the Crusader heavy-duty tank, which is built by one of the companies it owns. Carlyle recently lodged a complaint with the government after another one of its companies lost a $4 billion contract to make a lightweight combat vehicle.

 

[WriterDom]

The bin Laden group was hired to rebuild the US military housing facility in Saudi in 1996. So I guess that means they work for Clinton also.

 

[lavender]

 

[Problem Child]

So we know Daddy Bush is in tight with the Saudi's and is on lots of corporate boards, and is firmly ensconced in the military industrial complex.

We know that Daddy Bush was tight with the Saudis during the gulf war, because we needed their bases to conduct operations into Iraq.

We know that former government officials of both parties go on to high positions in defense corporations. This is not a big surprise.

We know that we need the Saudis as allies right now, so they can help us track down Osama and his gang.

We know that the Bin Laden family is rich as hell, and controls most of the construction in Saudi Arabia.

We know that the Bin Laden family has publicly disowned Osama and yanked his passport and the Saudis seem to be co-operating with us in trying to track down Osama, and have broken all relations with the Taliban.

It seems to me that maybe having Daddy bush in tight with the Saudis is a good thing for us right now.

At this point I really don't care who is with us, as long as the right people get killed.

So maybe somebody can tell me what the fucking point of the original post of this thread was....

 

[lavender]

 

[xwizard4]

problem child

as long as the right people get killed?! are you saying if we kill enough of the
"right people" we'll have righted the wrongs of 9/11. peace, brother.

 

[Problem Child]

IF we don't know if Daddy Laden and little Laden really have cut ties than any business the West gives to Daddy Laden may be spreading to Little Pussy-Depraved Laden. And therefore, it's a conflict of interest if the father of the President of the United States continues ties with Sir Daddy Laden.

You are treading dangerously close to a double standard. I didn't want to bring Clinton into this, but his entire political career had the "appearance" of impropriety, from whitewater, to filegate, to a dozen other scandals. He was accused of everything from fraud to rape, but was never convicted of anything.

The Bin Laden family, from what I've seen is held in high regard by most people. Osama is their black sheep. Until there is proof that the family is still supporting Osama in his terrorist activities, the I think that GHW Bush should be given the same benefit of the doubt that many people in this country were willing to give to Bill Clinton, especially if the ties that Bush has with the Bin Laden family help us get closer to finding and killing their terrorist son.

This is one circumstance where I think that even if our allies are less than upstanding, we need to use them to achieve our final objective, whether they be the Saudis or the Iranians, or the Pakistanis, or the Russians.

If we get all mushy about having only lily-white virgins in our coalition, Osama and others will be laughing at us all the way to their next terrorist attack.

 

[lavender]

 

[Problem Child]

Re: problem child

as long as the right people get killed?! are you saying if we kill enough of the
"right people" we'll have righted the wrongs of 9/11. peace, brother.

Shut up, nutjob. I only debate people who don't base their everyday lives around quatrains and astrology.

That lets you right out.

 

[Problem Child]

PC-kins

Read my whole post. I'm not treading dangerously close. I'm just showing you what the point was. I clearly stated at the beginning that I really don't care about this.

And I guess I knew what the point was without you telling me, so my bad.

And don't call me PC-kins. It grates.

luv ya

 

[lavender]