Fat Perceptions.

[English Lady]

I've watched a couple of matches lately and people inthe crowd have been chanting "You fat bastard" at this guy (Wayne Rooney)

http://www.manutdpics.com/thumbnail.php?mediaid=41280


And it just astounds me that they can say that about a well built guy who has to be in peak fitness to play his game.

Also we know from Joe's thread thatdove are doing the campaign for real beauty and there is a poster which says Fat or fit for the lady in the attached picture below. My mind boggles at how anyone could think she looked fat!!

So does the perception of "fat" affect you when you're writing? do you keep to the media's perfect thin image when you write your characters or do you not think about it at all?

What do you think is "fat" and could you write a sexy story about a "fat" person? (we've had a thread on that before I think)

Also do you think the perception of fathas changed in the past few years and does that reflect in the stories you read here or write yourself?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I try to stay away from descriptions of most of my characters, hoping that the readers will supply their own favorite images, but I'm afraid that most of the time while I'm writing my women all look like centerfolds and my men like Greek gods. That's just the default way I think of them.

I'm writing a story now in which the woman's lover is a big, kind of sloppy guy. He's supposed to be, because I want him to be like an anti-figure when compared to her perfect husband, whom she loathes for his perfection. The big guy's an overwhelming lover in every sense though, so his size is kind of metaphorical too.

I know that there are guys into BBW, and I think I could probably write a story about them, but it really doesn't have any special appeal to me, so I stay away.

---dr.M.

 

[impressive]

I purposely avoid physical descriptions that cater to the Cosmo standards of beauty. I want my characters REAL -- so if I mention it at all, I use terms like "full" or "plush" -- and only refer to physique in terms of fitness.

 

[English Lady]

2 replies that are almost opposite already

I like the idea of the story you're writing DR M it sounds interesting

I notice both of you say you try not to do greatly deep descriptions... I do the same, only giving a few details as I go along. Best to let the reader imagine who the like than give them an image that might turn them off?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

So does the perception of "fat" affect you when you're writing? do you keep to the media's perfect thin image when you write your characters or do you not think about it at all?

I typically have very specific images of the characters I write, but more often than not the only details I include about them are hair color, eye color, sometimes height and if they are memorably slender or more svelte. "Fat" is so subjective from person to person that it just never enters my consciousness as to how they appear to the reader. I think people project their wants onto a likable character anyway.

I'm of the opinion that the media's perception of "fat" is what I consider healthy. I'm not at all attracted to skin and bones women and often think they look sick or mal-nourished. *shrugs*

What do you think is "fat" and could you write a sexy story about a "fat" person? (we've had a thread on that before I think)

I've never really thought about what I think is "fat". I guess it's because I know there's a story behind every pound and my perception of "fat" is sort of the extreme of glandular malfunctions or severe overeating, i.e. overweight in an unhealthy way.

I don't know if it's arrogance or the fact that I'm typically not that visually stimulated, but I think any character can be convincing. I absolutely think I could write a story about a character whose body type was less than lean. In my opinion, it's all about who that character is and what they bring to the story, be it in a 115 lb. frame or a 225 lb. frame.

Also do you think the perception of fat has changed in the past few years and does that reflect in the stories you read here or write yourself?

Yes, I think the general perception of fat has changed, but I feel like people are finally starting to get real. The super-model and pin-up of the last ten years has become so thin that it's pretty much unobtainable for the average person. Most people I've spoken to in regards to what's attractive and what's not, seem to be moving away from that 'over-skinny' mindset. It's still got a ways to go, imo, but perhaps in time.

I happen to love curvy women and am not in the least put off by what some would consider "fat". I guess that's not normal, but I just don't see lush people as unattractive. *shrugs*

I think most stories here are written very idealistically and with a fairly healthy splash of 'Hollywood', meaning the bulk of characters are lean, mean, fucking machines.

~lucky

 

[Wildcard Ky]

I don't get into a lot of physical description. However, I don't subscribe to the popular notion of what a womans shape should be. I like curves and soft places. If I were given the choice of a skinny woman, or a woman that was 20 pounds over weight, I'd take the 20 over every time.

 

[matriarch]

Re: Re: Fat Perceptions.

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I happen to love curvy women and am not in the least put off by what some would consider "fat". I guess that's not normal, but I just don't see lush people as unattractive. *shrugs*

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~lucky

When did I last tell you I love you???



Mat 'The Weeble'

 

[ABSTRUSE]

My fat is who I am.

 

[impressive]

My fat is who I am.

It's where the cellular memories are stored.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I realized when completing my latest (and is that 72 hours after posting not the longest in existence?), around about the last page, that I did not even know the hair color of one of my main characters, and only mentioned the other on that page. I am so utterly uninterested in physical detail that it's ridiculous. I can't tell if this bothers my audience or not. No one has ever written to complain that I don't give James's height and weight, or that there's no way to figure out Richard's hair and eye color ... so far, so good, I suppose. As for build ... I don't think I've written a story thus far with a character who is specifically overweight, but I don't see mine as centerfolds either. In fact I think I did specifically describe at least two characters as rather plain. But they have other much more interesting qualities.

Shanglan

[Oh, wait. I do have one who is much heavier than the ordinary woman. But she has her reasons. ]

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I think part of the problem is that there are no acceptable ways to imply that someone's ....er...ample.

"Skinny", which is also a pejorative, has acceptable versions in words like "slim", "svelte", "lean", etc., which all have positive connotations. But what does "fat" have? Words like "large", "plump, "zaftig", "Rubenesque", and so on have come to be seen as polite euphemisms for "fat".

Men have "husky", "thickset", "solid", &c, but women don't have any words like that, at least none that come to my mind.

So even if you want your heroine to be .... er... generously proportioned there's no good way of saying it.

---dr.M.

 

[LadyJeanne]

I've watched a couple of matches lately and people inthe crowd have been chanting "You fat bastard" at this guy (Wayne Rooney)

http://www.manutdpics.com/thumbnail.php?mediaid=41280


And it just astounds me that they can say that about a well built guy who has to be in peak fitness to play his game.

I've heard the 'fat bastard' thing - on a charter bus full of drunk Aussies and Kiwis after a party. It's from a drinking song, or a sports and drinking song. One person calls out, "Who ate all the pies?!" And then they sing:

Who ate all the pies?
Who ate all the pies?
You fat bastard!
You ate all the pies!

So does the perception of "fat" affect you when you're writing? do you keep to the media's perfect thin image when you write your characters or do you not think about it at all?

What do you think is "fat" and could you write a sexy story about a "fat" person? (we've had a thread on that before I think)

I don't provide much in the way of description for my characters, and usually don't think about their sizes and shapes very much as I'm writing. I'm attracted to all kinds of people and know they don't have to look a certain way for me to find them incredibly sexy, so I usually don't have any ideal in mind. I may mention physicial characteristics as part of the story...plump bottom, full breasts, strong thighs...but never offer a top to bottom picture.

In one of my stories, the gentleman is specifically NOT a Greek god. The lady mentions it in the story because she wouldn't have expected to be attracted to him, yet is feverishly drawn to him from the start by the way he moves and the way he looks at her, heavy frame, balding head and all. So yes, I could easily write about sexy, fat people.

Also do you think the perception of fathas changed in the past few years and does that reflect in the stories you read here or write yourself?

I think perception of fat changes as you get older and wiser. At 19, your perception of fat and sexy is different than at 30 or 40 or 50.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I've watched a couple of matches lately and people inthe crowd have been chanting "You fat bastard" at this guy (Wayne Rooney)

http://www.manutdpics.com/thumbnail.php?mediaid=41280


And it just astounds me that they can say that about a well built guy who has to be in peak fitness to play his game.

Also we know from Joe's thread thatdove are doing the campaign for real beauty and there is a poster which says Fat or fit for the lady in the attached picture below. My mind boggles at how anyone could think she looked fat!!

So does the perception of "fat" affect you when you're writing? do you keep to the media's perfect thin image when you write your characters or do you not think about it at all?

What do you think is "fat" and could you write a sexy story about a "fat" person? (we've had a thread on that before I think)

Also do you think the perception of fathas changed in the past few years and does that reflect in the stories you read here or write yourself?

Replying before I read anyone elses

I heavily describe everything usually. My characters don't escape anymore than the house does. I try to write about all types of women. I don't think I have ever described a character as fat, although I have had one or two who though they were. I have a thing for petite women and tall partners that I am sure makes it inot my works, although I conciously break that mold when I remember to.

It would be hard for me to write a sexy story about someone I considered fat, since I find the word rather mean spirited and thus woul donly apply it to someone who was morbidly obese. that said i hve written about characters who were full figured, matronly or rubensesque. For people who buy into the thin is in ideal, I guess they are fat. They are also, in my opinion real and some of the sexiest women I have met don't take a size 3.

The perception of fat hasn't changed much in a long time that I know of. It seems everyone I know feels compelled to compare herself to super modles and movie stars.

 

[matriarch]

Re: Re: Fat Perceptions.

Replying before I read anyone elses

I heavily describe everything usually. My characters don't escape anymore than the house does. I try to write about all types of women. I don't think I have ever described a character as fat, although I have had one or two who though they were. I have a thing for petite women and tall partners that I am sure makes it inot my works, although I conciously break that mold when I remember to.

It would be hard for me to write a sexy story about someone I considered fat, since I find the word rather mean spirited and thus woul donly apply it to someone who was morbidly obese. that said i hve written about characters who were full figured, matronly or rubensesque. For people who buy into the thin is in ideal, I guess they are fat. They are also, in my opinion real and some of the sexiest women I have met don't take a size 3.

The perception of fat hasn't changed much in a long time that I know of. It seems everyone I know feels compelled to compare herself to super modles and movie stars.

Lucky I love.........you I adore.

 

[impressive]

So even if you want your heroine to be .... er... generously proportioned there's no good way of saying it.

Luscious, curvy, rounded, soft, glowing, REAL ... Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[lucky-E-leven]

I'm not trying to hijack here, but I wonder if any of the people that have a negative perception of "fat" people have ever seen past it. I wonder if they've been intimate or just can't get past whatever paradigms they've got.

It may just be me, but I know what it's like to lie with someone who is extremely thin and someone who is (quoting Imp here), "Luscious, curvy, rounded, soft, glowing, REAL ... Mmmmmmmmmmmm." I have to say I much prefer the latter.

Sorry for the ramble, EL.

~lucky

 

[English Lady]

great replies one and all

I think my own perception of fat is like Colly and Lucky's -itis someone who is rdally big, someone who is in morbidly obese.

Dr M I do see whtyoumean but impressive has come up with a few. I think if you havea negative view of "chubby" women you will read that negativity into anyword to describe them;every word therefore becomes "fat" as you idenify that as a negative thing.

I am a big woman. Some,many, would say fat. I have slimmed down from a uk 26 to a size 20. I felt sexy at allthose sizes but lost weight wheni began to feel unhealthy. I feel healthy now but I know the 3 stone (42 pound) I have lost would not make me "thin" in anybodies book.

Lady Jeanne -I understand the footie chant -I've heard it before but never directed at a young, fit player. It shocked me, as much as hearing a recist chant would.

 

[English Lady]

I'm not trying to hijack here, but I wonder if any of the people that have a negative perception of "fat" people have ever seen past it. I wonder if they've been intimate or just can't get past whatever paradigms they've got.

It may just be me, but I know what it's like to lie with someone who is extremely thin and someone who is (quoting Imp here), "Luscious, curvy, rounded, soft, glowing, REAL ... Mmmmmmmmmmmm." I have to say I much prefer the latter.

Sorry for the ramble, EL.

~lucky

no need for sorry....I think I just said something similar myself *L*

 

[lucky-E-leven]

no need for sorry....I think I just said something similar myself *L*

So the next time I'm in your neighborhood... ???


~lucky

 

[impressive]

So the next time I'm in your neighborhood... ???


~lucky

I'm closer!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I remember a joke once, something along the lines of the best way to make five pounds of fat attractive as to slap a nipple on it. I don't really understand the aversion to fat. I mean the parts of a woman that make her visibly pleasing are where she puts her fat Hips, tits, ass.

I find it amusing that writers will stick a pair of DD tits on a character, then say she weighs 115. Apparently most writers have no concept of how much boobs weigh.

Slim or plump, I can find the beauty in most anyone. It's a shame so many folks get caught up in an ideal and miss so much around them because it doesn't conform.

 

[English Lady]

So the next time I'm in your neighborhood... ???


~lucky

Oh my!

As long as Hubby can watch, we're on


and psst impressive stop it

 

[lucky-E-leven]

I'm closer!

Good for you, but I'd be willing to bet that I'm faster.

~lucky

 

[English Lady]

I remember a joke once, something along the lines of the best way to make five pounds of fat attractive as to slap a nipple on it. I don't really understand the aversion to fat. I mean the parts of a woman that make her visibly pleasing are where she puts her fat Hips, tits, ass.

I find it amusing that writers will stick a pair of DD tits on a character, then say she weighs 115. Apparently most writers have no concept of how much boobs weigh.

Slim or plump, I can find the beauty in most anyone. It's a shame so many folks get caught up in an ideal and miss so much around them because it doesn't conform.

Amen!

that boob thing annoys me too! Or when they say 34 D boobs are big!

eh?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

As long as Hubby can watch, we're on

Deal!

Might be his lucky day, as I don't go anywhere without the blonde.



~lucky