Fantasy vs. reality

[robertreams]

Does anyone know the latest scientific data on fantasy and reality? Does reading, seeing, writing about certain acts increase one's probability of actually committing those acts? e.g. rape, incest, snuff, , even anal sex?
I expect someone to answer that X% of rapists have watched porn or watch porn a lot. That is not science. I am sure a larger percent drank milk in their lives. I am talking about a causal relationship between the two.

Science aside, how about gut feelings or personal experience?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Does anyone know the latest scientific data on fantasy and reality? Does reading, seeing, writing about certain acts increase one's probability of actually committing those acts? e.g. rape, incest, snuff, , even anal sex?
I expect someone to answer that X% of rapists have watched porn or watch porn a lot. That is not science. I am sure a larger percent drank milk in their lives. I am talking about a causal relationship between the two.

Science aside, how about gut feelings or personal experience?

Uh, whats your alternative hypothesis for the power of advertising?

The rule of thumb is: 3500 exposures to WHATEVER IT IS, sells you, regardless of your existing convictions. I usta have patients tape positive affirmations on refrigerators and bathroom mirrors, and many removed them before time was up, if they opposed sobriety or competence or whatever the goal was. And the brain wont resist too much temptation, which is what advertising is, if the appetite is there already.

 

[lovecraft68]

Does anyone know the latest scientific data on fantasy and reality? Does reading, seeing, writing about certain acts increase one's probability of actually committing those acts? e.g. rape, incest, snuff, , even anal sex?
I expect someone to answer that X% of rapists have watched porn or watch porn a lot. That is not science. I am sure a larger percent drank milk in their lives. I am talking about a causal relationship between the two.

Science aside, how about gut feelings or personal experience?

I would say for the average person reading (or watching videos) about taboo subjects like rape/incest even Bestiality is a harmless way to enjoy the fantasy that most would never commit.

People read in the category they fantasize about. Many people in the incest section have harbored fantasies of siblings or parents and never acted on it, the story is as close as they get, same for rape and anything else.

But there is that small percentage who are already pre disposed towards committing certain acts and for that type a story could trigger them trying something, either rape or perhaps making that move on that family member.

Its like anything else; music, video games, movies. The average person has no issues and can separate fantasy reality but the already disturbed could see a story here as a trigger.

 

[Hypoxia]

Old argument on whether media messages influence our behaviors. Advertisers say yes. Makers of controversial media say no. Propagandists say whatever will benefit them.

 

[FantasyXY]

A study in the seventies commissioned by none other than Richard M. Nixon showed without a doubt that when people are given harmless outlets to explore sexual desires, the commitment of sex crimes goes down. At the time, the study focused on strip clubs, X rated movie houses, and adult book stores. No matter what the outlets were, the study clearly showed a considerable decrease in sex crimes when those outlets were made readily available.

I am sure that for social deviants watching porn is an accelerant to existing behaviors, but for the masses the correlation of 'watch sex crime - do sex crime' doesn't seem to be true.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Old argument on whether media messages influence our behaviors. Advertisers say yes. Makers of controversial media say no. Propagandists say whatever will benefit them.

YOURE FULLA SHIT ALERT!

Take a course in marketing or industrial psychology.

 

[Swilly]

Does anyone know the latest scientific data on fantasy and reality? Does reading, seeing, writing about certain acts increase one's probability of actually committing those acts? e.g. rape, incest, snuff, , even anal sex?
I expect someone to answer that X% of rapists have watched porn or watch porn a lot. That is not science. I am sure a larger percent drank milk in their lives. I am talking about a causal relationship between the two.

Science aside, how about gut feelings or personal experience?

I don't know about specific research, but I'd say at the very minimum, it may desensitize us to such things a bit.

This is why control of the media has always been such a big thing. Certain behaviors can seem normalized via their presentation in the media, both good and bad. Fox News literally thumbs their nose at the liberal media by saying they're fair and balanced. Of course they aren't, but neither is the other side...who is pissed that they no longer have total control over the dissemination of news.

I can see how it can have an effect on susceptible individuals.

 

[allamagione]

All I've got is personal experience.

I've read a whole bunch of incest stories, and I still don't want to screw anyone in my own family.

Fantasy: Hot. Reality: Not.

 

[lovecraft68]

All I've got is personal experience.

I've read a whole bunch of incest stories, and I still don't want to screw anyone in my own family.

Fantasy: Hot. Reality: Not.

Yeah the thought of "A" mom being with their son is hot to me. The thought of my mom is.....not so hot

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't know about specific research, but I'd say at the very minimum, it may desensitize us to such things a bit.

This is why control of the media has always been such a big thing. Certain behaviors can seem normalized via their presentation in the media, both good and bad. Fox News literally thumbs their nose at the liberal media by saying they're fair and balanced. Of course they aren't, but neither is the other side...who is pissed that they no longer have total control over the dissemination of news.

I can see how it can have an effect on susceptible individuals.

I recently watched an old Mike Wallace interview of Ayn Rand; when she revealed she was atheist Wallace climbed up her ass. That was in 1959. Proving MSM sniffs enough bicycle seats to get the flavor of the month in its taste buds.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Rape is not about sex. So no matter how much sexual material a rapist consumes he will still rape.

Rape is about control and nothing more.

There have been any number of studies done and all are available on the internet. Google is a great tool. Use it.

 

[VenusButterflies]

Does anyone know the latest scientific data on fantasy and reality? Does reading, seeing, writing about certain acts increase one's probability of actually committing those acts? e.g. rape, incest, snuff, , even anal sex?
I expect someone to answer that X% of rapists have watched porn or watch porn a lot. That is not science. I am sure a larger percent drank milk in their lives. I am talking about a causal relationship between the two.

Science aside, how about gut feelings or personal experience?

I think it's the reverse -- the more inclined you are to commit those acts, the more you will gravitate towards content that features those acts.

HOWEVER, correlation does not equal causation. I think a lot of factors come into play -- namely personal history and upbringing ("Barbarism begins at home," to quote The Smiths) -- and nothing's as cut and dry as everyone desperately wants it to be.

 

[49greg]

Well, don't know about formal research, but I do remember reading something about ten or so years after Denmark removed restrictions on access to pornography, they found that sex crimes had decreased.

True or not I don't know. But the theory postulated was that some of the people who had previously lived out sick fantasies on living people, would get rid of it through porn.

Dunno. But it sounds good.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Rape is not about sex. So no matter how much sexual material a rapist consumes he will still rape.

Rape is about control and nothing more.

There have been any number of studies done and all are available on the internet. Google is a great tool. Use it.

Absurd. The meaning of anything is the outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiNWDfHz8Io

 

[lovecraft68]

Rape is not about sex. So no matter how much sexual material a rapist consumes he will still rape.

Rape is about control and nothing more.

There have been any number of studies done and all are available on the internet. Google is a great tool. Use it.

Agreed. But they will at first seek out porn as an attempt to get release of their desires. For most that works. For the select few? It will egg them on more. But again this is the demented minority.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Oh yes. No question about it; if you read articles and books continually, about millionaires, you will easily become one...

A book, that is. A book - you will become a book.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Absurd. The meaning of anything is the outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiNWDfHz8Io

Idiot.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Agreed. But they will at first seek out porn as an attempt to get release of their desires. For most that works. For the select few? It will egg them on more. But again this is the demented minority.

A rapist may or may not achieve sexual release during the rape, but it has nothing to do with who he is raping, it is about the control he now has over that person that gets him off. It is never about the sex, just the control over others.

What he/she may do prior to or after the rape really has nothing to do with the rape. They may get off afterwards, but it is the savoring of the control they held, may still hold, over the victim.

In most cases they only way the can achieve release is think of their last victim or their next and the control they will/have hold/held over them.

 

[PayDay]

Thinking ain't doing, unless it is.