false equivalency equivalency and chess for tyros

cleaver

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despite whatever opinion one has of this administration,
there is a truly remarkable political dynamic at work.

if there is fire in the east room,
add smoke there
and put on a carnival in the west wing.

if the fire goes to the legitimacy of the presidency,
create confusion and misdirection
as it smolders
by focusing attentions
not on the fire itself,
but into who and what started it.

the politics of
are truly unlike any in recent memory
utilizing an array of tools
never before available.

instant media
and the more traditional - which have demonstrated their chosen niches
within the political spectrum -
are played and played against one another
to create a confusing narrative
which incites more smoke than truth
and more misdirection
than clarity.

whereas, in the past, such a political effort has usually been employed
to promote controversial policy or effect impending legislation,
this administration utilizes their acumen more directly
to protect the president and his presidency.

this, of itself, is not illegal per se, as long as the apparatus of government
are not conscripted as well into purely political ends.

the spin is spun masterfully;
as we - the ultimate consumers of that narrative -
find direction to argue vociferously over abstractions
whilst the original fire burns .

it is chess, played by a grandmaster
against a gaggle of easily distracted tyros.

the latest example is in play just now:

as the embers of the mueller investigation smolder,
embedded in what is still unknown in the redactions
may well be information that... disparages this presidency.
certainly the report's part two provides a treasure map of sorts
for congress to pursue
should it find the political will to take that gambit.

the administration has pushed back on any potential release
of the entirety of the mueller investigation's findings
on many fronts - creating, in part, the current "constitutional crisis/near crisis".

this investigation and its findings has posed, and continues to pose
the most direct threat to the legitimacy this presidency
and the president himself.

blanket executive privilege now enjoins congress from
access to materials and personnel within the executive branch
re the investigation and it's report. a judicial fight on this could take years.

concurrently, the spectre of an impending internal doj investigation - that goes to the genesis of the mueller investigation itself - looms.
the narrative being spun is that if the reasoning and/or motive for the investigation were in some way faulty,
that the investigation itself would be illegitimate and its findings irrelevant.

this narrative goes not to the findings - the smoldering fire -
but to who, what and why it began - where indeed there may be issue, but...
misdirects with smoke and noise.
it is a remarkable political stroke.

and...
and this is where it becomes more masterful...
the administration has doubled down on this narrative
with a bit of very public theatre to demonstrate the central points
of its contentions to de-legitimize mueller from its origin.

introduce presidential candidate, former vice president and current opposition front runner joe biden.

in the last several days
in a series of political speeches, multiple tweets
and through surrogates across the media,
the administration has drawn into the narrative
actions by then vice president biden
which may have consequence of conflict of interest
or more.

in short, in 2016, the vice president - on an official visit to ukraine - threatened the then current government there with withholding $1b in us aid if the nations top prosecutor were not removed. the state department and administration regarded this ukranian government to be rife with corruption and oligarchical influence and the prosecutor to be complicit. at the same time, this top prosecutor had under his department's investigation an opposition oligarch whose corporation had biden's son, hunter, on payroll as a consultant.

on it's own - and as no doubt will play out in the coming campaign -
this action by biden will have play.
it is not this issue which is part of the greater political misdirection,
but the choreographed smoke that can be made of it.

the president immediately and publicly made known that he would dispatch his personal lawyer - and obvious lightning rod - rudolph guiliani to ukraine - to dig political dirt of this incident.

as well, the president has publicly suggested that he is strongly considering employing ag barr and the justice department in investigation of it.
and though the president has not directed such an investigation by the apparatus of the ag be started in this case...

the misdirection dialog amongst the media punditry has started a most effective backfire.

the media and its pundits are lit on the question
as to whether it is legitimate
or legal to apply the instruments of government
towards purely political ends.
the media is playing its expected part;
the loud consensus being that it would be unethical or illegal
for trump to put doj on this...

again, the president today has affirmed that he has not yet asked barr to investigate.
also, after the media backfire was firmly lit,
guiliani took to various media outlets to say
that he would not be going to ukraine.

the administration has done nothing but raise the political issues
of the biden trip, make some as yet unrealized threats...
and reinforced, through a false equivalency,
the confusing issues of how and when the apparatus of government is dispatched into the political.

remember here, the most immediate potential threat to this presidency still smolders
in the darkened recesses of the mueller report...
and its ancillary ongoing legal progeny.

as well, the administration's most direct defense to the release of what is not publicly known
is a yet unreleased internal investigation into the report's genesis
with the central contention being that...

the apparatus of government was unleashed (and co-opted) by the previous administration
unethically and illegally - for purely political ends...

a narrative - the ethical/legal kernel of which is now being trumpeted by a media choreographed to do so - would suggest to those less discerning
an equivalency
between a potential illegal/unethical use of government resource re: biden
and an alleged one unleashed on the trump campaign.

and while
the current allegations v. candidate biden
and the prima facie connections between then candidate trump
both raise(d) appropriate concern and scrutiny,
the situations are in no way similar
nor can they be considered with equivalency.

and yet...
the narrative of the day
has been twisted in such a way
so as to seem to support
(not yet loudly... or yet loudly wielded)
it's backward application
to an entirely dissimilar un-equivalent set of political facts.

i am entirely convinced
that this administration is not only capable,
but also highly adept,
at putting these chess pieces in motion
and of improvising along the way
to keep the game in their advantage.

stepping back,
the political acumen,
misdirection,
media manipulation
and pure concerted operation of this
is remarkable.

it is political chess on a grand scale;
confusing enough and confounding enough
to totally obscure the ugliest truths
that may still smolder on the doorsteps
to the white house.
 
Short version: basically what's already been said a million times

but
he's
saying
it
like
this.
 
the fruits of your by-line triggering
both here
and elsewhere on these boards
i unequivocally accept
as un-solicited praise
 
When I'm not working I build castles in the air. :)
fair enough...

some build those castles
all willy-nilly
by throwing bricks haphazardly
all about the sandbox

from on high,
it can all be called exercise
 
Lengthy observation cleaver.

Just a few comments before I go back and read slowly.

First of all the "Executive Privilege" assertion by Trump was at the written request of the DOJ. That fact does tie into your general observation. Trump and the DOJ ARE working together. I would compare the DOJ to a Castle in your chess analogy.

Trump is far more able than most of his critics give him credit for, it seems we agree on this. You compare it to chess. I more or less compare it to him waving the laser around while the cats go nuts.

While a whole bunch of wonks in the press and elsewhere are busy parsing the nuances of the law and trying to read the political tea leaves shit is actually getting done. Trump is loading the courts at an astonishing rate. He's actually getting control of the border albeit all the while having to swim upstream against a torrent. Then there's the economy. His track record at SCOTUS is essentially unblemished. China, Russia, N. Korea, and Iran, long festering sores on the world stage, are being dealt with. (We can debate the policies but not the fact that they are being confronted.) And that is essentially what the people want, shit to get done. Congress, both democrats and republicans, have been of little help in that regard and the people see that as well.
 
lemme guess

what he meant to say

was

DUMZ are HIPPO CREEPS

"media" throws gas

on wood

hoping to

kindle it


amIrite?
 
Lengthy observation cleaver.

Just a few comments before I go back and read slowly.

First of all the "Executive Privilege" assertion by Trump was at the written request of the DOJ. That fact does tie into your general observation. Trump and the DOJ ARE working together. I would compare the DOJ to a Castle in your chess analogy.

Trump is far more able than most of his critics give him credit for, it seems we agree on this. You compare it to chess. I more or less compare it to him waving the laser around while the cats go nuts.

While a whole bunch of wonks in the press and elsewhere are busy parsing the nuances of the law and trying to read the political tea leaves shit is actually getting done. Trump is loading the courts at an astonishing rate. He's actually getting control of the border albeit all the while having to swim upstream against a torrent. Then there's the economy. His track record at SCOTUS is essentially unblemished. China, Russia, N. Korea, and Iran, long festering sores on the world stage, are being dealt with. (We can debate the policies but not the fact that they are being confronted.) And that is essentially what the people want, shit to get done. Congress, both democrats and republicans, have been of little help in that regard and the people see that as well.

You have a Rosetta stone I could borrow? :)
 
Lengthy observation cleaver.

Just a few comments before I go back and read slowly.

First of all the "Executive Privilege" assertion by Trump was at the written request of the DOJ. That fact does tie into your general observation. Trump and the DOJ ARE working together. I would compare the DOJ to a Castle in your chess analogy.

Trump is far more able than most of his critics give him credit for, it seems we agree on this. You compare it to chess. I more or less compare it to him waving the laser around while the cats go nuts.

While a whole bunch of wonks in the press and elsewhere are busy parsing the nuances of the law and trying to read the political tea leaves shit is actually getting done. Trump is loading the courts at an astonishing rate. He's actually getting control of the border albeit all the while having to swim upstream against a torrent. Then there's the economy. His track record at SCOTUS is essentially unblemished. China, Russia, N. Korea, and Iran, long festering sores on the world stage, are being dealt with. (We can debate the policies but not the fact that they are being confronted.) And that is essentially what the people want, shit to get done. Congress, both democrats and republicans, have been of little help in that regard and the people see that as well.

thank you for your patience with what at times becomes screed.

my fascination is piqued by the exercise of power by the administration.
it is far more disciplined than all the sturm and drang
might suggest.

and you are correct.
what i admittedly think of as a carnival of misdirection
is actually going to be ...
adopted, certainly not as deftly,
and studied for generations.

and through it, concurrent to it, the president is effecting a great amount of change.

my concern - if that be the right word -
is that with all of the round-about noise,
all of the abstraction and false flagging
that...
somehow the discourse, oversight and natural compromise
that are the hallmark of good - if decidedly messy - republican governance
is being lost.

certainly, as you point out, the left hand is indeed steamrolling
in many seminal areas
whilst the right hand perpetuates a most engaging puppet show.

none of it may be illegal.

i don't believe i've levied that.

it is however, a most unique exercise of executive power
by an even more brashly unique individual.
 
Ok. Reading all that makes it sound that Trump is a fucking genius. Assuming that to be false, who is the real genius behind the throne? It's not Guiliani. It must be a lawyer or firm to be named (indited) later.
 
Trump’s pace at court-packing hasn’t matched Clinton’s yet, and we all know the reason he got two SCOTUS nominees while Obama got none.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/trumps-federal-judge-pace-matches-recent-presidents-big-twist

I'm not sure what you mean by "Court packing." All presidents nominate SCOTUS justices who share their opinions and philosophies. Trump was lucky enough to nominate two people so far, while Obama nominated none. Part of this was the foot-dragging by the Senate during Obama's last year of incumbency, but he made none in the seven years before that either. The Donald will probably have one more nominee before he leaves office. (Ginsburg)
 
Look, this so not so different from everything from Fast&Furious to Benghazi,
every single non-scndal scandal with the sole difference that
The Democrats, especially their press defended and deflected
with the vigor being displayed on getting this President and administration.

I will admit that I have not gone too deeply into your comments,
they were quite lengthy and I'm not up to it this morning.
I will attempt to revisit it during better visiting hours.
 
Lengthy observation cleaver.

Just a few comments before I go back and read slowly.

First of all the "Executive Privilege" assertion by Trump was at the written request of the DOJ. That fact does tie into your general observation. Trump and the DOJ ARE working together. I would compare the DOJ to a Castle in your chess analogy.

Trump is far more able than most of his critics give him credit for, it seems we agree on this. You compare it to chess. I more or less compare it to him waving the laser around while the cats go nuts.

While a whole bunch of wonks in the press and elsewhere are busy parsing the nuances of the law and trying to read the political tea leaves shit is actually getting done. Trump is loading the courts at an astonishing rate. He's actually getting control of the border albeit all the while having to swim upstream against a torrent. Then there's the economy. His track record at SCOTUS is essentially unblemished. China, Russia, N. Korea, and Iran, long festering sores on the world stage, are being dealt with. (We can debate the policies but not the fact that they are being confronted.) And that is essentially what the people want, shit to get done. Congress, both democrats and republicans, have been of little help in that regard and the people see that as well.

To the Democrats who are still focused on how much smarter Hillary and her voters where and how "deplorable" they those that voted for Trump really are.

They don't see a chess game they see the pigeon on the board strutting around
knocking over the peaces and cooing a song of victory...
 
This may turn out to be one of those 'retro' Lit discussions. :)

Cleaver; Studied, yes. Emulated, maybe. The press has taken it upon itself to define what is "presidential." So much so that virtually all of our recent presidents, going back to TR, try to fulfill the presses prototypical (archetypal?) image. I think that this in part explains why the press is basically behaving in a bat shit crazy manner. Trump doesn't come from a political background and definitely doesn't behave as the press has defined the office. Virtually all of the 2020 dem front runners are career politicians that have squeezed themselves into the mold. So the question re. emulation going forward is, "Can a politician behave as a non-politician?"

Ann; Re. "Pulling the strings." No one is pulling Trumps strings. If they were Trump would be behaving more and more like the typical pol. That just doesn't seem to be happening. And as far as ability I'd refer to the recent non-story of his companies losing $1 billion some 30 years ago. In reality it was probably more than the sum reported. But that's not the story, the story is is how he guided his companies out of that mess and back to prosperity. That's the real story and no one was pulling his strings then.

Chucker; Is that what they see or merely what they want to fool the rest of the nation into seeing? All of the democrats can't be that stupid ........ or desperate, can they? Maybe they can in that Trump is definitely taking a wrecking ball to a great deal of what they accomplished over the past 30 years. And THAT certainly fits your duck analogy. It's making a mess of THEIR chessboard. But Trump isn't playing on that board, he has a board of his own. :)
 
Ideology and emption Trump reason in every way.
That is why I have so long compared abortion to a religion.
The sense of belonging, in this case to the perceived educated an enlightened
truly create an inability to see a world more subtle, one
of the good, the bad and the ugly.
I have asked cleaver to explore the notion that the grey palette always tend to black.
We see it in the comforting conformity to the group-think always pulling always leading
away from the light because they just assure themselves, the world is really grey.
The mentality of "No one I knows thinks that way," so those whom do are indeed evil.
 
I've been reading about Derrida and Deconstructionism lately. Skeptical philosophies are meant to be tools, not a way of life. Unfortunately it takes a few decades for people to reach an age of reason, and many die without having achieved that meta-stage of life. This all means that there are lots of people out there following reduction to absurdity ideologies. How do you grapple with absurdity? It seems Trump may have some ideas on winning.
 
despite whatever opinion one has of this administration,
there is a truly remarkable political dynamic at work.

if there is fire in the east room,
add smoke there
and put on a carnival in the west wing.

if the fire goes to the legitimacy of the presidency,
create confusion and misdirection
as it smolders
by focusing attentions
not on the fire itself,
but into who and what started it.

the politics of
are truly unlike any in recent memory
utilizing an array of tools
never before available.

instant media
and the more traditional - which have demonstrated their chosen niches
within the political spectrum -
are played and played against one another
to create a confusing narrative
which incites more smoke than truth
and more misdirection
than clarity.

whereas, in the past, such a political effort has usually been employed
to promote controversial policy or effect impending legislation,
this administration utilizes their acumen more directly
to protect the president and his presidency.

this, of itself, is not illegal per se, as long as the apparatus of government
are not conscripted as well into purely political ends.

the spin is spun masterfully;
as we - the ultimate consumers of that narrative -
find direction to argue vociferously over abstractions
whilst the original fire burns .

it is chess, played by a grandmaster
against a gaggle of easily distracted tyros.

the latest example is in play just now:

as the embers of the mueller investigation smolder,
embedded in what is still unknown in the redactions
may well be information that... disparages this presidency.
certainly the report's part two provides a treasure map of sorts
for congress to pursue
should it find the political will to take that gambit.

the administration has pushed back on any potential release
of the entirety of the mueller investigation's findings
on many fronts - creating, in part, the current "constitutional crisis/near crisis".

this investigation and its findings has posed, and continues to pose
the most direct threat to the legitimacy this presidency
and the president himself.

blanket executive privilege now enjoins congress from
access to materials and personnel within the executive branch
re the investigation and it's report. a judicial fight on this could take years.

concurrently, the spectre of an impending internal doj investigation - that goes to the genesis of the mueller investigation itself - looms.
the narrative being spun is that if the reasoning and/or motive for the investigation were in some way faulty,
that the investigation itself would be illegitimate and its findings irrelevant.

this narrative goes not to the findings - the smoldering fire -
but to who, what and why it began - where indeed there may be issue, but...
misdirects with smoke and noise.
it is a remarkable political stroke.

and...
and this is where it becomes more masterful...
the administration has doubled down on this narrative
with a bit of very public theatre to demonstrate the central points
of its contentions to de-legitimize mueller from its origin.

introduce presidential candidate, former vice president and current opposition front runner joe biden.

in the last several days
in a series of political speeches, multiple tweets
and through surrogates across the media,
the administration has drawn into the narrative
actions by then vice president biden
which may have consequence of conflict of interest
or more.

in short, in 2016, the vice president - on an official visit to ukraine - threatened the then current government there with withholding $1b in us aid if the nations top prosecutor were not removed. the state department and administration regarded this ukranian government to be rife with corruption and oligarchical influence and the prosecutor to be complicit. at the same time, this top prosecutor had under his department's investigation an opposition oligarch whose corporation had biden's son, hunter, on payroll as a consultant.

on it's own - and as no doubt will play out in the coming campaign -
this action by biden will have play.
it is not this issue which is part of the greater political misdirection,
but the choreographed smoke that can be made of it.

the president immediately and publicly made known that he would dispatch his personal lawyer - and obvious lightning rod - rudolph guiliani to ukraine - to dig political dirt of this incident.

as well, the president has publicly suggested that he is strongly considering employing ag barr and the justice department in investigation of it.
and though the president has not directed such an investigation by the apparatus of the ag be started in this case...

the misdirection dialog amongst the media punditry has started a most effective backfire.

the media and its pundits are lit on the question
as to whether it is legitimate
or legal to apply the instruments of government
towards purely political ends.
the media is playing its expected part;
the loud consensus being that it would be unethical or illegal
for trump to put doj on this...

again, the president today has affirmed that he has not yet asked barr to investigate.
also, after the media backfire was firmly lit,
guiliani took to various media outlets to say
that he would not be going to ukraine.

the administration has done nothing but raise the political issues
of the biden trip, make some as yet unrealized threats...
and reinforced, through a false equivalency,
the confusing issues of how and when the apparatus of government is dispatched into the political.

remember here, the most immediate potential threat to this presidency still smolders
in the darkened recesses of the mueller report...
and its ancillary ongoing legal progeny.

as well, the administration's most direct defense to the release of what is not publicly known
is a yet unreleased internal investigation into the report's genesis
with the central contention being that...

the apparatus of government was unleashed (and co-opted) by the previous administration
unethically and illegally - for purely political ends...

a narrative - the ethical/legal kernel of which is now being trumpeted by a media choreographed to do so - would suggest to those less discerning
an equivalency
between a potential illegal/unethical use of government resource re: biden
and an alleged one unleashed on the trump campaign.

and while
the current allegations v. candidate biden
and the prima facie connections between then candidate trump
both raise(d) appropriate concern and scrutiny,
the situations are in no way similar
nor can they be considered with equivalency.

and yet...
the narrative of the day
has been twisted in such a way
so as to seem to support
(not yet loudly... or yet loudly wielded)
it's backward application
to an entirely dissimilar un-equivalent set of political facts.

i am entirely convinced
that this administration is not only capable,
but also highly adept,
at putting these chess pieces in motion
and of improvising along the way
to keep the game in their advantage.

stepping back,
the political acumen,
misdirection,
media manipulation
and pure concerted operation of this
is remarkable.

it is political chess on a grand scale;
confusing enough and confounding enough
to totally obscure the ugliest truths
that may still smolder on the doorsteps
to the white house.



Since your narrative hasn't assigned a culprit let me help *** BARACK OBAMA***
 
Shorter version of a long reply I decided not to write.

Cut the crap and accept defeat.
 
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