Failed promises of abortion

[Johnny Mayberry]

Hmmm...most people support abortion when it is to save the mother's life, or when the mother was raped. Most people support abortion in the 1st trimester. Most people are against so-called 'partial birth' abortions, the name of which is a subtle lie created by anti-abortionists.
When all is said and done, the best thing to do about abortion is allow it to be a woman's choice. no one else can carry the baby, so no one else should carry the responsibility.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Glad to join ya.

LOL

 

[Azwed]

You nailed it weed. The author of the article, while factually correct, implies that because abortion didn't cure the problems that the proponents claimed it would that abortion contributed to making them worse.

As you pointed out, the two are disconnected. The high incidence of single parent households was not caused by abortion. A whole different set of social dynamics is at work there.

I did find the shift in public opinion interesting. I was under the impression it was still pretty much a 50/50 toss up.

Ishmael

It is closer to 70 some percent when you throw in the abortion with some restrictions people and most of those think partial birth ones should be banned.

Granted since partial birth or whatever you want to call them are only a percent or so of total abortions it is kind of a mute point.

 

[Ishmael]

Bump for the night crew.

Ishmael

 

[MissTaken]

Do I have to educate you on the plight of single parents again?

 

[Ishmael]

Do I have to educate you on the plight of single parents again?

Been there, done that. Doesn't change the stats.

Ishmael

 

[MissTaken]

Been there, done that. Doesn't change the stats.

Ishmael

Been there, done that.


Watch teh stats change over the next decade. As divorce is more commonly occuring in wealthier and more educated families, the stats will show that it isn't the "single parenting" that is the challenge.

It is poverty and education.

The same two issues that impact child abuse and neglect in two parent families.

 

[badasschick]

There's a simple answer for those given stats....

Has anyone stopped to think since 1973, LIFE has gotten progressivly fucked up?

 

[Ishmael]

Been there, done that.


Watch teh stats change over the next decade. As divorce is more commonly occuring in wealthier and more educated families, the stats will show that it isn't the "single parenting" that is the challenge.

It is poverty and education.

The same two issues that impact child abuse and neglect in two parent families.

I know that's your belief. I'll believe the stats when I see them. It's anecdotal of course, but I've observed the results first hand in a community where divorce was about national average and there was NO poverty at all. The children from two parent families still did better.

Ishmael

 

[MissTaken]

There's a simple answer for those given stats....

Has anyone stopped to think since 1973, LIFE has gotten progressivly fucked up?

Bingo!


Ya see, the "stats" that Ish refers to are very concrete and narrow in terms of other issues involved.

It takes one good parent.

Child abuse and neglect has risen.

Crime has risen

Drug use in teens has risen

Juvenile courts are full to bursting

And it isn't all single parent families.

 

[MissTaken]

I know that's your belief. I'll believe the stats when I see them. It's anecdotal of course, but I've observed the results first hand in a community where divorce was about national average and there was NO poverty at all. The children from two parent families still did better.

Ishmael

You also have observed successful children being raised by single parents.

I don't argue with your stats, ever. You have an uncanny ability for having "stats" for any argument.

Is Kermit fucking MissPiggy?

Yes, the stats prove it.


However, posting your observations on such a small test group, regardless of your desire to argue size, is very subjective.

BTW, I can go find "Stats" and research to demonstrate the trend I am talking about. But am too tired.

Finally, I have seen the converse when working in child abuse and neglect and again when working in juvenile justice. It wasnt' how many people filled the bed in the master bedroom that was the common thread. IT was parental disinterest and preoccupation that was the common thread.

And yes, in terms of burn out and stress, single parents can do a shoddy job of it too.

 

[Ishmael]

You also have observed successful children being raised by single parents.

I don't argue with your stats, ever. You have an uncanny ability for having "stats" for any argument.

Is Kermit fucking MissPiggy?

Yes, the stats prove it.


However, posting your observations on such a small test group, regardless of your desire to argue size, is very subjective.

BTW, I can go find "Stats" and research to demonstrate the trend I am talking about. But am too tired.

Finally, I have seen the converse when working in child abuse and neglect and again when working in juvenile justice. It wasnt' how many people filled the bed in the master bedroom that was the common thread. IT was parental disinterest and preoccupation that was the common thread.

And yes, in terms of burn out and stress, single parents can do a shoddy job of it too.

I agree with all that you have to say. But stats are based on a two sigma population curve and there's always overlap.

I agree that wealth can help, but you've already made my case for me. It soesn't solce the core problem that children seem to need role models of both sexes.

Ishmael

 

[MissTaken]

I am not going to argue the whole role model thing again.

Well, maybe I will.

A) Single parents are more aware and more in touch with the need for their children to have role models of both genders. Hence, the overflow of children Big Brother/Big Sister programs, children of single parent families playing sports, doing scouts etc.

b) Also, as many single parents aren't as poverty stricken as seemed to be the case across the board years ago, these paretns are able to engage their child in said activities.

Give it time.

There is far more support out there for single parents than ever and again, the demographics are equating a bit differently.

I am done,

Anyone else want to take a stab at Ishie?

 

[sigh]

The weakness of the article has already been pointed out. It implies cause and effect where there is only correlation, with far too many uncontrolled variables left unconsidered.

As for single parenting, I wish (I truly do) that my son had two parents. I had two parents and loved them both. Together, they were the strength of our family, and together they were far more than the sum of their individual parts.

But that's not an option for my son and me. Never was, but I think we're doing okay nonetheless. I do caution about the overuse of stats because those stats, while they might reflect the overall picture to some extent, tell us nothing about individual cases, and good, single parents are still being discriminated against in subtle ways because of those stats (which is what I think intrigued was saying).

It's a complex issue Ish. Thanks for bringing it up.

 

[Ishmael]

The weakness of the article has already been pointed out. It implies cause and effect where there is only correlation, with far too many uncontrolled variables left unconsidered.

As for single parenting, I wish (I truly do) that my son had two parents. I had two parents and loved them both. Together, they were the strength of our family, and together they were far more than the sum of their individual parts.

But that's not an option for my son and me. Never was, but I think we're doing okay nonetheless. I do caution about the overuse of stats because those stats, while they might reflect the overall picture to some extent, tell us nothing about individual cases, and good, single parents are still being discriminated against in subtle ways because of those stats (which is what I think intrigued was saying).

It's a complex issue Ish. Thanks for bringing it up.

I'm sorry to hear you say it's not an option for you sigh. That is a choice you know?

And there is no discrimination that I know of. As a matter of fact my experience as a single parent was just the opposite. The entire community was ready to pitch in for me.

However, you are right about stats as is MissT. But you realize that the deck is stacked against you.

Ishmael

 

[sigh]

I'm sorry to hear you say it's not an option for you sigh. That is a choice you know?

And there is no discrimination that I know of. As a matter of fact my experience as a single parent was just the opposite. The entire community was ready to pitch in for me.

However, you are right about stats as is MissT. But you realize that the deck is stacked against you.

Ishmael

I thought you knew the details of my son's conception, Ish. His father will never be a part of our lives. That's the choice I was referring to. You know, Dad and Mom and Baby makes three.....

I suppose I could find a life mate that's willing to be my son's second parent. That's a possibility, but hell, hon, when am I supposed to find time to go shopping for one?

As for the discrimination part, I hear people make negative comments about single moms all the time. I think they forget I'm one when they say that around me, and I think they're not trying to be nasty, but it still stings.

 

[Jim_Henson]

Buy me.

 

[sigh]

Buy me.

I hear you go cheap...

I bid ten bucks. Do I hear twenty?

 

[april-wine]

hmmmmmm life mate

 

[Jim_Henson]

I hear you go cheap...

I bid ten bucks. Do I hear twenty?

Fuck this.


TAKE me.