Extreme section

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[The Heretic]

I didn't mean to misquote you; however, the REASON it's a big no-no at Lit is because animals cannot give consent. Now, they DO have non-consent stories, but between consenting adults, and in just about all of them, there is a little force and then the "victim" warms up to it. I've never seen any stories depicting a brutal, violent, actual rape in a story that doesn't polish over the reality of such an act.

You haven't read enough of the non-consent stories, and I find the idea of nonconsent involving "consenting adults" interesting. Please, from now on, when you are wrong just admit it.

 

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[Olivianna]

I'd say by asking about bestiality stories in particular, this person did incriminate his/herself.

Come on, folks. Let's take it easy. It's a Fall night - pumpkins dot the neighbor's lawn, and you've started fantisizing about that Turkey you'll be gobbling up in a few weeks. You're thinking 'bout popping some cider in the microwave and cozying up by the radiator. Now, let's give Miss Asks About A Link That Has Some Bestiality a rest. She never said anything explicit about being into beastiality; she just enquired about a link, which in addition to other topics included stories about beastiality. I'm familiar with the link she's talking about...I bet a lot of people are. So what?

Even if she was explicitly asking about beast. stories, that's hardly self-incriminating.

Ok, back to cider and Halloween spooks....

 

[MWG]

You haven't read enough of the non-consent stories, and I find the idea of nonconsent involving "consenting adults" interesting. Please, from now on, when you are wrong just admit it.

Perhaps I'm thinking about the chat (over which Manu and Laurel do not preside, admittedly) that allows absolutely NO talk or exchange of tales involving bestiality of any kind, nor do they allow rape or anything involving minors. I cannot see how it would make sense that they don't allow stories involving minors because of "legality", yet allow rape and bestiality stories when both of these practices are ALSO illegal. It seems logical to me that the REASON both paedophilia and bestiality are not permitted in many sites like these is because of consent issues having to do not with force (as in rape), but because both animals and small children are not intellectually equivalent to an adult who CAN give consent with full understanding of what sexual congress entails.

I was under the impession that the bestiality stories WERE linked, under the "Extreme" heading, to another site not affiliated with Lit (yes, I've visited the Extreme section to see what it was all about). If I was wrong, I stand corrected.

But like paedophilia, I still stand by my opinion that bestiality is repulsive.

 

[MWG]

Come on, folks. Let's take it easy. It's a Fall night - pumpkins dot the neighbor's lawn, and you've started fantisizing about that Turkey you'll be gobbling up in a few weeks. You're thinking 'bout popping some cider in the microwave and cozying up by the radiator. Now, let's give Miss Asks About A Link That Has Some Bestiality a rest. She never said anything explicit about being into beastiality; she just enquired about a link, which in addition to other topics included stories about beastiality. I'm familiar with the link she's talking about...I bet a lot of people are. So what?

Even if she was explicitly asking about beast. stories, that's hardly self-incriminating.

Ok, back to cider and Halloween spooks....

I'm actually thinking about all the alcohol I'll be consuming on Halloween night- the day after my 21st birthday. *dreamy grin*

 

[Holly Delight]

I was just wondering, what happened to the extreme section?

Sorry...I misread this as extreme unction.

Anyone know what happened to that? Just wondering....

 

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[MWG]

Like I said before, it has ntohing to do with the legality of the acts. The stories are not illegal at all.....as sad as it is, it is true.

Beastiality stories are not illegal, and I have read here that the actual act itself is not illegal if not done with someone elses pet (correct me if I am wrong)

I do agree with you it is repulsive, but the stories are not illegal.

They are not featured here because Laurel and Manu do NOT LIKE THEM. Thats the only reason.


I come here because I agree with them, I do not like those stories either.

Actually, there is no policy on Lit. about beastiality - only about sex involving children, and that is not beceause of consent - it is about legality (Lit. is based in California, and I believe even textual stories about child sex there may be illegal) and/or it is about what Laurel and Manu are comfortable with and where they wish to draw the line (which I agree with it). If it was about consent, then we wouldn't have stories about non-consent, would we?

This is the post I was responding to when I was talking about legality. In one breath he says it's about legality because the site is based in California, which is why stories involving minors are prohibited- yet rape is (I'm assuming, and would certainly hope) illegal in California also, and stories about rape are allowed here nonetheless. That doesn't really make sense.

I can agree with the fact that Laurel and Manu simply don't like those kinds of stories, since this site isn't really a democracy- more like the Kingdom of Laurel and Manu. I confused the story section of Lit with their chat section, which doesn't allow ANY of that, but Digichat isn't owned by Laurel or Manu, so that makes sense.

 

[The Heretic]

Perhaps I'm thinking about the chat (over which Manu and Laurel do not preside, admittedly) that allows absolutely NO talk or exchange of tales involving bestiality of any kind, nor do they allow rape or anything involving minors.

Actually, just re-reading the story submission guidelines I notice they have changed - so you are right in the respect.

I cannot see how it would make sense that they don't allow stories involving minors because of "legality", yet allow rape and bestiality stories when both of these practices are ALSO illegal. It seems logical to me that the REASON both paedophilia and bestiality are not permitted in many sites like these is because of consent issues having to do not with force (as in rape), but because both animals and small children are not intellectually equivalent to an adult who CAN give consent with full understanding of what sexual congress entails.

And yet non-consent involving adults is?

Look, with respect to illegal acts and works of fiction, the former is illegal, the latter is not - simple as that. I can write a story about rape, about murder, even about beasitality or pedophilia, and in the USA this is not illegal (at least not under federal law). As others have said, it is not about consent, but rather about what Laurel and Manu are comfortable with.

 

[MWG]

Actually, just re-reading the story submission guidelines I notice they have changed - so you are right in the respect.

Look, with respect to illegal acts and works of fiction, the former is illegal, the latter is not - simple as that. I can write a story about rape, about murder, even about beasitality or pedophilia, and in the USA this is not illegal (at least not under federal law). As others have said, it is not about consent, but rather about what Laurel and Manu are comfortable with.

This is actually a question of interest - are you serious that writing a work of fiction about paedophilia is not illegal even if published? (Since that's what we're talking about, having a public forum to display these kinds of literal fantasies). I thought ANY kind of child porn was restricted- or is it just that which involves children in the production?

There has been so much regarding people cracking down on paedophilic material in the news that it's hard to keep straight exactly what's legal and what's not anymore.

 

[The Heretic]

This is the post I was responding to when I was talking about legality. In one breath he says it's about legality because the site is based in California, which is why stories involving minors are prohibited- yet rape is (I'm assuming, and would certainly hope) illegal in California also, and stories about rape are allowed here nonetheless. That doesn't really make sense.

Laurel and Manu need to go by the laws where they do business - hence my statement. Stories about child molestation are not illegal federally, but may be in California or San Diego. If illegal there then that law may not hold up in court, but Laurel/Manu would be wise not to test it. That is what I was speaking of.

 

[The Heretic]

This is actually a question of interest - are you serious that writing a work of fiction about paedophilia is not illegal even if published? (Since that's what we're talking about, having a public forum to display these kinds of literal fantasies). I thought ANY kind of child porn was restricted- or is it just that which involves children in the production?

There has been so much regarding people cracking down on paedophilic material in the news that it's hard to keep straight exactly what's legal and what's not anymore.

A textual story featuring incest, pedophilia, child molestation, snuff (murder), sodomy, beastiality, rape, necrophilia, whatever, is protected under the First Amendment. All of those actual acts (not writing about them, but doing them) are illegal in some locale or another in the US, writing about them isn't (although for some locales it may be).

Photos are illegal because children/animals had to actually be involved to produce the photos. This line is blurring because computers are now capable of producing photo-realistic images without actually involving any persons whatsoever - so the legal-eagles are hashing out those issues now.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You haven't read enough of the non-consent stories, and I find the idea of nonconsent involving "consenting adults" interesting. Please, from now on, when you are wrong just admit it.

THis issue was discussed at length in this thread: check it out.


https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188646&highlight=americandemon

 

[The Heretic]

THis issue was discussed at length in this thread: check it out.


https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188646&highlight=americandemon

Thanks for the link. I liked the one comment "There was one story I reported the other day in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy section that went horribly awry at the end, incorporating as non-consensual of a rape as possible, faux-bestiality (shapeshifting) and ending in the sex-induced-death of the victim. But I bet the story would still be there if she had come before she died."

This makes the point that you really need to let the audience decide, and that artificial criteria as to content are of little value and there are many ways around them. I am sure I could write a story that would offend anyone and yet be within any workable guidelines most people could concoct.

Still, guidelines we must have otherwise the audience here might get into a tissy fit about being offended. You would think they were adults and could exercise their own discretion in what they choose to read, but I guess not.

I read stories from ASSTR (they are simple text files, easily downloadable so I can put them on my laptop for masturbation foder in my bedroom), and believe me there is a lot worse there because anything goes - but then I am an adult who can decide what to read for myself.

 

[Debbie]

I didn't even know the extreme section was gone.

 

[MWG]

Still, guidelines we must have otherwise the audience here might get into a tissy fit about being offended. You would think they were adults and could exercise their own discretion in what they choose to read, but I guess not.

I read stories from ASSTR (they are simple text files, easily downloadable so I can put them on my laptop for masturbation foder in my bedroom), and believe me there is a lot worse there because anything goes - but then I am an adult who can decide what to read for myself.

I don't think I ever proposed that they SHOULDN'T be on the site, I just said they weren't, and thought there was a legal reason for it (though it appears I was mistaken; it DOES happen amongst those of us who are humble enough to admit it)- or at least, as you suggested, just a matter of personal taste on the parts of the owners.

I expressly told the guy, "Hey, whatever floats your boat", but my opinion is simply that stories involving animals or children are fucking sick.

 

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[His_sugar]

I could be wrong ( not the first time today )..

But, the extreme section was hosted by someone other than Laurel and Manu and was linked by them to Literotica.

I know Laurels rules very well and what she expects and accepts. I know her feelings on the topics of incest, beastiality and rape.

Someone would need to ask her, but I would bet for whatever reason, 'they' parted ways with the site that was hosting the extreme stories.

At Laurel and Manu's chat, we don't allow beastiality rooms, usernames or profiles that reflect that. We do have a "Family room" where people may roleplay whatever they want as long as all of the users are over the age of 18. We don't allow rape to be a part of a username, profile or room name. We have it filtered out.

 

[morbidfetishism]

mmmmmkay

your missing the point entirely... everyone that posted here when i typed that had absolutely stuck there nose up at her. now you are trying to play it off. believe it or not here were plenty that agreed but they only shared via private message. why? they don't want to deal with the drama i guess. and as far as the consitution goes... what can i say that was stupid and your right. but you are still missing the point.

 

[MWG]

Re: mmmmmkay

your missing the point entirely... everyone that posted here when i typed that had absolutely stuck there nose up at her. now you are trying to play it off. believe it or not here were plenty that agreed but they only shared via private message. why? they don't want to deal with the drama i guess. and as far as the consitution goes... what can i say that was stupid and your right. but you are still missing the point.

I'm not missing the point. I understand the point. She asked a question. In my normal fashion, I was a little sarcastic- there are people here FAR worse than me in that respect. Plenty of people here josh around sarcastically and don't take it too much to heart. As this person was a newb, perhaps a little education of the dynamics here was in order. Some people are nice and always very cordial and flirty and what-have-you. Some of us are sarcastic, caustic, but generally mean no harm unless there is a heated debate going on, and even then, we're only exercising said 1st amendment right. It's just words on a screen. Take them as you will.

I never said the stories SHOULDN'T be here. I said that they weren't (and they aren't), and as I mentioned a few posts back, I thought it was due to a legal stipulation, but it appears I was wrong, so I retract any statements indicative thereof. However, my opinion that bestiality and child sex stories are sick still stands. Just as one person has the right to say what they will, I also have that right. 1st amendment rights don't end when someone disagrees with another.

An opinion is subjective to one's tastes- myself, I don't really mind anything involving ghosts or vampires, stuff like that. There's no real proof that they exist. They're, for the most part, mythical beings. I also don't mind non-consent where adults are concerned, or at least the ones where the "victim" eventually comes to enjoy the act. However, someone earlier linked to a story that wasn't up my alley as far as non-consent- where the woman is beaten and kicked and pummeled, basically like a punching bag that the guy eventually fucks.

Animals, to me, is just god-awful sick because it seems classless (who is so desperate that they have to fuck an animal? Why can't they get someone who can actually understand a request for sex and say "yes or no"?), an animal is INCAPABLE of conveying an affirmative or oppositional stance to a sexual act, and the size difference between most domestic animals and a human would seem to me like cruelty (use your imagination- ugh). The same applies to children, and I HAVE a child myself, so that's also why that's a hot button for me. I also contribute and support the cause of a site that sort of patrols chatrooms where older guys go not to just talk about sex, GRAPHICALLY, with younger (we're talking 13 and 14 year old) children, but actually try to set up meetings with them to actually consummate the "fantasy". So paedophilia just totally turns my stomach. But I realise that people have a right to write about it so long as they intend to harm no children, or did not do so in the process.

 

[Debbie]

it's not me who's acting like an asshole.. get your shit straight

I read the posts and thought most of them did not qualify as asshole comments.

Stick around there are assholes here that are highly entertaining.

On the other hand there are also a lot of damn cool
people too.

"Literotica isn't "just a porn board." It's a community. A community is a group of people who live, work, and/or play together. We form friendships, we form cliques, we form enemies, we form actual relationships. We all extend a piece of ourselves every time we post in the hope that the rest of the community will accept that piece. When that piece is rejected it hurts. Some people react by getting angry, some by getting sarcastic, some by being assholes, some just leave. Literotica is online, you don't meet, see, or even know very much about the people you interact with. But, you still have a relationship with these people. It's an escape from real life, some people say, but the truth is that you haven't left real life, you've just extended its scope. Welcome to Literotica, welcome to real life. - KillerMuffin"

 

[Glassdreams]

I could be wrong ( not the first time today )..

But, the extreme section was hosted by someone other than Laurel and Manu and was linked by them to Literotica.

I know Laurels rules very well and what she expects and accepts. I know her feelings on the topics of incest, beastiality and rape.

Someone would need to ask her, but I would bet for whatever reason, 'they' parted ways with the site that was hosting the extreme stories.

At Laurel and Manu's chat, we don't allow beastiality rooms, usernames or profiles that reflect that. We do have a "Family room" where people may roleplay whatever they want as long as all of the users are over the age of 18. We don't allow rape to be a part of a username, profile or room name. We have it filtered out.

Thank you, thats all I wanted to know, I wasn't trying to force beast on any of you or the site. Oh and Debbie I was responding to a post.

 

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