Extended Author Notes for "Family Camping Vacation"

[8letters]

I love whole family stories, I’ve been trying to come up with one for a while. I started three whole family stories, and abandoned each when I realized they weren’t working. During this time, I spent a lot of time thinking about whole family stories, categorizing them in different ways. One category is the Energizer Bunny families, who can fuck all day long, and each family member fucks lots of different people. I didn’t want to write one of those. Then there are the “there’s no tomorrow” families, where none of the family members think about what will happen long term after they’ve fucked their family member. As a writer, my characters very much have a long-term plan before they commit incest. But the key problem in my first three attempts was that I couldn’t come up with a mom who had enough wrong with her that the dad is open to moving on from her, but also is appealing enough for the son to want to be with her. It's easy enough to come up with why the daughter appeals to the dad and the dad appeals to the daughter. There are lots of MF relationships out there with that age gap. But it's hard for me to come up with why a son would appeal to his mom and why a mom would appeal to her son.

I eventually hit on the idea that the son was a doofus and the mom covered his deficiencies. It was then easy to come up with the dad and daughter - the daughter is the exact opposite of the son, and the dad admires her competence. I decided it would be what I term “a split and reform” story, where the mom and dad would split, and the family would reform with the mom and son as one couple, and the dad and daughter as the other couple.

Another big issue with whole family stories is whether the son and daughter have sex. A lot of whole family stories start with the son and daughter having sex, then the son seduces the mom while the daughter seduces the dad. To me, such stories require a casualness about the incest, and I think my strength is in having my characters be very serious about committing incest.

So, I decided that the son would be twenty and the daughter would be eighteen. Why is the hunky son available? Because he’s a doofus. Of course. Why is the daughter available? I wanted the daughter to be a well-endowed pretty virgin as I really like my eighteen-year-old characters to be well-endowed pretty virgins. But if she’s pretty and well-endowed, why isn’t she doing the horizontal bop with a boyfriend? I came up with the idea that she didn’t have a boyfriend because she was involved with another girl.

And that led me to my idea for the ending. I had read a whole family story where, in chapter two, the family has the daughter’s best friend Jackie and her mom over. The son fucks Jackie, the dad fucks Jackie’s mom, the dad fucks Jackie, and then Jackie says, “I’m in love with your daughter and want to marry her someday.” That really bothered me. It didn’t ruin the story for me - it was a stroker, so whatever - but it just felt very wrong that Jackie should have sex with the son and the dad but not with the daughter when she was in love with the daughter. So, one of my first decisions about this story was that I’d fix Something That Was Wrong On The Internet by ending the story with Jackie having a threesome with the dad and the daughter. There would be a split and reform with the mom and son as a couple, and the dad, the daughter and Jackie as a throuple.

I sent my friend TM the opening scene on 9/23. The pieces of the setup seemed to fall naturally in place. I sent him part 2 a few days later. But I had nothing more to write. The only other scene I had in my head was the final MFF scene. Then I came up with the scene wear Casey wants Phil to touch her tits, and she tells him that she’s having sex with Jackie. I knew I wanted a steady progression from there, but I couldn’t picture it.

A big problem was that I couldn’t picture where they were camping. Initially, I was imagining the campsite from “The Twins Go Camping” with the same tubing stream. But I didn’t want to do the same thing for this story. I wanted there to be other families, but also Phil and family should be able to get complete privacy. A state park would be way too crowded. I thought about canoeing for a while. Alwayswantedto wrote several stories that feature canoeing, and canoeing seemed to have some of the elements I was looking for - sometimes you’d stop at a camping site and there’d be other canoers, and sometimes you’d stop someplace and you’d be all alone. But I wanted topless tubing to be the thing that kicks things off, and I didn’t see a way to have something like that with canoeing. I considered a campground where you had to ride over to it on a speedboat, but I didn’t think that made sense. If I had a speedboat in the story, then I had to have a dock, and then I might as well have a lake house, and I didn’t want to have a lake house. I already have a story set in a lake house.

Eventually, I came up with a small campground on a private lake. Not sure how realistic it is. I thought a while about the septic system for the bathrooms and decided it was best not to discuss the topic. But the small campground was perfect for the story with lots of potential activities for the family to do.

Continued...

 

[HaralLuhhan]

I'm looking forward to seeing the final product

 

[8letters]

Once I had the campground knocked out, the plot started falling into place. TM asked me some questions about how the story was going to end, so I decided to sit down and write a plot outline, which is something I have never done before. As I did so, I worked out the remaining plot points of the story. Here’s what I sent to TM:
When the family arrives, there are two other families at the campground. Phil and Jenny talk about the two sets of parents as potential swapping partners. Jenny and Phil discretely rub themselves against each other when the kids aren't looking.

Oh, the cabin has a small bedroom, but its walls are very thin so the kids can hear if Phil and Jenny get too noisy in the bedroom.

The other families leave, and Phil's family has the campsite to themselves. Jenny and Phil decide to go tubing down the stream. When they get to the entry point of the stream, Jenny takes her top off. On the way down, Phil and Jenny regularly kiss and he plays with her tits. You can tube all the way into the lake, but there's also an exit thirty feet before the stream enters the lake. When Phil and Jenny arrive at the exit point, Casey is angrily waiting there. Jenny and Phil are all embarrassed at being caught by Casey. Casey tells them that Trevor has been staring at her tits. Jenny puts her top on and promises to talk to Trevor.

Later that day, it's time for Phil to spend time with Casey. Casey wants to go tubing down the stream. Phil agrees. When the get to the entry point, Casey takes off her top. Phil tells her to put it back on. She says, "Dad, you promised that I could do anything I wanted when we are out together in the afternoon." "Well, I meant anything within reason." "Mom did it, so it's reasonable." "Casey, it's not reasonable." "Don't you like my tits, Dad?" Etc. Casey continues to insist. Phil caves. On the way down, Casey talks about how much she enjoys being topless. "I'm definitely going to do this tomorrow when I'm with you. I wonder if Mom would like to go topless more?" Phil feels guilty and that he's a horrible dad, but really enjoys hanging with his daughter and seeing her marvelous tits.

That night, Phil and Jenny talk. Jenny is frustrated by Trevor. He felt justified in staring at Casey's tits. Phil tells Jenny about Casey taking her top off. Phil proposes that they tell the kids that if they are good, when Phil and Casey go off, Casey can topless and Jenny will go topless. This will be a tiny dry run to see if how jealous they get when the other is off with someone else. They'll only do it for the rest of the vacation, and then everything will go back to normal.

They tell the kids the plan the next morning. Trevor enthusiastically agrees. Casey is pleased. The kids are well-behaved all day and the family has a lot of fun together. After lunch, Casey and Phil leave to go tubing. They have a great time. When they get out, Casey tells Phil to touch her tits. Phil refuses. Casey tells Phil that she's seen Phil and Mom rubbing against each other. Phil continues to refuse to touch Casey's tits. Casey tells Phil that she and Jackie are lovers. When they first started making out, both of them were sure that they were gay. Now, Casey isn't so sure. She still likes looking at boys occasionally. It may be that boys her age don't appeal to her because of their immaturity. Casey asks Phil to touch her tits so she can know if she's gay or bisexual. Phil gives in. He starts cupping his daughter's tits, and they are wonderful. Casey moans in delight. She kisses him. Phil stops things and they return home.

When Phil gets back to the camp, he and Jenny talk. Jenny tells him that Trevor couldn't take his eyes off her tits the whole time, and she loved it. They played on the tree swings and talked, and had a great time. Phil tells Jenny that Casey has seen them rubbing against each other and about touching Casey's tits. He doesn't not to tell Jenny about Casey and Jackie being lovers as he thinks she'd massively disapprove. They decide that the next morning, they'd go out on the lake as separate couples, but nothing unusual while out on the lake. Then in the afternoon, the two couples will go over to different picnic table areas and the rules will be that the women will go topless and touching is okay, but the rest of the clothes stay on. That evening, the family has a great time playing games together. Trevor and Casey get along the best they ever have. Jenny openly rubs her tits against Phil several times. When they get in bed, they kiss passionately for a long time. They talk about how swapping could revive the passion in their marriage.

The next morning, Phil and Casey go paddleboarding while Jenny and Trevor go kayaking. Both couples had a lot more fun going off on their own. After lunch, Phil and Casey go off to one of the picnic areas while Jenny and Trevor go off to the other. Phil and Casey kiss and madly make out. After a while, Casey lays chest down on the picnic table while Phil stands behind her, and he grinds his cock into her ass. That night in bed, Jenny says, "Let's see if we can handle telling each other what we did without getting jealous." She gives Phil a handjob while telling him about how Trevor sucked on her tits most of the time, and she loved it. Phil tells her about what he and Casey did. Jenny has Phil suck on her tits until he cums.

Probably another day here. Phil and Casey strip naked, he rubs his cock all over her ass and cums on her back. Casey tells him that she wants him to take her virginity. Jenny gives Trevor two blowjobs. That night, after Phil and Jenny tell what they each did, Jenny gives Phil a blowjob.

The next day is the last day. In the morning, Phil and Casey go out on the lake while Jenny and Trevor stay at the campsite. After lunch, Jenny and Trevor go out on the lake while Phil and Casey stay at the campsite. Phil and Casey make love. That night, Phil and Jenny tell each other how happy they are and cuddle for a while before going to sleep.

The next morning, the family packs up, leaves the campsite, and drives home. After they drop all the stuff off at home, they go out to a nice restaurant to celebrate the end of the vacation. Phil and Jenny reiterate that what happened on vacation stays at the campsite and nothing like that will happen now that they are home. Both kids are disappointed; Trevor much more so. He tries to argue for continuing things, but gets cut off with "Not in public."

After they get home, Phil says he wants to talk with Jenny in their bedroom. He tells her that Casey and Jackie are lovers, and that he wants Jackie to move in with them and for Casey and Jackie to openly be lovers. Jenny is angry about this. Finally, she agrees to it if she and Trevor can continue to make love for the rest of the summer, and that she won't make love to Phil during that time. Phil agrees to that on the condition that they look for swinging partners during the summer and start swinging once Trevor goes off to college. Jenny agrees to that and then points out that, now that Casey has her lover living with her, Phil won't be able to have sex with her. Phil says he understands that. What is important to him is Casey's happiness. He never intended for him and Casey to continue being lovers, and Jackie's presence will force them to return to a normal dad-daughter relationship, regardless of how much they'd like to make love again. Phil and Jenny sleep together without touching. He feels more distant from his wife than before the vacation but hopes they will be able to patch things up once Trevor moves away.

The next morning, Phil tells Casey that Jackie can move in with them and the two of them can openly be lovers. Casey is thrilled. She goes over to Jackie's house, and they tell Jackie's parents that they are lovers. Jackie's parents are virulently anti-gay and kick Jackie out of the house. That was wanted Casey and Jackie wanted and expected. Jackie moves into Casey's bedroom.

That evening, Jenny asks Phil to sneak into Trevor's bedroom to sleep. With Jackie moving in, Jenny and Trevor haven't had a chance to make love, and Jenny wants to make love to Trevor in her bed and sleep with him there. Phil agrees.

As Phil is sneaking down the hallway to Trevor's bedroom, Casey sees him and invites him into her bedroom. She tells him that she's told Jackie everything. Casey says that her description of how wonderful sex with him was that Jackie is now curious about making love to. She suspects that she's also bisexual, though most gay. She asks Phil to take her virginity. He does so while Casey watches and encourages Jackie. Casey then makes love to Phil. The three of them cuddle, and Phil tells Casey and Jackie about Jenny wanting to make love to Trevor for the rest of the summer. Casey says, "Well, he can move into her bedroom, and you can move into ours." Phil happily agrees.

 

[8letters]

TM had some feedback:
A couple of thoughts on the ending: I don't like the idea of Phil getting kicked out of his bedroom. My idea here would be that the house has either a second master bedroom (i.e. with its own bathroom) or a mother-in-law guest house for Jenny's mom, who died a year or two previously. The idea being that Phil doesn't end up in Casey's bedroom on a permanent basis in his own house--both the mom and dad get their own master bedrooms.

And in a similar vein, I'd want Phil to have his plans lined up with Casey before he gives Jenny permission to consummate things with Trevor. Could be immediately before, fsay. But I don't like the idea of Phil getting demoted in his own house....he's not getting demoted, he's trading up! And I'd also want Casey deciding that she's just as in love with Phil as she is with Jackie--Phil shouldn't be her side piece. I think it's really important that Phil remains the master of his own house by the end of the story.

I replied:
How about this? When Phil is talking with Jenny, he agrees to spend the night in the second master bedroom. He goes there and gets ready for bed. Casey and Jackie show up. Phil tells Casey what happened. Casey says, "Just as I hoped Mom would." While they were cuddling after making love in the cabin, they had come up with a plan for continuing to be lovers once they got home. Casey got Jackie to agree to sharing her with Phil before they told Jackie's parents that they were a couple. Jackie announces that Casey's description of how great sex was with Phil has convinced her to try it too.

TM also suggested:
Maybe Casey has a thing for older men? Boys her own age are completely unappealing, but an in-shape mature confident middle-aged man drives her wild?

When I write a story, I initially only have a vague idea of the personality of each character. Characters are what they do, so their personalities get fleshed out as I write. As I wrote Casey, she became more and more a one-man woman who was looking for the right mature man to love and found him in her father. Eventually, I tossed the idea of having a MFF ending - Casey wanted Phil all to herself.

So, I now didn’t have an ending. At the campground, Phil would fuck Casey when Jenny would fuck Trevor, but then the family would plan to go back to normal once they got home. They go home, something happens, and Phil fucks Casey as Trevor fucks Jenny. Once the fucking stop, Phil and Jenny agree that their marriage is over and Phil would from now on be with Casey and Jenny would be with Trevor. But how the family goes from acting normally to fucking like bunnies, I didn’t have a clue.

When I sent TM the section where Casey wears a skirt as they climb the hill, he strongly suggested that the family go out in the evening for a double date. I tossed out the idea of going to a drive-in theater. TM loved it. I felt it wouldn’t work. With bucket seats, it’d be very hard for the couple in the front seat to have a steady make-out progression. But the biggest reason is that the two couples wanted privacy for their making out - Phil didn’t want Jenny to see him making out with their daughter, and vice versa.

I reached the point where Phil is going to fuck Casey in their cabin, and I had no desire to write it. Writing another generic fuck-on-a-bed scene didn’t appeal to me, and I couldn’t get myself to sit down to write it for weeks. Eventually, I took some lines for a similar fuck from "My Cookie-Baking Sister" and some lines from a similar fuck in "A Flirting Workshop with My Sister" to get me something to start with. I reworded the lines to fit this story, and then things fell into place.

By this time, I had the ending worked out. One day, I thought about Casey wearing sexy stockings and a skirt at the house. Phil says, “You can’t wear that.” Just that little slice. I dismissed it at first, but then I realized I could use it as an instigating moment.

At some point, I decided that the family orgy wasn’t a sufficient ending for the story. It was too abrupt. It’d make the story too close to a “there’s no tomorrow” whole family story. TM had suggested many times that he’d like a story to end with the couple getting married in their backyard, and he had suggested that this story end with a double marriage in Phil and Jenny’s backyard. I didn’t care for that. But then I came up with the idea of having the double marriage at the campground and them deciding to buy it, and I felt that provided great closure for the story.

I think this is an unusual whole family as it is a dad-daughter story in parallel with a mom-son story. I wonder if readers would like me to do a chapter 2 that is the same story except told from Jenny’s point of view.

 

[Underdog_13]

A second chapter with Jenny's POV would be interesting, but I'm not sure you'd want to write it. I surely hope so.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

I read the story and enjoyed it very much. Like you, I get turned on by what you term a ‘split and reform’ story. Indeed, I wrote one myself: https://www.literotica.com/s/sauce-for-the-goose-4

There’s something incredibly hot about parents coupling up with their kids and forming permanent relationships with them, to the expense of their former partners.

I’m glad Jackie didn’t make her originally planned appearance. In the end, it’s hotter to have the daughter submit to her dad and forget the girlfriend (although perhaps any lesbians reading the story might be a bit pissed off that she turns straight, once she found the right man).

My only slight quibble was the choice to write in the first person. That way you missed out on the mother-son side of the story, although that would be addressed if you did a part two?

 

[ahass1966]

I loved the story from the father’s POV, and would be highly interested in a second version (and perhaps an extension) from the mother’s.

 

[8letters]

I read the story and enjoyed it very much. Like you, I get turned on by what you term a ‘split and reform’ story. Indeed, I wrote one myself: https://www.literotica.com/s/sauce-for-the-goose-4

There’s something incredibly hot about parents coupling up with their kids and forming permanent relationships with them, to the expense of their former partners.

I’m glad Jackie didn’t make her originally planned appearance. In the end, it’s hotter to have the daughter submit to her dad and forget the girlfriend (although perhaps any lesbians reading the story might be a bit pissed off that she turns straight, once she found the right man).

My only slight quibble was the choice to write in the first person. That way you missed out on the mother-son side of the story, although that would be addressed if you did a part two?

I read your story. It's not a hard split like mine. The mom is still occasionally having sex with the dad, and the brother is occasionally having sex with his sister. In mine, Phil and Jenny are effectively divorced and remarried.

You have a good point about first person vs third person. I think readers would have found descriptions of Jenny and Trevor hot. BUT...The story is already 15 pages. Adding in descriptions of Jenny and Trevor going at it would push it out even more.