Essay on Poly and Jealousy

serijules

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Someone emailed me having found my website and wanting to ask some questions about poly relationships, specifically on how to deal with jealousy issues, if it gets better, how I cope, and so forth. I thought I would share my thoughts here as well as I know there are some that have a hard time asking this question because of the negativity surrounding jealousy as a topic at times.

My situation is a little bit different than most in the sense that I am not truly poly. I just somehow always seem to find myself in relationships where my partner is poly. Some of my experiences have been terrible...others (like my current one) are REAL and when all is said and done, very good.

My first two relationships were poly in different ways. The first was a man who wanted all the benefits and none of the reality. The reality is that you really have to be committed to each relationship. Quality time and attention is important in any relationship, and some people are just not cut out to juggle that and the rest of their lives with any sort of ease. I was hurt because he expected too much from me without being willing to guide me and teach me.

My second ended because my Domme found a lover and explored her subside with him, to a point where my relationship with her took a very far back seat in her life. I couldn't handle that. It made me unhappy and resentful. I moved on and said I would never do poly again.

Yet here I am. This time the difference is I found someone who truly loves and respects each of her submissives and partners, and has the ability and willingness to handle the responsibility of having those multiple relationships. I trust her, I trust her to always handle me with respect and love. I sometimes struggle with trusting the others and their intentions, and I always work on that. It doesn't get easier really, it just gets more familiar and with that familiarity comes better coping techniques and ease of acceptance.

However, because of my not-really-poly-at-all nature, I tend to get easily jealous and upset. Oddly enough, as fast as I get upset, I'm just as quick sometimes to realize "cripes Seri, all is fine, get over yourself" and feel better once I've let that "poison" out to air. I'm not really sure jealous is the right word for it because I don't resent the others or wish they were not a part of Ma'am's life. I don't even wish I were in their shoes. I just tend to let their presence allow me to feel as if I am less important or allow fears that they will lessen what I am and what I give. I have a hard time dealing with feeling as though I am "enough" and at times resentful that the limited time Ma'am has is split with others. I selfishly want to be very important, very special. Very "enough".

What I finally realized is that I AM important and special. This is not measured in the amount of time she spends with me compared to others, and there is no scale of who is best and most wanted or whatnot. Realizing this and BELIEVING it has helped me a lot with the "jealous" feelings and insecure feelings. That doesn't mean that I never feel them or think them anymore, I just am able to realize that I am being silly and work through it. Oftentimes working through those feelings also brings me in touch with just how loved and important and enough I really am. It's a circle, a cycle I think, dealing with these feelings. Pretending they are not that or insisting they shouldn't be there is the worst way anyone can handle these feelings I think. I've seen many poly people loudly proclaim that there is NO room in poly relationships for jealousy or negative feelings and that their existence will shatter the relationship. I disagree. I think they are normal, healthy and albeit annoying, they are also chances to grow and strengthen a relationship by dealing with them.

It's a struggle, I won't lie about that. I hate myself sometimes for the things I feel and think but I'm also learning to just accept that what I feel is what I feel, and it's what I do with those feelings that matter; something Ma'am has taught me. A good example of this: I am going to visit Ma'am soon. It's been quite awhile since I've seen her, and part of the time that I am there, another friend will be there as well. Part of me is insecure about this,scared it will mean less attention, less time, less focus, less love for me. The other part of me is thrilled to be meeting this special person and can't wait to spend time with her and share my experiences with Ma'am with her, to talk to her and learn from her and to be shown off and have an audience. If I kept beating myself over the"negative" feelings, I would never be happy. They just are what they are and the only way it really affects our relationship is if I display those feelings in a disrespectful way, in a way that takes my focus and appreciation off of the time and love and attention that I do have or affects my realization that what we have is honest and special.

Again, it's not what you feel, it's what you do with those feelings. I fail at this sometimes too. Sometimes I get sullen and pouty and "poor me". It embarrasses me and usually makes me that much more determined to handle myself better and become a better slave. I'm human. It's ok. Ma'am is good at putting me firmly in my place.

I think the best way to deal with these feelings is just to accept them and be honest about them. The honesty is hard...I hate sharing that part of me with Ma'am, of showing her a nasty or negative side of me. I fear it will make her dislike me or be disappointed in me. I also know that she is not going to just toss me aside because I am not always thinking happy, positive things and that she not only appreciates the honesty, but DEMANDS it, expects it. So even though it causes us stressful moments as she has a hard time understanding my problems just as I at times have a hard time understanding her desires, it's worth it because it builds a solid base of honesty and trust for the rest of our relationship to stand on. That is vital to a poly relationship. Absolutely vital.

And there are benefits as well to poly, many of them. I love my subsister very much, even though at times I don't like some of the things she does and vice versa, it's a real strong family type of love and that is something I treasure. The others in Ma'am's life offer her things I cannot, things that make her life easier and happier, so accepting them and being respectful to them is a way for me to indirectly serve Ma'am, and I find just as much joy in this as I do occasional upset.

When I am having negative thoughts like "She hasn't talked to me much all weekend, I wonder if she's too busy with *so and so*" or "*so and so* has so much more to offer her than I do", I handle these moments by really focusing on my submission and on displaying that. I work harder at being respectful and obedient, I spend time on my knees reflecting, I ask her for help dealing, or even sometimes I talk to that person about how I am feeling and ask them for help sorting it out. Bringing the others into your life even in small ways, if that is possible or allowed, has been one of my best ways of coping. It allows me to understand more what they are feeling, to see how my feelings or actions affect them, and to built a greater foundation of trust and unity. It always helps to know others understand or even if they don't quite understand, know they accept you anyhow.

The others in Ma'ams life seem to deal with and handle feelings of jealousy or even have a lack of this emotion at all, much better than I do. This is upsetting to me and I have to work hard to not feel like a failure for being the "impossible one" as I sometimes tend to label myself. But what it all comes down to is I trust in Ma'ams love, beyound anything else, regardless of anything else...I trust in her love and commitment to US. I know that we will both do anything in our power to make our relationship work and that is a rock for me. I can handle anything if I just keep that in my focus. It's worth the occasional pain and hurt because the good times are so much stronger than the bad.

Poly isn't for everyone, but even if you have a hard time with it, even if you are insecure in it, if your relationship is strong and your will is strong, you will either be just fine, or realize that you just really need to be in a different kind of relationship. In my first two relationships, I realized I needed a different kind of relationship and a different kind of person to Own me. I've found out surprisingly that I rather enjoy the challenge of poly, I benefit a lot from being forced to deal with these feelings, to talk about things, to deal with hurt and grow from the lessons it brings. If I could change things, if I could change Ma'ams desires, I really don't think I would change a thing at all, other than my own ability to cope a bit better as I hate being a source of frustration to her. But that is changeable, and I'm working on it :)

Would love to hear some of YOUR ways of coping and dealing with jealousy or insecurity, either from you or your partner(s).
 
serijules said:
Would love to hear some of YOUR ways of coping and dealing with jealousy or insecurity, either from you or your partner(s).

Beautiful essay, Seri.

Jealousy is a very difficult thing, and I'm ashamed to admit that honestly I haven't found a way to deal with mine yet. Maybe my personality hasn't matured, or maybe I just haven't found a relationship yet in my life where I don't have just cause to feel so jealous and insecure. Some day I'd like to find a little mantra that I can say to myself and keep calm about my irrational feelings, but not yet.
 
Chicklet said:
Beautiful essay, Seri.

Jealousy is a very difficult thing, and I'm ashamed to admit that honestly I haven't found a way to deal with mine yet. Maybe my personality hasn't matured, or maybe I just haven't found a relationship yet in my life where I don't have just cause to feel so jealous and insecure. Some day I'd like to find a little mantra that I can say to myself and keep calm about my irrational feelings, but not yet.

Be careful about claiming irrational feelings just because you are told it is so. There are 2 sides at least to how jealousy can be viewed, and last I heard there was no definitive answer which said it was irrational, wrong, or negative to feel if your SO became or wanted to become involved with another/s. I also do not believe it means you are immature or insecure. Where is it written that we all have to accept relationships where we are one of a group as opposed to a couple or be viewed as inferior and childish for wanting monogamy and/or fidelity? It is a choice...just because one person chooses poly happily does not mean everyone else has to, just as it doesn't mean everyone should be monogomous just because someone else is. I think many people go along with such decisions because they feel they have no choice due to the feelings/choices of their SO, not because they believe it to be right for them.

Catalina :catroar:
 
Lovely essay, thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings.

*hug*
 
Cat has a good point, I too don't believe that jealousy equals immaturity. In a relationship where both partners are monogamous, it's perfectly reasonable to feel jealous of others taking up time and attention that you both have agreed should belong to each other. Within reason.

The maturity part comes into play with how you handle that jealousy or envy, not simply from the fact that you HAVE it.

I labeled this essay "poly and jealousy" for a reason...I'm talking about jealousy within a poly relationship. Different world entirely compared to jealousy in a monogamous relationship.

Many people seem to feel that just because someone has jealous or not-always-positive feelings in a poly relationship, it means they are not 'meant' to be in a poly situation. Or the myth that if you are not 100% poly yourself, you shouldn't be in a poly relationship just because your partner is poly. It's so much more complicated than those simply statements.
 
catalina_francisco said:
Be careful about claiming irrational feelings just because you are told it is so. There are 2 sides at least to how jealousy can be viewed, and last I heard there was no definitive answer which said it was irrational, wrong, or negative to feel if your SO became or wanted to become involved with another/s. I also do not believe it means you are immature or insecure. Where is it written that we all have to accept relationships where we are one of a group as opposed to a couple or be viewed as inferior and childish for wanting monogamy and/or fidelity? It is a choice...just because one person chooses poly happily does not mean everyone else has to, just as it doesn't mean everyone should be monogomous just because someone else is. I think many people go along with such decisions because they feel they have no choice due to the feelings/choices of their SO, not because they believe it to be right for them.

Catalina :catroar:

Thank you, you're right. I think I just have a bad image of myself after being told by many ex's that I'm too clingy and needy and irrationally jealous of their attentions wandering.
 
Chicklet said:
Thank you, you're right. I think I just have a bad image of myself after being told by many ex's that I'm too clingy and needy and irrationally jealous of their attentions wandering.


LOL, they are just trying to justify their actions which it sounds don't always connect with your needs. Same as a cheating partner will come up with a million reasons why they HAD TO cheat...it's a cop out when they don't want to deal. Trust your instincts and respect your needs.

Catalina :catroar:
 
Seri--thanks so much for the essay.

I think it is important to remember that jealousy is an emotion, and we can't control how we feel. I consider myself poly-capable. I am in love with my husband and my Dom. I am not at all jealous of my Dom's wife, other women he has been with or even a much younger, more beautiful woman we brought in to play with us once. (but she did not submit to him, it was a vanilla-ish 3some. I might have been a bit jealous if the encounter was more bdsm-ish)

However, my husband does not consider himself poly and has never been with anyone but me since we have been married. I would be concerned (jealous/upset) if he ever was with someone else. (I do realize this sounds incredibly hypocritical and unfair) But I know him. If he was to decide to be with someone else then that would mean there was something wrong between the two of us.
 
What a great essay, Seri! I've read quite a few on poly and jealousy, but yours rises far above most of those due to the sheer honesty, insight and examples. :rose:

Focusing on the positives has helped me cope with jealousy in the past. As you mentioned, I tend to look at the benefits to my partner and myself, i.e. a happier partner benefits me greatly, giving them the freedom to seek fulfillment or enrichment makes me feel good, etc. Being poly myself, and seeing all of the ways being able to express that is beneficial gives me a lot of perspective when it comes to my loves having other partners, I think.

I was in a relationship with a person who didn't deal with jealousy well, and that's made me see how destructive denying it and acting on it in negative ways can be. I don't ever want to be that person who tries to destroy my love's relationship(s) and hurts everyone involved with extreme, controlling, insane behavior. So, seeing how bad it can be is a major deterrent and motivation to conduct myself in a positive way.

My husband hasn't chosen to have another relationship thus far, but I'm fairly certain I'll have some issues with jealousy and such if/when he does. Part of that cetainly comes from my own issues with self-esteem, and not feeling like I get the attention and affection I need from him. Still, I know I'm unique and irreplaceable, I can do some things for him better than anyone else, and I have good tools for coping with our issues that have worked for a long time now. Plus, with as generous as he's been with my needs and wants, I believe it would be difficult for me to act on my feelings in irrational or negative ways.
 
I've said often that I don't feel jealousy as it relates to sexual relationships, but I guess that's not entirely true. Perhaps what I should be saying is that I don't feel it in the conventional sense of the word. With B., I sometimes feel like a second-class citizen, but I've found that the squeaky wheel gets the grease in that case. I have a hard time with confrontation and so does he. If one of us doesn't speak up, nothing will ever get solved. I'm slowly getting better about this, about talking about the things that bother me, and he's slowly getting better at treating me the way I feel I need to be treated.

On the flip side, B. and Kitty are the only relationships I have to balance at the moment. I have a handful of play partners, but that's it. I would like to have my very own sub at some point, but I often worry about how I'll balance such an arrangement so it's fair to everybody. (I have a real hangup about being fair to everybody.) That's one reason I'm not in a huge hurry to find someone else.
 
Thank you for that essay. It's actually something I've had to deal with myself. Funny enough, I'm not jealous of any of my husband's lovers/girlfriends. However, I do find myself very jealous of Master.

I know that it's not fair of me, after all I'm married. I have a partner 24/7 and he does not. But sometimes, the idea that he'll meet someone scares me to death. And I know, in my case, it's my own insecurities. I know he loves me. And I know that whomever he meets will have to accept me as part of his life, as he's told me this before. But that voice inside your head, the one that tells you you're not smart enough, or pretty enough, or good enough... also tells me, that he'll meet someone and I'll be put on the shelf.. that he'll love her more.

As I said, it's something I.. we're... dealing with. We call it pokin the Green Meanie. I've also been reading The Ethical Slut. Chapter 7 is devoted to jealousy in D/s relationships and poly relationships and has really opened my eyes to the fact that it's ok to be jealous, it's a human reaction. However, when I feel it, it's up to me do choose to either give in and wallow in the mire of fear and dread and self-depreciation... or accept I'm feeling it and examine why I'm feeling that way and address THOSE issues instead.

Sometimes it's the fear of being left behind. Sometimes it's the fear that I cant trust him... what if he's with someone behind my back?... Luckily, I have the most communicative of Masters and he encourages me to discuss everything with him. I knew about the relationship he was in when we met and he and my husband talked about the relationship dynamics of the three of us before we even met physically. And sometimes, that's the thing I cling to when I'm starting to feel the jealousy/doubts creep in...
 
EmpressFi said:
Thank you for that essay. It's actually something I've had to deal with myself. Funny enough, I'm not jealous of any of my husband's lovers/girlfriends. However, I do find myself very jealous of Master.

I know that it's not fair of me, after all I'm married. I have a partner 24/7 and he does not. But sometimes, the idea that he'll meet someone scares me to death. And I know, in my case, it's my own insecurities. I know he loves me. And I know that whomever he meets will have to accept me as part of his life, as he's told me this before. But that voice inside your head, the one that tells you you're not smart enough, or pretty enough, or good enough... also tells me, that he'll meet someone and I'll be put on the shelf.. that he'll love her more.

As I said, it's something I.. we're... dealing with. We call it pokin the Green Meanie. I've also been reading The Ethical Slut. Chapter 7 is devoted to jealousy in D/s relationships and poly relationships and has really opened my eyes to the fact that it's ok to be jealous, it's a human reaction. However, when I feel it, it's up to me do choose to either give in and wallow in the mire of fear and dread and self-depreciation... or accept I'm feeling it and examine why I'm feeling that way and address THOSE issues instead.

Sometimes it's the fear of being left behind. Sometimes it's the fear that I cant trust him... what if he's with someone behind my back?... Luckily, I have the most communicative of Masters and he encourages me to discuss everything with him. I knew about the relationship he was in when we met and he and my husband talked about the relationship dynamics of the three of us before we even met physically. And sometimes, that's the thing I cling to when I'm starting to feel the jealousy/doubts creep in...

What I was reminded of while reading this is the tremendous amount of trust poly requires to work well, and how the amount of trust often has a lot to do with the jealousy we feel.

My husband's main fear when we started opening our relationship was that I'd leave him for someone else. He had to trust me completely when I said "that's never going to happen" to be comfortable going forward with nonmonogamy, and I think that trust has been one of the main reasons he's never felt much jealousy.

And, as you alluded to, it's vital for everyone involved to establish respect and trust. It gets rid of some of the fear of the unknown and can mitigate a lot of problems from the start.
 
Thanks for the essay. I've been thinking a bit about poly lately. I originally thought I never would, but I've recently met a triad and I've been kind of in awe of how well it seems to work for them. I still kind of doubt it would ever work for me, but meeting them has kind of shattered some misconceptions I had.
 
Seri
I love your essay!!! It was incredible..;) I too am like you in many ways a little jealousy is healthy but if it tears you apart inside is where it might be a problem. I reflect like you how to make sure I dont let it get it out of hand. ;)
 
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