epigenetics

[teknight]

Yeah Tek, evolutionary biologists hold the secrets of the universe.Exclusively.

Cute post. Really. Did you type it up all on your own?
How about IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB AND THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN ME OR YOU OR HIM, since he doesn't understand the process?

Good job on a pointless post. Do you feel better for publicly slapping me now?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yea I hate our eyes, and lots of other things. People who claim intelligent design just need to look at the body. Either god didn't do it, or he was drunk off his ass at the time.

I hate evolution, I don't get it, it don't make sense, and it produces shity results.

And teeth, I hate those too.

You keep thinking of evolution as a "dice game," it won't make sense. Think of it as macrame-- string theory, if you will.

Sure there are a ton of whys and wherefores we don't know, but that's the thing about science-- it's a process. We keep on trying to find out. We do that by constructing hypotheses, testing them, discarding-- that's always the hard part-- the ones that don't work.

it takes time, and it's really tough to have to acknowledge that the answers might not all be found in our lifetimes.

 

[Netzach]

This is why I don't understand evolution. If the theory of evolution is correct then it must constantly produce useless components that have no functions, until millions of years later when another layer emerges in which all those little components can come together and produce something that has a function, which really has no relation at all to the components other then that they are building blocks within it. Even if you decide sure, it's all a dice game, even then the numbers don't add up. The number of generations in which it happens are less then random chance would require.

I love Gould. Evolution is like highly unintelligent design, the design world I relate to. "Shit well that didn't work, so we'll stick this on its head, yeah!" "Why?" "Dunno, cool huh?"

 

[Netzach]

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that personality, disease markers, who knows what else could soon be switched on and off like some kind of genetic "clapper"

Nice news for those of us with autoimmune diseases, kind of daunting when you think about other genetic propensities of controversy and wrong hands and all that.

 

[where]

nice to see tek is still makeing friends and influencing people

I can't get my head round the sciency stuff and I'm a a bit worried about how social biology is sometimes used to in what can appear to be rather oppressive ways. I think I'll just stick with the end result of it all, sociology.

 

[teknight]

nice to see tek is still makeing friends and influencing people

I can't get my head round the sciency stuff and I'm a a bit worried about how social biology is sometimes used to in what can appear to be rather oppressive ways. I think I'll just stick with the end result of it all, sociology.

I can't make friends, Kybs. I'm obviously not qualified to give people advice such as reading crap from the source. That sounds like a sensible idea to me, but it's obviously WRONG to those more qualified. 'cause, you know, we pull science out of our asses or something.

Pssst! The end all be all is econ, luff.

 

[teknight]

And just what are your qualifications? no offense, but if its his field he probably has a better idea what's going on than you do.

My qualifications: I can draw in between the lines most of the time.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

My qualifications: I can draw in between the lines most of the time.

lol

Aka I don't have any qualifications. I just think I know it all.

 

[teknight]

Yes, you need a PhD to tell people to read from the source on a topic they're confused about.
Lil girl, the more you post, the more you show just how much of a cretin you are.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Yes, you need a PhD to tell people to read from the source on a topic they're confused about.
Lil girl, the more you post, the more you show just how much of a cretin you are.

LOL

You're so easily manipulated. It's starting to get too easy.

I love the "Lil girl". lol Simple is as simple does.

 

[teknight]

LOL

You're so easily manipulated. It's starting to get too easy.

I love the "Lil girl". lol Simple is as simple does.

Gotta love it when a troll outs themselves.

ETA: You replied to me too, lil girl. So, you're easily manipulated as well, looks like.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Gotta love it when a troll outs themselves.

ETA: You replied to me too, lil girl. So, you're easily manipulated as well, looks like.

Lol *pats your head*

Whatever makes you feel better/smarter.

I know how much help you need in that area.

 

[where]

I can't make friends, Kybs. I'm obviously not qualified to give people advice such as reading crap from the source. That sounds like a sensible idea to me, but it's obviously WRONG to those more qualified. 'cause, you know, we pull science out of our asses or something.

Pssst! The end all be all is econ, luff.

eh, this area I have very little understanding of, beyond a bit of reading around the subject. I do have a weird thing with food and sex which someone recently found intriguing but I managed to use a socio-biological explanation for it. in other words, you put food in my mouth, you can put your cock in other orifices.

and economics schmeconomics! it's all down to sex.

 

[teknight]

eh, this area I have very little understanding of, beyond a bit of reading around the subject. I do have a weird thing with food and sex which someone recently found intriguing but I managed to use a socio-biological explanation for it. in other words, you put food in my mouth, you can put your cock in other orifices.

and economics schmeconomics! it's all down to sex.

I'd use an econ explanation- the food's the price one pays for using said orifices.

....and we do trade stuff for sex, yanno.

 

[where]

I'd use an econ explanation- the food's the price one pays for using said orifices.

....and we do trade stuff for sex, yanno.

are you calling me a whore?

 

[teknight]

are you calling me a whore?

You're using the word, I'm just pointing out facts.

 

[where]

You're using the word, I'm just pointing out facts.

 

[teknight]

At kybele's request

kybele and I have been having this conversation via PM, and she found it interesting enough to worth sharing.

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Kybele
sociology is the be all because the how we got where we are is kinda irrelevant, it's now about how we deal with it.
Teknight
What if studying how we got here might shed some light on the social human?
Kybele
for me it's like the social model of disability rather than the medical model. I'm not interested in the hows and whys someone is impaired, but in the way society reacts to the impairment. I have literally dozens and dozens of disabled friends and colleagues and only in one or two cases do I know how or what the impairment is, because it's largely irrelevant. The danger as I see it is if you 'excuse' a social action on the grounds of social evolution/biology then it makes it less possible to oppose that social action if it happens to be oppressive.
teknight
OK, I get what you're saying and it makes perfect sense- biology isn't and shouldn't be an excuse.
My take on things is this: if we understand the human animal, then we might be in a better position to combat some of the baser instincts, yanno?
Kybele
until someone says, 'but it's genetic! I can't help myself!'

and then if you take that path, what about 'curing' people on the autistic spectrum? or those people who are gay?

we should have this convo on a thread, really.
teknight
Name the thread, and I'll call you out on it.
Not to be an asshole, but there are those that don't wanna be gay- whatever the influences in their lives.
So, we shouldn't cure the deaf/blind?
Kybele
there are people who don't want to be gay, but I would suggest that is mostly because being so is significantly disadvantageous. Many deaf people don't actually consider themselves to be disabled to the point that they attempt to have children who are also deaf. and many blind people don't feel disadvantaged either. disability (as a social construction) is pretty split ideologically and there are a significant number of disabled people who suggest that any attempt to 'cure' disability is a form of genocide. It's not a view I hold btw, or at least not wholeheartedly.

 

[where]

you are blowing my superficial and shallow persona!

but I do think that as far as I can follow this epigenetics thing, then it might have an impact on sociology.

 

[teknight]

At the risk of getting science fictional here: we are currently expanding what it means to be human (mind you, we've been doing that for at least as long as we've had writing, since our memories didn't need to exist in our heads alone). This is but another step.

Here's the thing: the more we know, the more we'll be able to do and the more we will do (to our consciousnesses and bodies). What it means to be human will explode at some point because of our ability to manipulate ourselves...

At one point no one will be able to say "it's genetic"- if the cause is truly genetic- 'cause a ....
"solution" will be available (at some price). We can't just hide our heads in the sand, 'cause that just means we're gonna get run over.

...pardon the rambling...

 

[where]

At the risk of getting science fictional here: we are currently expanding what it means to be human (mind you, we've been doing that for at least as long as we've had writing, since our memories didn't need to exist in our heads alone). This is but another step.

Here's the thing: the more we know, the more we'll be able to do and the more we will do (to our consciousnesses and bodies). What it means to be human will explode at some point because of our ability to manipulate ourselves...

At one point no one will be able to say "it's genetic"- if the cause is truly genetic- 'cause a ....
"solution" will be available (at some price). We can't just hide our heads in the sand, 'cause that just means we're gonna get run over.

...pardon the rambling...

I don't buy the 'solution' thing. and I do sympathise with the view that many disabled people would feel under attack by these kind of new scientific advances.

 

[teknight]

I don't buy the 'solution' thing. and I do sympathise with the view that many disabled people would feel under attack by these kind of new scientific advances.

Granted...I put solution in quotes 'cause I don't like how it sounds much...but I couldn't find a better term for it.
Is it really an attack though? I guess the question is "What constitutes a disability"?

...also, how afraid of change is an individual going to be?

 

[where]

Granted...I put solution in quotes 'cause I don't like how it sounds much...but I couldn't find a better term for it.
Is it really an attack though? I guess the question is "What constitutes a disability"?

...also, how afraid of change is an individual going to be?

well I use the term disability in a sociological sense but I do know many people see things like pre-natal screening as personal attack.

 

[teknight]

well I use the term disability in a sociological sense but I do know many people see things like pre-natal screening as personal attack.

Is it a religious argument? And doesn't one have an obligation towards one's children, both present and future?

 

[where]

Is it a religious argument? And doesn't one have an obligation towards one's children, both present and future?

no, it's a human rights one.

hang on... tuition vote coming up!