Enron Yeah it is C&P but how often do i do that?

[Azwed]

Just something that I read and found interesting. This is only a portion of the article.


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Enron's bankruptcy, already the subject of criminal, civil and congressional investigations, threatens to pull the White House into a political quagmire even as Bush's approval ratings reach near-record levels because of the war against terrorism.

``It is now clear the White House had knowledge that Enron was likely to collapse but did nothing to try to protect innocent employees and shareholders who ultimately lost their life savings,'' said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

Firing back, Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer urged Democrats to avoid ``partisan witch hunts, endless investigations or fishing expeditions.'' Democrats hope to make a political issue out of the administration's many ties to Enron.

The bankruptcy has forced White House officials to face questions once posed to the scandal-tainted Clinton White House.

Would Bush support naming a special prosecutor to investigate? Fleischer said no. He also said he did not know any White House aides who had hired lawyers.

And there was a development reminiscent of Clinton's Whitewater: missing documents.

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Doesn't this sound exactly like what the Republican congress tried to do over and over to the Clinton administration???


This was taken from AOL news and is an AP story.

White House Reveals Enron Contacts

By RON FOURNIER
.c The Associated Press

 

[Spinaroonie]

There is a big difference.

Bush has had a year where he hasn't been investigated.

Clinton was under investigation every single day he was in office. He never got a break.

It was basically "Alright, Mr. Clinton, this is your new office and this man will be investigating you and watching you to see if you make even the tiniest mistake and he'll blow it out of proportion to the media and the nation. Have a nice day"

I saw it was a big case of sore loserness to the Repubs

 

[p_p_man]

At least the Democrats have woken up...

at last.

I can now think about retiring if they're back for good.

 

[Texan]

Azwed

You should read the whole story. CEO of Enron, Ken Lay called three different cabinet members within a few days prior to the day the company declared bankrupcy. The story of Enron's pending demise was already in the news. Ken Lay said he only asked if there was anything the government could do to help Enron's credit rating. The cabinet members told him there was nothing they could do. There was nothing anyone could have done at that time to protect the shareholders or the employees. The stock was already down to 82 cents.

Democrats would love for this to be a story, but 40% of the House of Representatives and 70 of the Senators received campaign contributions from Enron. I watched the story tonight as it was reported on NBC and on PBS. NBC tried as hard as they could to make a story out of it, but PBS admitted there wasn't anything to it.

BTW.... Henry Waxman is an asshole.... have you ever watched him during congressional hearings into the tobacco industry...? He's a real jerk.

 

[lavender]

 

[Texan]

Lavender

I have mixed feelings too. I hate what happened to those employees and stockholders (and in many cases they are the same people), but I also realize Enron still has 16,000 employees in Houston alone. I want them to survive and keep their jobs.

I don't like it when people try to make a political witchhunt out of this. Bush is from Texas. Enron is/was a major Texas corporation, of course there would be connections between some of these people.

To compare Bush and Clinton when it comes to morality and ethics is like comparing the Pope with Larry Flint.

 

[lavender]

Re: Lavender

 

[Azwed]

Re: Lavender

I have mixed feelings too. I hate what happened to those employees and stockholders (and in many cases they are the same people), but I also realize Enron still has 16,000 employees in Houston alone. I want them to survive and keep their jobs.

I don't like it when people try to make a political witchhunt out of this. Bush is from Texas. Enron is/was a major Texas corporation, of course there would be connections between some of these people.

To compare Bush and Clinton when it comes to morality and ethics is like comparing the Pope with Larry Flint.

I don't think it should become a witchunt either, but it probably will. Payback is a bitch you know. I don't like policial witchunts and I think they are stupid. My personal opinion is that they should try and lay off the administration then they would have a little bit of leverage on them in the future. I am sure there are some shady things that went on between Enron, Bush and his friends. They probably aren't that big a deal and would be no worse then the average shady dealings that go on between a politician and a large corporation.


I just find it funny that the Bush administartion is complaining about investigations. Turn about is still considered to be fair play by many people.

 

[WriterDom]

To compare Bush and Clinton when it comes to morality and ethics is like comparing the Pope with Larry Flint.

Goddamit, you've gone too far now, Tex. Stop picking on Larry Flint.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

To compare Bush and Clinton when it comes to morality and ethics is like comparing the Pope with Larry Flint.

Nice one, Texan!!

Runner

 

[p_p_man]

Didn't Bush...

lie over his drink driving charge and Clinton only lied over his blow job?

Clinton's lie is much more socially acceptable and he wasn't likely to kill anyone, unless he choked Monica to death.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Azwed:

I just find it funny that the Bush administartion is complaining about investigations. Turn about is still considered to be fair play by many people.

Where and when have they complained?
Seems to me this administration has been far more honest and open than ..........well what?

When was the last time you saw the MAJORITY of citizens stand up and cheer for any politican, much less the President?

Runner

 

[Texan]

Re: Didn't Bush...

lie over his drink driving charge and Clinton only lied over his blow job?

Clinton's lie is much more socially acceptable and he wasn't likely to kill anyone, unless he choked Monica to death.

ppman.... Bush was NEVER accused of lying about the DUI ticket he got many years ago. He did not shout it from the rooftops before it was discovered, but as soon as it was discovered, he admitted it and talked about it on TV. AND, he had previously admitted in public that earlier in life, he had been prone to drinking too much.

facts is facts.....

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Didn't Bush...

ppman.... Bush was NEVER accused of lying about the DUI ticket he got many years ago. He did not shout it from the rooftops before it was discovered, but as soon as it was discovered, he admitted it and talked about it on TV. AND, he had previously admitted in public that earlier in life, he had been prone to drinking too much.

facts is facts.....

Well he would wouldn't he?

But by not mentioning it volunarily in previous interviews before it became public knowledge, means he was being economical with the truth about his background.

Lying.

 

[fgarvb1]

If bush had known in time, What could he or anyone else do about it? What can be done in the sense of "business and/or legal" time? What steps can be taken and by who?

It's all very well to beat on a drum and bitch about things after they take place. Hell, Even congress is trying to fix things so somthing like this won't happen again.

who will guard the guardians?

 

[RhumbRunner13]

lie over his drink driving charge and Clinton only lied over his blow job?

You know, PP Man, you are starting to piss me off! I may be wrong, but I percieve you as one of those foppish, liberal English wienies who still believes that GB came to the Colonies rescue in '41. You seem to know squat about us! You seem to know squat about the connection between our two cultures! You seem to know squat, in other words!

Billary WAS impeached because he tried, and with the help of the Democrat party, suborned the Constitution. He used his position as President to deny and impede the right of a citizen of this country, one of the precepts that this country was founded to prevent!

Bend over, kiss the Queens ass good night, and next time you want to express your expertise of the US, Kiss My Ass.

Runner

 

[Texan]

Re: Re: Re: Didn't Bush...

Well he would wouldn't he?

But by not mentioning it volunarily in previous interviews before it became public knowledge, means he was being economical with the truth about his background.

Lying.

ppman... In 1977, I got a DWI. When I applied for my current job, 17 years ago, I did not volunteer that information and it was never asked. Wouldn't I have been stupid to bring it up???

It's not like he was convicted of armed robery or murder. Back in the years he was ticketed, it was considered a minor offense. He also said at the time the DUI was reported, that he didn't want his daughters to know. He was afraid they would use his past drinking as an excuse to drink themselves. (That particular statement turned out funny after the daughters were caught for trying to drink underage.)

It's funny, I was defending Bush on this board last summer when MANY more people were criticizing everything he did. I kept saying that after people had a chance to get to know him better they would appreciate him as a man and as a president. I understand that many people don't like his politics, but that's not a reason to use "half-truths" and outright lies to try to destroy him. I didn't like Jimmy Carter's politics. But I always knew he was an honest man who was trying his best.

Oh well..... ppman... the board wouldn't be as much fun without your threads....

 

[p_p_man]

lie over his drink driving charge and Clinton only lied over his blow job? You know, PP Man, you are starting to piss me off!

Welcome to the club!

And do try to be a bit more mature in your posts dear boy...

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Didn't Bush...

ppman... In 1977, I got a DWI. When I applied for my current job, 17 years ago, I did not volunteer that information and it was never asked. Wouldn't I have been stupid to bring it up???

Yes your point's taken. We all have things we don't disclose because it might affect our careers.

But we're not all standing for the President of the United States. He must have realised there would be a deep and probing investigation into his background by the media...



Hey we're almost debating without rancour!

This has gotta stop.

I've got my street cred to consider...

 

[Texan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Didn't Bush...

Hey we're almost debating without rancour!

This has gotta stop.

I've got my street cred to consider...

you closed minded arrogant British Bastard.....!!!!

(there...is that better.... I hope it helps your rep...)

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Didn't Bush...

you closed minded arrogant British Bastard.....!!!!

(there...is that better.... I hope it helps your rep...)

Thanks.

I needed that...

Whew...

 

[RhumbRunner13]

And do try to be a bit more mature in your posts dear boy...

You have tried the typical Liberal response to criticism, call that person a name, belittle them or flame them! You chose belittlement, by suggesting I'm less than mature. That's a very weak response, well, not for a limey. I'm neither "Dear" nor a "boy". I have traveled regularly to GB, and I treasure the ties of two countries separated by nothing but a little history and language! I have celebrated "Give Away a Colony Day" with my English "buds" in Houston, smelled their herrring, and eaten English food.

I don't think they were REALLY gay, they just acted that way because they were English.

Runner

 

[Poverkhnost]

Bush and scandal

There seems to be something missing in the arguments made against ppman. It is incredibly important that Clinton tried to impede the process of justice and Bush did not. Yet more important to point out is that Bush's mistake was made in the past, before his political career and he has reformed before taking political office. Clinton, on the other hand, USED his office to perpetuate his crime. Both are history, but one wasn't while the president was in office. That's the key difference.

 

[p_p_man]

And do try to be a bit more mature in your posts dear boy... You have tried the typical Liberal response to criticism

Liberal? Liberal?

I'm not a fucking Liberal...

Aaagghhh!!

 

[Guest]

Liberal? Liberal?

I'm not a fucking Liberal...

Aaagghhh!!

no, you are to the left of liberal