England: Imprisoned After Objecting to Muslim Rape Gangs

[oggbashan]

Deflecting again, BB.

 

[Busybody18]

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[Boxlicker101]

Because what he is accused of doing was against the law in England, including incitement to violence. But a jury didn't agree. He hasn't been found guilty, nor has he been proven innocent - yet.

This thread STILL starts with a lying title.

Proven innocent? Isn't it a matter of either prove him guilty or let him go?

 

[DeYaKen]

Proven innocent? Isn't it a matter of either prove him guilty or let him go?

In England, you can be found Guilty or not guilty. However, if the jury is unable to agree even a majority verdict, which must be at least 10 to 2, The judge can declare a mistrial and the case must be tried again.

In Scotland, they do have a verdict of Not Proven.

 

[Boxlicker101]

In England, you can be found Guilty or not guilty. However, if the jury is unable to agree even a majority verdict, which must be at least 10 to 2, The judge can declare a mistrial and the case must be tried again.

In Scotland, they do have a verdict of Not Proven.

I'm familiar with the concept of a mistrial in the case of a hung jury. The accused was acquitted on one count. Do you know the breakdown of guilty compared to not-guilty findings on the others? If most of the jurors vote "not guilty" would the judge dismiss the case with prejudice?

 

[oggbashan]

I'm familiar with the concept of a mistrial in the case of a hung jury. The accused was acquitted on one count. Do you know the breakdown of guilty compared to not-guilty findings on the others? If most of the jurors vote "not guilty" would the judge dismiss the case with prejudice?

An English jury should be unanimous. If they fail to agree a 10-2 verdict can be accepted by direction of the judge. If the split is less than that the jury is discharged and a retrial is possible.

This jury found the defendant not guilty on one charge, and couldn't agree on the others. It is up to the prosecution to decide whether a retrial is likely to get a result on the remaining charges.

It looks as if the jury couldn't agree whether the defendant was just a BB-type asshole or a genuine racist agitator. Being an asshole isn't a criminal offence in England.

 

[Boxlicker101]

An English jury should be unanimous. If they fail to agree a 10-2 verdict can be accepted by direction of the judge. If the split is less than that the jury is discharged and a retrial is possible.

This jury found the defendant not guilty on one charge, and couldn't agree on the others. It is up to the prosecution to decide whether a retrial is likely to get a result on the remaining charges.

It looks as if the jury couldn't agree whether the defendant was just a BB-type asshole or a genuine racist agitator. Being an asshole isn't a criminal offence in England.

Do you mean if the jury votes ten to two for guilty, the judge can accept that as a valid verdict of guilty? In the US, it always takes a unanimous verdict in a criminal trial. Of course, if the jury votes one-sidedly for not guilty, the charges will usually be dismissed.

 

[oggbashan]

Do you mean if the jury votes ten to two for guilty, the judge can accept that as a valid verdict of guilty? In the US, it always takes a unanimous verdict in a criminal trial. Of course, if the jury votes one-sidedly for not guilty, the charges will usually be dismissed.

If the jury, after a reasonable time, cannot reach a unanimous verdict on any one or more charges, the judge will direct that a majority verdict (11-1 or 10-2) will be accepted. That verdict is final whether guilty or not guilty.

Only if, after the judge's direction that a majority verdict is acceptable, and the jury cannot reach 10-2 for or against guilty, is a retrial considered.