End of the Universe...

[Zeb_Carter]

So I was watching this YouTube vid about the last stars that would survive for the next 10 trillion years, while all the other stars will burn out in a couple of billion years. Our sun will explode in a billion years or so.

So, a sci-fi story...

The Big Bang - Once Again.

The year is 10,999,999,999,999.015. The Universe has collapsed as all the stars have run themselves out of fuel. Man, having spread throughout the universe still lives in his spaceships and space stations throughout the universe, which is shrinking every day. Soon, all the natural matter will compress down until it is just a microscopic speck in space. Then another big bang will occur. At least that's the theory. Man is attempting to get as far away from the center of the universe as they can before the big bang happens. Is there still any space out there? Will man, in whatever form he is now in, be able to survive? How many big bangs have there been in our universe?

 

[sirhugs]

So I was watching this YouTube vid about the last stars that would survive for the next 10 trillion years, while all the other stars will burn out in a couple of billion years. Our sun will explode in a billion years or so.

So, a sci-fi story...

The Big Bang - Once Again.

The year is 10,999,999,999,999.015. The Universe has collapsed as all the stars have run themselves out of fuel. Man, having spread throughout the universe still lives in his spaceships and space stations throughout the universe, which is shrinking every day. Soon, all the natural matter will compress down until it is just a microscopic speck in space. Then another big bang will occur. At least that's the theory. Man is attempting to get as far away from the center of the universe as they can before the big bang happens. Is there still any space out there? Will man, in whatever form he is now in, be able to survive? How many big bangs have there been in our universe?

and where dos the sex fit in?

 

[Carnevil9]

and where dos the sex fit in?

Well Leonard and Penny had a lot of sex. Why do you think they call it the Big Bang theory?

Isaac Asimov explored this concept in a short story. I think it was called The Last Question. He didn't include any sex though.

 

[sirhugs]

Well Leonard and Penny had a lot of sex. Why do you think they call it the Big Bang theory?

Isaac Asimov explored this concept in a short story. I think it was called The Last Question. He didn't include any sex though.

oh, the puns hurt... so it'd be a humour story?

 

[davion2308]

Here we go

I think the idea is that people are paired up before they leave a ship from earth to get away from the sun because they know it's burning out.

Survey leads to pairings for the best advancement of genes. They need mixed genes so our hero, whatever his name is, is matched with:

Someone of a different race

Someone who's completely unlike him

A woman who turns out to really, really like freaky sex and takes over and controls him.

They're stuck in their place in the spaceship until she gets pregnant. Hijinks ensue.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

and where dos the sex fit in?

Wherever you want. But would humans still have sex in the year 10 Trillion? Would they even look like we do? Would their ships look like anything anyone could think of today? I got lots of questions who has the answers?

 

[LupusDei]

There's a lot of artistic license how the late universe could look like, but some of the most prevalent opinions are:

1) Heat death -- the most boring future, assuming spacetime expansion infinitely continues, it may slow, but never quite stops, nor does ever reverse -- due to basic thermodynamics (all forms of energy decay to heat, heat can't be recycled without loses) eventually there's no energy sources left. Long after the most longstanding stars it is once supermassive black holes that have consumed almost all matter then sloooolwly dissolve in Hawking's radiation to only at the very end go out in massive last flash (never yet seen, as universe is probably too young, and too full of matter for any black hole to starve to death, but that's what math suggests, allegedly). Eventually the almost, but never quite perfect vacuum freezes to temperature infinitely closing to absolute zero. Locally energized supercool gas crystals may still support some form of low energy computing for timeframes that borer on infinity.

2) Big Rip -- current measurements suggest that expansion of spacetime is actually accelerating, contrary to intuitive logic and for unknown reasons -- if that gravity defying process gets out of hand accelerating exponentially, then long before heat death becomes a problem expansion speed exceeds speed of light, each star is left perfectly alone in perfectly dark sky unable to contact anything else and soon after matter itself is torn apart with distances between subatomic particles exceeding current circumference of observable universe. May local bubbles of matter possibly survive for prolonged periods still, in extreme loneliness, who knows.

2b) Vacuum decay -- there's some evidence that what we see as vacuum may not be the lowest state of energy -- if that is so, and universe is heading for the Big Rip, then a catastrophic event may happen long before: it only takes for some small local bubble (like few billion light years across, but we don't know) of perfect nothingness to stretch beyond current energy level of vacuum for "phase transition" to take place, decaying to lower state of energy. The problem is, there's no reason for that process to stay local, in contrary, if that happens it will incite all there is to transition to that lower base energy level effectively ripping all matter apart in a catastrophic wave expanding at or above ligstspeed before settling down to a completely new set of laws of physics. It may be happening right now, we would never get a warning. What comes after is anyone's guess.

3) Big Crunch -- if gravity is so unbeatable as it seems and there's enough mass in universe to eventually reverse the residual expansion of the Big Bang... the time wouldn't suddenly start going backwards, and while universe may never cool quite to heat death due to subtraction of spacetime, the most logical outcome is that eventually all matter is eaten by ever expanding black holes that then swallow each other. The last one then maybe finally reach the true singularity and goes Boom in new Big Bang, or something such. This is the scenario proposed in OP but still there's no such thing as "center of universe" as there's never was, just like there no edge of the word. It's believed that if one could travel on straight line at infinite speed they would eventually return from opposite side regardless of direction. Is hyper-spherical a word? Felt appropriate and descriptive in my mind, even if not accurate, probably.

There's a couple ways universe may not ever end, the energy conservation laws may not be perfect and infinite inflation may be the case, where new matter emerge in sufficiently thinned out regions in form of local mini big bangs or silent introductions virtual particles just like in Hawking's radiation, there might be bubbles of universes within universes, branching, preserving the same local laws of physics, or not.

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Would humans be there at the ultimate end times? Most probably not. Immortality is the worst curse imaginable, but we will forever chase it. If, and that's very big if, we can ever get off this rock and indeed go floating between the stars there's nothing to stop some form of distant ancestry to be around. Rather machines than biology, or perhaps, something in between. Echoes of recognizable form may survive, if not for other reasons than species-centric perception of beauty. Otherwise, form follows function, the most universal law of engineering beauty. Transhumanism is an art of it's own right. Beings that collect residual radiation between evaporating black holes will likely want vast surface and minimal mass; so, sails, fins, fine frames or rather energy fields. So called "matryoshka brains" engulfing stars or, indeed, black holes -- collecting Hawking's radiation one may in theory get perfect E=mc^2 output carefully feeding a tiny black hole about to collapse (decreasing mass increases output).

The "long now" where nothing much change forever is unlikely and unstable but not impossible. The technocrat's answer to "is there God?" is, "not yet." We may be able to manage our technology so while basically becoming magic remains in the background, including artificial gods (just because we can),
while we humans, the animals themselves, remain mostly unchanging, but at those timeframes the habitats are probably exclusively artificial, interior of massive O'Neill's cylinders may be closest to conventional "outdoor space" in deep space. Some, probably many if not most, never realizing they live aboard a craft. After all, what else is our own planet than a massive spacecraft? Sure it not happen to have efficient engines, currently, and so what? Short living and ignorant humans may not be too concerned by universe ending, somewhere there, outside. Happens for trillions of years while there may not be effect ways to manage priorities over more than ten generations, or even five.

Transhuman beings, nearly immortal and nearly omniscient, now there's someone that may comprehend and care about events so vast and slow, and equipped to react, somehow. But sex between gods may not be anything alike anything we can imagine.

 

[sirhugs]

Wherever you want. But would humans still have sex in the year 10 Trillion? Yes but it would be illegal, so the outlaw sex is even hotter


Would they even look like we do?I think technically they need to be close, or they are another more evolved new species. But I'm no scientist.

Would their ships look like anything anyone could think of today? No


I got lots of questions who has the answers? Keep them coming

See above

 

[Carnevil9]

But would humans still have sex in the year 10 Trillion? Yes but it would be illegal, so the outlaw sex is even hotter

That is an interesting concept. Some sort of future society where sex is completely outlawed, and mostly forgotten. (One would assume that reproduction is conducted in vitro by the government, on the theory that parenthood is too complicated and too important to be left up to individuals.) One man (or one woman) somehow manages to rediscover the joys of sex and starts a cult to spread the word (and the legs). They try to keep it on the down-low, but word still leaks out. They are always on the run between fucks. You could title it "1969."

 

[sirhugs]

That is an interesting concept. Some sort of future society where sex is completely outlawed, and mostly forgotten. (One would assume that reproduction is conducted in vitro by the government, on the theory that parenthood is too complicated and too important to be left up to individuals.) One man (or one woman) somehow manages to rediscover the joys of sex and starts a cult to spread the word (and the legs). They try to keep it on the down-low, but word still leaks out. They are always on the run between fucks. You could title it "1969."

at which point it merges into the pregnancy sex thread?

but wasn't 1967 the Summer of Love?

 

[Carnevil9]

.....but wasn't 1967 the Summer of Love?

Yeah, but I was going for a play on Orwell's "1984" but including a sexual term, 69. I wasn't sure it would work.

 

[sirhugs]

Yeah, but I was going for a play on Orwell's "1984" but including a sexual term, 69. I wasn't sure it would work.

no one expects subtlety from Carney...

 

[LupusDei]

Yeah, but I was going for a play on Orwell's "1984" but including a sexual term, 69. I wasn't sure it would work.

Could be 19-69 as in referring age in standard years, and/or probably including other number play like station #196 habitat block 9, or even fraction 196 as sixteen dozen, provoking deep dive in numerology, well excused by digital AI gods ruling the show.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

That is an interesting concept. Some sort of future society where sex is completely outlawed, and mostly forgotten. (One would assume that reproduction is conducted in vitro by the government, on the theory that parenthood is too complicated and too important to be left up to individuals.) One man (or one woman) somehow manages to rediscover the joys of sex and starts a cult to spread the word (and the legs). They try to keep it on the down-low, but word still leaks out. They are always on the run between fucks. You could title it "1969."

So a rehash of George Orwell's 1984 set in the year 10 trillion?

Ah, I see Sirhugs already called you on this. Orwell.

Another question: In the year 10 trillion would humans, in whatever form they have taken, be immortal?

 

[Carnevil9]

......Another question: In the year 10 trillion would humans, in whatever form they have taken, be immortal?

Maybe. But that leads to yet another question: If humans come to be immortal, would they still have sex?

On the one hand, I could see them tiring of it after several thousand years, having done everything possible so many times. They might come to consider it a youthful activity that nobody over a million years old would ever bother with. Also, being immortal, there is no need to create new generations to replace them.

On the other hand, being immortal, EVERYTHING might be boring to them; a sense of universal ennui having set in. Maybe sex becomes the ONLY thing that still brings pleasure, and everyone becomes a complete sex maniac.

In either case, I can't help but think of Vance's "Dying Earth" series where everyone is fatalistic and decadent, with or without sex.

 

[sirhugs]

....
Another question: In the year 10 trillion would humans, in whatever form they have taken, be immortal?

not immortal - accidents still kill them, but they no longer die of disease or old age (I stole this from a novel I read , but can't recall which) .

With immortality, procreation is strictly controlled. so returning to my earlier theme, sex is taboo, so all the more exciting.

 

[jaF0]

Humans will not survive to the year 2525.

 

[sirhugs]

Humans will not survive to the year 2525.

In the Year 2525 if man is still alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

 

[LupusDei]

Humans will not survive to the year 2525.

It's just a personal opinion, of course, but it's got to be exceedingly hard to eradicate species so adaptive as humans on such short notice, spare from full out nuclear or large scale asteroid impact or some such catastrophic, and even then "vault" populations could soldier through up right around then.

The whole another question is if civilization as we know it would survive, and that answer has to be not likely, and more important is can the next crash be recoverable to present or beyond levels, without the easy oil and some key metals rendered extremely rare. Decadent distinct class society with "magic" around would be what I would expect around that date.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Humans will not survive to the year 2525.

Yeah, that's what they said when the Mayan calendar stopped in 2012. Still here!

 

[sirhugs]

Yeah, that's what they said when the Mayan calendar stopped in 2012. Still here!

But where are the Mayans?

 

[Carnevil9]

not immortal - accidents still kill them, but they no longer die of disease or old age (I stole this from a novel I read , but can't recall which) ......

You might have read that in Lord of the Rings. The elves were said to be immortal but not invulnerable: they didn't die of old age or disease, but they could be killed in battle or die of a broken heart.

 

[sirhugs]

You might have read that in Lord of the Rings. The elves were said to be immortal but not invulnerable: they didn't die of old age or disease, but they could be killed in battle or die of a broken heart.

It was more recent than that. I can recall the story, but not the title. And I'm never good with character names. It took me about 4 seasons to remember which Winchester was Sam, which was Dean. But that writer might have read LOTR - which I havent read in at least 15 years, likely longer.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

But where are the Mayans?

Well, theory has it that they moved on from this plane of existence.

 

[sirhugs]

Well, theory has it that hey moved on from this plane of existence.

maybe they joined up with the tentacle monsters?