Elon Musk removed as the head of DOGE

[ll74]

I hope you're right about taking the legislature back but I fear things are a lot more serious than realised.

Elections will continue. The backlash will be enough to kick some maga kids out in some cases, while swing districts will go blue.

I'm not saying things aren't great....things are bypassing the order of things and many cannot be reversed. (Blanket political firings for example) but I do believe the majority of people don't appreciate the manner of the wrecking ball occurring.......and that adds political capital

 

[Biglibido99]

From that Wiki entry - it sounds very much like what is in progress at the moment, in the US

Under his Moldbug pseudonym, Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."

 

[LLCox]

I am surprised trump doesn't make his whole Cabinet just advisors to the President.

 

[ll74]

MAGA:"$2000 covid checks caused inflation"

Also MAGA: " everyone gets $5000 checks from 47!!"

 

[butters]

I am surprised trump doesn't make his whole Cabinet just advisors to the king.

fypyw

 

[Biglibido99]

MAGA:"$2000 covid checks caused inflation"

Also MAGA: " everyone gets $5000 checks from 47!!"

It's just a concept of a plan - it won't happen & everyone knows it won't happen - he'll stiff them & pocket the money himself like always - that's what he's in the post for, grifting.

Others, like Musk & Vance & Putin know that - they have more nefarious goals.

 

[Politruk]

Now they say the head of DOGE is a civil servant named Amy Gleason.

The acting administrator of the Department of Government Efficiency is a low-profile executive who has expertise in health care technology and worked in the first Trump administration.

The White House on Tuesday afternoon identified Amy Gleason as the acting leader of DOGE, which has been pushing agencies to fire employees, cancel contracts and make other budget cuts.

Although DOGE’s cuts have been championed by billionaire Elon Musk and his associates, the White House has insisted that Musk is overseeing the effort as a senior adviser to President Donald Trump, not a DOGE employee.

 

[butters]

A federal judge has ordered Trump administration officials involved in Elon Musk’s “opaque” Department of Government Efficiency to testify under oath in one of the sprawling lawsuits seeking to block DOGE’s access to sensitive government databases.

U.S. District Judge John Bates agreed Thursday that “very limited” efforts to question officials connected to DOGE would help clarify what exactly the group is doing and whether it poses the risks to sensitive data that government employees fear. Bates’ order will allow unions and liberal groups suing to question four officials: one from DOGE’s White House headquarters and one each from the Labor Department, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

shame the scope is so limited, and involving only 1 member of doge but the answers from all 4 should be interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/j...1&cvid=e9ce5f0cf1f541e296b992db54279d70&ei=52

 

[Boat1]

I can't wait until trump cancels social security. It's coming.

Every administration we've had since 1913 has been "canceling" social security, via destruction of the buying power of the USD.

 

[Politruk]

From that Wiki entry - it sounds very much like what is in progress at the moment, in the US

Under his Moldbug pseudonym, Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."

They're neoreactionaries:

The neoreactionary movement (a.k.a. neoreaction, NRx, the Dark Enlightenment) is a loosely-defined cluster of Internet-based political thinkers who wish to return society to forms of government older than liberal democracy. They generally present their views as a revival of the traditions of Western civilization. Unlike ordinary reactionaries who nostalgically view the past as the good old days, neoreactionaries are futurists who are more critical of the past; for example, by rejecting the ideals of the Enlightenment while supporting a type of neo-feudalistic view of what society should be (libertarianism ruled by authoritarianism).[3]:188 Along with rejecting the Enlightenment's ideals, the movement is antihumanist and nihilistic.[3]:188

Many in the current wave of neoreactionaries are former libertarians who had concluded that freedom and the free market were fundamentally incompatible with liberal democracy. Curtis Guy Yarvin (1973–) (more commonly known by his pen name Mencius Moldbug), generally considered the founder of the current movement, describes his own journey as "from Mises to Carlyle" via Hans-Hermann Hoppe, an anarcho-capitalist who pushed feudalism as his desired end-state.[4] It is an ideal belief system for soi-disant libertarians who realize that, regardless of the principles of freedom being the ostensible foundation of their ideology, they are unwilling to tolerate others' enjoyment of freedom.[5]

Neoreactionaries are the latest in a long line of intellectuals who somehow think their chosen authoritarian thugs wouldn't put them up against the wall. Possibly they hope to use the sheer volume of words as a bulletproof shield[6] or consider themselves too competent, virtuous, and useful to end up one of the serfs.

It would all seem to be bullshit, though, because of what Joshua Tait calls "important tensions" within the ideology (specifically in Moldbug's writings), which could just as easily be ascribed to intellectual dishonesty from pushing unresolvably discordant ideas: futuristic libertarianism with monarchy/feudalism, and social liberalism on many issues but nonetheless antiprogressive.[3]:189

The movement was once largely insignificant and mostly an object of curiosity. It has attracted some of the pseudo-intellectual pseudostatistics quoting variety of racists. It has helped serve as an ideological foundation for parts of the alt-right, although members of that group typically shun the practice of reading.

More recently, Yarvin has been credited with informing the worldview of US Vice President J. D. Vance.[7] Vance was a close associate of Peter Thiel, having worked for Peter Thiel’s Mithril Capital Management as a "vulture capitalist" early in his career.[8] Thiel has also funded Moldbug at one point,[9] and remains closely associated with Thiel as the "house political philosopher".[10]

 

[Politruk]

Every administration we've had since 1913 has been "canceling" social security, via destruction of the buying power of the USD.

Social Security did not exist in 1913.

But that is when the Federal Reserve was founded . . .

You're not one of those cranks, are you?!

 

[Boat1]

Social Security did not exist in 1913.

But that is when the Federal Reserve was founded . . .

You're not one of those cranks, are you?!

I'm fully aware of that, hence the air-quotes...
Then again, the Federal Income Tax (which started as a 1% tax) didn't exist before then either, so tell me, oh great historian...
How did the USA survive all those years prior to the hostile takeover of the fukkin monetary system?
Maybe people then, took better care of their hard-earned $$ than Govt was/is able to...
PS... what kind of crank are you?... as the IRS is more than happy to accept overpayment. If you're truly serious about your desired social utopia and not just a troll, why don't you give them everything you have, lead by example like real men do?

 

[Politruk]

the hostile takeover of the fukkin monetary system?

You are either an idiot or something much worse.

 

[Boat1]

You are either an idiot or something much worse.

Be careful, as your IQ (or lack thereof) is starting to show...
It's a common theme of yours that I actually pointed out earlier... name calling due to having no intelligent response to a fact....
Your common M.O.

 

[Politruk]

Be careful, as your IQ (or lack thereof) is starting to show...
It's a common theme of yours that I actually pointed out earlier... name calling due to having no intelligent response to a fact....
Your common M.O.

Only an idiot or a raging conspiracy theorist would speak of the Federal Reserve system as a "hostile takeover of the monetary system." Its institution smoothed out the periodic financial panics that had afflicted the U.S. since independence. Andrew Jackson deserves condemnation as one of the worst presidents in American history for destroying the Second Bank of the United States, and he stands in an ignominious tradition of American producerist crankery.

 

[Boat1]

Only an idiot or a raging conspiracy theorist would speak of the Federal Reserve system as a "hostile takeover of the monetary system." Its institution smoothed out the periodic financial panics that had afflicted the U.S. since independence. Andrew Jackson deserves condemnation as one of the worst presidents in American history for destroying the Second Bank of the United States, and he stands in an ignominious tradition of American producerist crankery.

LMMFAO!
Yeah, the Great Depression was smooth AF... and you want to call me the idiot.

 

[Politruk]

LMMFAO!
Yeah, the Great Depression was smooth AF... and you want to call me the idiot.

It wasn't a financial crisis like the several "panics" of the 19th Century. That's why the Federal Reserve was created:

From 1836, when the Second Bank of the United States lost its congressional charter, to 1913, when the Federal Reserve Act passed, the U.S. was without a central bank.[1] Major financial panics (and their accompanying recessions) occurred in 1873,[2] 1884, 1893, 1901, 1903, and the Panic of 1907https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png led to a demand that Congress take action. The Aldrich Commission was dispatched to make a study and, shortly after its final report was made, Congress changed hands from the big-government Republicans[3] (those were the days) to the more grassroots-oriented and anti-federalist Democrats. Instead of one central bank located in New York as the Commission recommended, twelve regional banks were created throughout the country, with a Board of Governors, which is the bank's present form.[4]

What does it do?[edit]​

The purpose of the Federal Reserve has evolved since its creation. When created, the Fed was a decentralized central bank and its primary tool for conducting monetary policy was the Discount Rate. Since WW2, it has gained more independence, become more centralized, and has developed a much clearer mission.[5] In the 21st century, its primary objectives are protecting the economy from inflation, ensuring financial stability, and keeping unemployment low. The Federal Reserve is responsible for controlling the amount of cash money in the United States and sets monetary policy while acting as a "banker's bank". In reality, a good deal of money creation occurs outside the Federal Reserve, and it can only indirectly influence the money creation process. While the Federal Reserve is often accused of "printing money", it can only create digital bank reserves. The Federal Reserve cannot actually create any physical currency. That process is undertaken by the Bureau of Engraving and the Bureau of the Mint.[6] The Fed's only major involvement is getting the physical currency into circulation. Additionally, the Federal Reserve System supervises and regulates some banks, offers banking services, and engages in economic research.

The Federal Reserve has 12 branch banks (Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Richmond, Atlanta, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Dallas, and San Francisco). They help move currency into circulation, conduct economic research, enforce regulations, hold deposits, and loan money to banks within their respective regions. This money is then lent at an interest rate to banks who then lend it to people and businesses.

 

[Boat1]

It wasn't a monetary crisis like the several "panics" of the 19th Century.

...or like the fear mongering of "tanks in the street" like the 08 crash.... oh wait, that came from two POTUS' and the Sec. Of Treasury....

 

[Politruk]

...or like the fear mongering of "tanks in the street" like the 08 crash.... oh wait, that came from two POTUS' and the Sec. Of Treasury....

Which of them spoke of "tanks in the street"?