Economic value and those poor ladies you see in the refugee camps in Darfur

[Le Jacquelope]

Thank you, WRJames, for bringing that up.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23742316&postcount=66

What I said was that these people had nothing of ECONOMIC value to offer -- and I'm really talking about, for example, those poor ladies you see in the refugee camps in Darfur -- no education to speak of. The need for unskilled labor is shrinking with increased mechanisation and automation. So you have a vast surplus of labor. Why does that statement offend you?

What should we do with these "surplus" people? Er, I mean, surplus labor?

 

[cloudy]

Thank you, WRJames, for bringing that up.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23742316&postcount=66

What should we do with these "surplus" people? Er, I mean, surplus labor?

Yeah, I wondered that, as well. I mean, they have no economic value, might as well just kill 'em.

 

[WRJames]

Yeah, I wondered that, as well. I mean, they have no economic value, might as well just kill 'em.

That's been the traditional American way of dealing with the problem -- we killed off our Native Americans, while the Spanish put theirs to work.

India has 600 million people living on less than fifty cents a day -- worldwide there are 3 billion people living on less than two dollars a day.

Any suggestions?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

That's been the traditional American way of dealing with the problem -- we killed off our Native Americans, while the Spanish put theirs to work.

India has 600 million people living on less than fifty cents a day -- worldwide there are 3 billion people living on less than two dollars a day.

Any suggestions?

But you're talking to people who totally reject that "traditional American way".

 

[cloudy]

That's been the traditional American way of dealing with the problem -- we killed off our Native Americans, while the Spanish put theirs to work.

no shit?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Pick these people up and put them someplace like Hong Kong and, voila, they have economic value. They can make a living, and even begin to claw their way up the economic ladder.

Now, consider the question again: The people - all people - intrinsically have economic value. What is it about the place that makes them unable to realize it?

Hint: It's not natural resources. Hong Kong has none. Sure they have a nice harbor, but Sudan's not landlocked - they could ship lots of stuff in and out too. Suez Canal's not far either . . .

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Pick these people up and put them someplace like Hong Kong and, voila, they have economic value. They can make a living, and even begin to claw their way up the economic ladder.

Now, consider the question again: The people - all people - intrinsically have economic value. What is it about the place that makes them unable to realize it?

Hint: It's not natural resources. Hong Kong has none. Sure they have a nice harbor, but Sudan's not landlocked - they could ship lots of stuff in and out too. Suez Canal's not far either . . .

But capitalism naturally discards people who fail to reach a certain level of economic value.

What could a flood of English & Chinese illiterate people do in Hong Kong?

 

[oggbashan]

That's been the traditional American way of dealing with the problem -- we killed off our Native Americans, while the Spanish put theirs to work...

What happened to the Caribs under Spanish rule? Or many other tribes in Central and S America?

I don't think the Spanish have a record to be proud of, nor do we Brits. We stopped doing it much sooner than the Belgian Monarchy in the Congo.

In parts of the world, genocide is still practised e.g. yesterday's truck bombings in Northern Iraq.

Og

 

[rgraham666]

But capitalism naturally discards people who fail to reach a certain level of economic value.

What could a flood of English & Chinese illiterate people do in Hong Kong?

The usual. Hooking, mugging, drugs, nasty dirty jobs no one else is willing too do.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

But capitalism naturally discards people who fail to reach a certain level of economic value.

What could a flood of English & Chinese illiterate people do in Hong Kong?

Piecework.

Nice way to dodge the real question though. I'll repeat it, although everyone's having so much fun with shallow America-bashing it's probably beside the point:

Pick these people up and put them someplace like Hong Kong and, voila, they have economic value. They can make a living, and even begin to claw their way up the economic ladder. All people have intrinsic economic value. What is it about the place that makes them unable to realize it?

It's really an important question if you want to solve the underlying problems of places like Darfur, and Africa generally, and I'm not trying to be contentious is posing it. Is it culture, history, ideas, something else? What are the elements that create different futures depending on if you live in Syria, Sudan, Singapore, Viet Nam, Argentina or Chile? Hong Kong demonstrates that the ultimate resource is human capital - why is maximized in some places and wasted in others?

 

[WRJames]

But you're talking to people who totally reject that "traditional American way".

Bullshit. As I recall, you are the one who wants to build a wall around the US and keep us as a bubble of prosperity while the rest of the world rots.

 

[rgraham666]

This is why I regard North America as a doomed society. Too many of us simply can't speak to one another any more without snarling.