Ebola now confirmed in NYC

[Pookie]

Isn't coming into unwanted contact with the bodily fluids of strangers part of the bargain you make for living in NYC?

*gigglesnort*

 

[Busybody]

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[TwinkleStars]

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[LadyFunkenstein]

Mandatory 21 day quarantine in NY and NJ for high risk entries into the city via air travel. It is about time.

 

[Ishmael]

Mandatory 21 day quarantine in NY and NJ for high risk entries into the city via air travel. It is about time.

No shit!!!!!!! Nice to see some common sense being used. I also appreciated the joint appearance of Cuomo and Christie. A sign that Ebola is NOT some political wedge issue. The virus just doesn't give a shit what your party affiliation is.

Ishmael

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

No shit!!!!!!! Nice to see some common sense being used. I also appreciated the joint appearance of Cuomo and Christie. A sign that Ebola is NOT some political wedge issue. The virus just doesn't give a shit what your party affiliation is.

Ishmael

I agree, and I think that is exactly why they held the news conference together. I can't wrap my head around the "it's not a big deal" crowd. We are tightly packed together here, people spread the flu quite easily... and that fucking guy is on the subway, out bowling in Brooklyn come on!

 

[RobDownSouth]

AJ, shut the fuck up already. Or at least learn to multi quote so I don't have to see the wall of iggy.

You don't get to 200K+ posts by usin' the multi-quote.

 

[Ishmael]

I agree, and I think that is exactly why they held the news conference together. I can't wrap my head around the "it's not a big deal" crowd. We are tightly packed together here, people spread the flu quite easily... and that fucking guy is on the subway, out bowling in Brooklyn come on!

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that he is the only case to crop up. I can hope that the other states that are ports of entry from the infected nations exercise the same common sense.

the only risk I see with the approach NY/NJ have taken is with regards to the graduated assessment as to who goes into quarantine. My concern is that there are some that will flat out lie on the forms so as to avoid the 21 day quarantine. I would prefer to see a universal quarantine for ALL travelers from those nations, no exceptions, no excuse.

Ishmael

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that he is the only case to crop up. I can hope that the other states that are ports of entry from the infected nations exercise the same common sense.

the only risk I see with the approach NY/NJ have taken is with regards to the graduated assessment as to who goes into quarantine. My concern is that there are some that will flat out lie on the forms so as to avoid the 21 day quarantine. I would prefer to see a universal quarantine for ALL travelers from those nations, no exceptions, no excuse.

Ishmael

I agree. Check the passport, if you were in a high risk country, you go into quarantine. Period.

 

[sigh]

Fair and open-minded sigh knows who to blame it on:

"The hysterical response to Ebola is a political event, fueled by conservatives (and fanned by the MSM) who, oddly enough, are calling for more government interference and restrictions of freedoms in order to meet this "crisis". Clearly, conservative ideals take a back seat when Republican votes are on the line. We don't need the government to protect us, Ish. Our medical system has proven itself up to the task with an astonishing 80% recovery rate to date (admittedly small sample size), and with virtually no runaway spread (as predicted by the pundits of the blog world) despite those scary freedoms that our people enjoy."

I love it. We don't need the government to protect us. We want to restrict freedom. Who's freedom? People from another country. The issue is bigger than ebola though. It's also ev-d68. It's also three new strains of mosquito that have managed to get imported into the US and do carry some of the nastiest things possible, many being carried in from South and Central America where they know we have an open border policy because we are about freedom, inclusiveness, multiculturalism and unlimited cheap labor and votes for the handout state, along with a new host of hands out.

It's about a medical system that was overwhelmed by just a few ebola cases, a medical system that was slow to even recognize the spread of ev-d68 and a medical system that is clearly going to be overwhelmed if we have some sort of pandemic because they do not have the supplies and resources on hand to respond to it, especially at a time when their payouts for services, procedures, and supplies are being sharply reduced along with staffing hours and wages.

Yes, I know who to blame the hysteria on. Who else is spouting off about it endlessly? And the fact that the election is just around the corner is the reason why. And the freedoms being restricted aren't just foreigners as you pretend. There was outcry that people were actually allowed to, you know, move around. Why did that nurse go on vacation? Who let her travel? Why doesn't he government protect us???

And the medical system was only overwhelmed in the eyes of you and your buddies in the media, who went along for the ride because fear is great for ratings boosts.

80% survival rate. One person dead. One. Oh my God, why doesn't the president save us???

Ebola is likely here to stay, or if it isn't this time, it'll be back around again. As much as you whine about Obama, and his lack of action, at least he didn't wait years while tens of thousands were infected and over 20000 had died before saying a single word about it. Talk about mixed messages You want an "epidemic"? AIDS, even today, is more deadly than Ebola, both here and in Africa. But then of course you're on record as saying that AIDS isn't real, aren't you? Have you ever recanted that? But no, you can't. After all, Saint Ronnie would look bad if you did.

I wish you'd just keep me on ignore. Your hateful drivel is slightly easier to stomach when it's directed towards somebody else.

 

[sigh]

I agree, and I think that is exactly why they held the news conference together. I can't wrap my head around the "it's not a big deal" crowd. We are tightly packed together here, people spread the flu quite easily... and that fucking guy is on the subway, out bowling in Brooklyn come on!

It IS a big deal. I absolutely do have concerns. It's just not the run-for-the-hills-screaming sort of big deal that it's being made out to be.

 

[Ishmael]

It IS a big deal. I absolutely do have concerns. It's just not the run-for-the-hills-screaming sort of big deal that it's being made out to be.

True enough, but you have to know that there are going to be some run-for-the-hills type in the crowd.

The problem with Ebola is not so much the virulence of its transmission rate but the extraordinarily high mortality rate. (Although it appears that stateside treatment has significantly reduced that. But at an extraordinarily high financial cost.)

Ishmael

 

[Saint Peter]

The cat is out of the bag.

We are all fucked.


Might as well put the gun in the mouth.

 

[sigh]

No. We're not looking for a microeconomic handout for this group, that group, some of your green buddies, some of your union buddies, some of your corporate buddies, maybe big Ag and ethanol, I could go on, but that is not what we are asking our Federal Republic government to do.

We're asking them to do their actual Constitutional job of defending the country from enemies external, and an epidemic falls into that purview.

Several people here seem to think that they are quite clever because they've found "hypocrisy" when all they've actually founder is their low-information bona-fides.

Then Reagan failed in his constitutional duty as well. AIDS came from Africa too, you know.

Oh, but wait...that's different.

 

[Sean]

I agree. Check the passport, if you were in a high risk country, you go into quarantine. Period.

You know most places don't stamp passports anymore? I've been to maybe thirty countries since I got this passport, it doesn't have one stamp in it.

 

[Disgustipated]

Then Reagan failed in his constitutional duty as well. AIDS came from Africa too, you know.

Oh, but wait...that's different.

Will you please quit quoting the moron?

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Then Reagan failed in his constitutional duty as well. AIDS came from Africa too, you know.

Oh, but wait...that's different.

If I remember correctly, when aids first appeared in the States, it was because of patient zero, a French-Canadian gay steward who was a big fan of San Francisco's bath houses.

 

[sigh]

True enough, but you have to know that there are going to be some run-for-the-hills type in the crowd.

The problem with Ebola is not so much the virulence of its transmission rate but the extraordinarily high mortality rate. (Although it appears that stateside treatment has significantly reduced that. But at an extraordinarily high financial cost.)

Ishmael

Yeah, it's expensive, but the extraordinarily high costs are similar to those in treating other difficult viral infections (such as HIV and hepatitis C) and serious diseases like cancer and heart disease. Ish, I routinely recommend and dispense individual doses that cost tens of thousands a pop. The new wave of biologics, used for everything from rheumatoid arthritis to Crohn's disease and cancer, are astonishingly expensive. IVIG, a human blood product, costs in the neighborhood of 20-40 grand a dose, and we have patients who come back for it every six to eight weeks for life. Two hundred dollars a tablet, two a day for 10 days is what it costs to treat recurrent c-diff diarrhea, and that's caused by an organism that's present in all of our GI tracts. Sure Ebola is expensive. What isn't?

Ebola is highly virulent in that it takes a very low virus count to lead to illness, but not so highly communicable. If it mutates to become truly airborne, life will be a lot scarier.

 

[Ishmael]

There is also the hidden cost of the threat of Ebola.

Local businesses devastated.

There are some that would call the reaction of customers, or potential customers, irrational, it is a to be expected human reaction. It's easy to see that if there is just one more case that pops up in NYC as a result of contact with the current patient outside the hospital environment that panic could quickly spiral out of control. There are just too many people squeezed into close contact there.

Ishmael

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Just read this today:

The governors issued a mandatory quarantine for travelers who have had contact with Ebola-infected patients in West Africa. Any person traveling from the three West African nations who had contact with infected, or possibly infected, people will be automatically quarantined for 21 days. This includes doctors. It will be coordinated with local health departments. The Governor tweeted on Friday: 'Today, a healthcare worker arrived at Newark Airport, w/ a recent history of treating patients w/ Ebola in West Africa, but w/ no symptoms.' He said that the New Jersey Department of Health determined that a legal quarantine order should be issued.

That's a good protocol that should have been implemented the moment the hot zone became active. Don't know how much that helps us now since that infected doctor travelled all the way across New York City to go fucking bowling. Especially since the CDC defines direct contact as being up to three feet away from an infected individual. How many people do you think were three feet away from that infected doctor during his little subway commute? One hundred? One thousand?

 

[Wrong Element]

If I remember correctly, when aids first appeared in the States, it was because of patient zero, a French-Canadian gay steward who was a big fan of San Francisco's bath houses.

A lot of the early cases of AIDS had some sort of "six degrees of separation"-like connection to the flight attendant, but no one knows exactly when HIV first appeared in the U.S.

 

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[sigh]

If I remember correctly, when aids first appeared in the States, it was because of patient zero, a French-Canadian gay steward who was a big fan of San Francisco's bath houses.

AIDS originated among primates in Africa and was probably first transmitted to a human more than a hundred years ago. If the steward was patient zero in the US, then AIDS came to America the same way Ebola did: riding on an airplane.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It IS a big deal. I absolutely do have concerns. It's just not the run-for-the-hills-screaming sort of big deal that it's being made out to be.

I haven't really hard meant hysterics bit I intentionally limit my viewing TV news. They
Intentionally wind people up to sell advertising. People who run the networks don't give a flying fuck about who wins elections because they get what they want regardless of who is in office. Ebola scares people, so they get hysterical to get ratings, this is not a plot against Obama.

 

[Disgustipated]

Obama needed a lesson in how to govern.

You're such a partisan stooge. Even Ishmael is smart enough not to politicize this