Eastleigh

[Scotsman69]

Spells the end of the Tories. And the end of the UK. It makes it more certain that Scotland will vote for independence in 2014. Thoughts from the UK?

 

[torchthebitch]

Glasgow University students disagree.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Spells the end of the Tories. And the end of the UK. It makes it more certain that Scotland will vote for independence in 2014. Thoughts from the UK?

They may vote but no one will know what the hell they are saying.

 

[kotori]

Wasn't quite Hamilton '67 though.

 

[Lord_Nibiru]

It is a corrupt system run by parties without an inch of difference when it comes to the big issues (UKIP/Greens/BNP no different - just that, like the Lib Dems, of years past, they're too small to have to actually govern but as soon as the LDs did......they followed the same old same old).

So I don't care if Scottish people vote for independence. Good luck to them either way and if Scotland votes Yes I cannot wait to see the faces in Westminster; especially old cornish pasty face himself.

 

[Scotsman69]

The GU poll

was BEFORE the Eastleigh bye-election, silly. And GU students do NOT represent the voters of Scotland. I know, it was my alma mater.

Glasgow University students disagree.

 

[Scotsman69]

And

you're from the UK? Do you even know what the Eastleigh results were? Or indeed, what it was?

They may vote but no one will know what the hell they are saying.

 

[Scotsman69]

It was more far-reaching

than Hamilton '67 in UK terms. That event didn't herald the death of the Tory party.

Wasn't quite Hamilton '67 though.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Interesting.

Even as the various Socialist leaning factions of Europe clamor for greater unity under the Euro union and UN, they also fight for separatism...



Meanwhile, in Italy, Fascism arises refreshened.

 

[Scotsman69]

Oh deary me...

such cynicism, my lad. I agree there has been a boring and worrying policy convergence between Tory, Labour, and LibDem. But UKIP is in a different world, and the Eastleigh result means the death of that convergence. And the death of the Tories as they have been for fifty years now.

It is a corrupt system run by parties without an inch of difference when it comes to the big issues (UKIP/Greens/BNP no different - just that, like the Lib Dems, of years past, they're too small to have to actually govern but as soon as the LDs did......they followed the same old same old).

So I don't care if Scottish people vote for independence. Good luck to them either way and if Scotland votes Yes I cannot wait to see the faces in Westminster; especially old cornish pasty face himself.

 

[Scotsman69]

As it does in England.

That is precisely what the Eastleigh reslut means. But you obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. Pity the US media largely ignores what happens in the rest of the world.

Interesting.

Even as the various Socialist leaning factions of Europe clamor for greater unity under the Euro union and UN, they also fight for separatism...



Meanwhile, in Italy, Fascism arises refreshened.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You are right.

I have no idea as to what you are talking about, nor do I care all that much.

It is a pity that you come to the general board knowing that no-one understands the situation but then do nothing to generate any interest whatsoever by purposely keeping us in the dark, knowing our press does not cover it (as you allude to) and then blasting away at, I guess any non-Scot or Scot with the wrong viewpoint, for their lack of knowledge on the subject when you had the brief moment in time to try to reach out and catch them up to speed.

We. at least, know what is going on in the Falklands...

It is no wonder why no one pays attention to ya''ll, you'uns simply do not want us'ns to.

 

[Lord_Nibiru]

such cynicism, my lad. I agree there has been a boring and worrying policy convergence between Tory, Labour, and LibDem. But UKIP is in a different world, and the Eastleigh result means the death of that convergence. And the death of the Tories as they have been for fifty years now.

I don't see it as cynical my friend. Every major party was going to cut costs. Every major party would've gone into Iraq (the Lib Dems had what the UKIP/Greens have now, back then, which is a chance to take a principled standing because they didn't matter but Clegg has shown in his actions with Libya and Syria that he is every bit the warmonger of IDS, Hague, Cameron, Blair and Brown). Every major party heralded the freeing of the Bank of England even though, rather like the also much lorded right to buy of Thatch's reign, it was patently against the interests of the people long term. They all (once grown to a significant standing) have reps at Bilderberg. They all pretend bark anti EU whilst biting pro EU nonsense (again, the UKIP have proven this by their choices of leadership at the expense of real anti EU people). etc, etc, etc.

Democracy is dead. If, indeed, it ever truly existed as it seems to me democracy was the establishment's way to appease people without ever really losing their power and influence.

I don't think Eastleigh represents the beginning of the end of the Tories at all personally. Maybe of this government, but then it was always a joke government relying on left wing votes to create a right wing government. That is the system the parasites in westminster/city of london set up and it wasn't for anyone else's benefit but their own.

 

[Lord_Nibiru]

You are right.

I have no idea as to what you are talking about, nor do I care all that much.

It is a pity that you come to the general board knowing that no-one understands the situation but then do nothing to generate any interest whatsoever by purposely keeping us in the dark, knowing our press does not cover it (as you allude to) and then blasting away at, I guess any non-Scot or Scot with the wrong viewpoint, for their lack of knowledge on the subject when you had the brief moment in time to try to reach out and catch them up to speed.

We. at least, know what is going on in the Falklands...

It is no wonder why no one pays attention to ya''ll, you'uns simply do not want us'ns to.

Not every Brit supports our attitude towards the Falklands and nor was it the case at the time. Amazingly, our children are not brought up to believe anything other than it was the right thing to do and everyone supported it. Worryingly, in decades to come I've little doubt that Iraq, Syria, Libya, the likely Iran war at some point will all be portrayed in the same manner.

Some of us Brits are peaceful; not many, but we're out there.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

you're from the UK? Do you even know what the Eastleigh results were? Or indeed, what it was?

I have never been able to understand Scots when they talk. I assume it's English but it comes out like Klingon. Torries are the conservative party? Liberals have been extolling the death of the Conservative party for decades. The only problem with that is the majority of people are and will continue to be conservative by nature. So you can take your results and aracht 'naog ho!

 

[Squibbs]

That is precisely what the Eastleigh reslut means. But you obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. Pity the US media largely ignores what happens in the rest of the world.

If Limbaugh doesn't talk about it he has to make shit up.

He's just a mouthpiece for the right, nothing more.

 

[Scotsman69]

I very specifically asked

for 'thoughts from the UK'. Numpty!

You are right.

I have no idea as to what you are talking about, nor do I care all that much.

It is a pity that you come to the general board knowing that no-one understands the situation but then do nothing to generate any interest whatsoever by purposely keeping us in the dark, knowing our press does not cover it (as you allude to) and then blasting away at, I guess any non-Scot or Scot with the wrong viewpoint, for their lack of knowledge on the subject when you had the brief moment in time to try to reach out and catch them up to speed.

We. at least, know what is going on in the Falklands...

It is no wonder why no one pays attention to ya''ll, you'uns simply do not want us'ns to.

 

[hogjack]

Scotland has 5 million residents. Total.

There are suburbs in China with 5 million.
There are 5 million registered hookers in the world.

Scotland is an incredible land with a rich, fascinating heritage, a wonderful people and unique culture. But it is NOT a country with any profound impact on the world nor can it defend itself against the world's evils.

Whatever it chooses and whatever direction it goes will not have any geo-political impact.

 

[Scotsman69]

Aye, we're a wee country

And no, Scottish independence won't have a world-shattering impact. (Except for control over our offshore hydrocarbons, and the closure of the Trident base at Faslane - a key component of NATO's nuclear strategy.)

Do you deny the inhabitants of a wee country the right to determine their own future?

But the impact of Eastleigh is the death, or transformation, of the Tory party. UKIP's vote at Eastleigh ensures that. And makes it more likely that in the course of time, England will withdraw from the EU. THAT will have a world-shattering impact.

Scotland has 5 million residents. Total.

There are suburbs in China with 5 million.
There are 5 million registered hookers in the world.

Scotland is an incredible land with a rich, fascinating heritage, a wonderful people and unique culture. But it is NOT a country with any profound impact on the world nor can it defend itself against the world's evils.

Whatever it chooses and whatever direction it goes will not have any geo-political impact.

 

[hogjack]

Do you deny the inhabitants of a wee country the right to determine their own future?

No. But it's no more important than a mayoral election of a big city in the US, India, Russia, China, Brazil...wherever.

This is hardly a revolution.

 

[oggbashan]

Elvis beats Trade Union and Socialism!

Here is the full list of election results from the Eastleigh by election:

MIKE THORNTON - Liberal Democrats - 13,342

DIANE JAMES - UK Independence Party - 11,571

MARIA HUTCHINGS - Conservative - 10,559

JOHN O'FARRELL - Labour - 4,088

DANNY STUPPLE - Independent - 768

DR IAIN MACLENNAN - National Health Action Party - 392

RAY HALL - Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party - 235

KEVIN MILBURN - Christian Party "Proclaiming Christ's Lordship" - 163

HOWLING LAUD HOPE - Monster Raving Loony William Hill Party - 136

JIM DUGGAN - Peace Party - 128

DAVID BISHOP - Elvis Loves Pets Party - 72

MICHAEL WALTERS - The English Democrats - "Putting England First!" - 70

DARREN PROCTER - Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition - 62

COLIN BEX - Wessex regionalists - 30


Lib Dem win by majority of 1, 771

Turn out 52.8 per cent

 

[torchthebitch]

was BEFORE the Eastleigh bye-election, silly. And GU students do NOT represent the voters of Scotland. I know, it was my alma mater.

I rather doubt that the deliberations of an English constituency of their own concerns would have dramatically influenced the students in Glasgow. And as to your point about the students not representing Scotland, perhaps the Government of Scotland should dispense with all the expense of a referendum and simply get you to declare the result since you seem to know what the voters want.

 

[torchthebitch]

DIANE JAMES - UK Independence Party - 11,571

MARIA HUTCHINGS - Conservative - 10,559

On the face of it, had a form of proportional representation been used, the Tories would have garnered most second transfers.

I doubt if the election heralds the death of the Tory party but it may result in a future coalition which will not be to Britain's benefit. Further, I think people need to look at how the UKIP vote was composed. Sean ridicules them as happy face fascists, but I think this vote shows a change in the definition of the typical UKIP voter. Whether this translates into a change in the party is questionable, but one can hope.

 

[Pairaclities]

Spells the end of the Tories. And the end of the UK. It makes it more certain that Scotland will vote for independence in 2014. Thoughts from the UK?

I read an article in The Economist recently that put Scottish separatist support at 30% of the country.
At that rate it is pretty certain not to fly. Do you know something different?
Do the parameters of the referendum include 50% + 1?

 

[Scotsman69]

I repeat

The GU poll was before Eastleigh.

Do you live in the UK?

I rather doubt that the deliberations of an English constituency of their own concerns would have dramatically influenced the students in Glasgow. And as to your point about the students not representing Scotland, perhaps the Government of Scotland should dispense with all the expense of a referendum and simply get you to declare the result since you seem to know what the voters want.