Dump Blair!

[REDWAVE]

I tell you, you really got to feel sorry for poor little Toady Blair. It's hell being a pawn of U.S imperialism! He's seriously stuck between a rock and a hard place. By supporting U.S. aggression against Iraq, and even committing U.K. troops to it, he's seriously alienating his own people, the overwhelming majority of whom oppose the big Iraq attack. But if he opposed the war, his master Bush would be seriously pissed off at him, and he would face intense CIA machinations to remove him from power and replace him with a Tory.

Most of his own party's MP's oppose him on this, so he faces a very real threat of a vote of no confidence, dissolving Parliament and forcing new elections. To forestall that, he's resisted calls to recall Parliament from its summer recess. If they're not in session, they can't "no confidence" him. The British people should DEMAND an immediate recall of Parliament. If this demand is not met, there should be a general political strike, accompanied by militant mass demonstrations, demanding the ouster of Blair and immediate new elections.

 

[binkley]

Hear, hear! Put a real Tory in Downing Street.

 

[REDWAVE]

Not exactly

Well, that's one possibility, but not exactly what I was talking about. I'm hoping the Labor Party will dump Blair, replacing him with an anti-war party leader, and keep a majority in the new election. The Tories have been thoroughly discredited by scandals. Plus, they're an "old line" conservative party, which is dying out. The trend today on the right is toward fascism. Or hadn't you noticed that?

 

[binkley]

Re: Not exactly

The trend today on the right is toward fascism.

Fascism is just to the right of Communism, and to the left of modern liberals. Is this what you are talking about?

 

[Myrrdin]

Not sure where you get your news from. But there will be a full Parliamentary debate before any military action against Iraq is launched.

Meanwhile Iraq's vice president has called on all Arabs to confront the US and its people by any means neccessary.

 

[binkley]

Meanwhile Iraq's vice president has called on all Arabs to confront the US and its people by any means neccessary.

For whatever reasons, he does not seem to be well heeded by all Arabs.

 

[REDWAVE]

Replies

Myrrdin-- I get my news from several sources. here's one:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/sep2002/iraq-s10.shtml

Actually, that's one concern-- that there won't be a full parliamentary debate before British troops are committed.

Binkley-- Sounds pretty warped to me. Are you doing acid again? I'm talking about things like Le Pen's making the runoff in the recent French elections, Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands, the police state drive here in the U.S., etc.

 

[binkley]

Re: Replies

Sounds pretty warped to me. Are you doing acid again?

I'm talking about things like full employment policies, state ownership or sponsorship of key industries, rigorous control of government and society by the official party, strong pervasive police powers, expansionist foreign policy. There's good reason Nazi stood for National Socialists.

 

[REDWAVE]

4 out of 5!

Well's, let's see. Right now, with Bush we've got state sponsorship of key industries, rigorous control of government and society by the official party (in this case one party with two branches), strong pervasive police powers, and an expansionist foreign policy. The only thing we don't have is a full employment policy. Instead, we have a policy of mass unemployment, poverty, and tax cuts for the rich. Sounds worse than fascism to me.

And of course, anyone who knows anything about 20th century history knows fascism arose as a reaction against socialism, and in particular as a reaction against the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The fascists aped some of the socialist phraseology insincerely, with the purpose of twisting it around for a reactionary purpose. Thus "international banker," which the socialists quite rightly declaimed against, became "international Jew banker," poisoning the concept by adding anti-Semitism, the socialism of fools.

 

[binkley]

Re: 4 out of 5!

Right now, with Bush we've got state sponsorship of key industries,

X You mean deregulation, not reregulation.

rigorous control of government and society by the official party

X You should tell that to the Dems; they don't seem to be listening very well.

strong pervasive police powers

X Few governments get good marks there. Fortunately, we have a Constitution and Bill of Right.

expansionist foreign policy.

X Nothing more needs be said.

Sounds worse than fascism to me.

Feel free to move to the fascist country of your choice. I don't know of any at the moment outside of Africa, but you never know.

And of course, anyone who knows anything about 20th century history knows fascism arose as a reaction against socialism

This would be 100% in error, unfortunately. Ah, well.

 

[binkley]

Why don't you post more on my rarely imitated quotes thread?

 

[REDWAVE]

Your Dill thread?

Hey, if I wanted to post on that kind of thread a lot, I'd go to the grand master of eclectic nonsense himself, Dillinger.

Although I must admit, if you keep it up, you might give him a run for his money.

 

[binkley]

Re: Your Dill thread?

Hey, if I wanted to post on that kind of thread a lot, I'd go to the grand master of eclectic nonsense himselfDillinger.

In truth, it's not intended as nonsense, but I can easily see why it's thought of that way.

 

[REDWAVE]

Sense?

Really? Well, if you can make any sense out of it, please explain it to me. Does his concept of "scientific fundamentalism" make any sense to you? It sure doesn't to me.

 

[binkley]

Re: Sense?

Does his concept of "scientific fundamentalism" make any sense to you? It sure doesn't to me.

There are many bits in those quotes that make no sense. That's part of the pattern to them as a group.

 

[REDWAVE]

Gee, thanks!

O boy, thanks for the explanation, bink. That really clears things up a lot.


Sorry, I prefer Marxist clarity to deliberate obscurantism.

 

[binkley]

Re: Gee, thanks!

Sorry, I prefer Marxist clarity to deliberate obscurantism.

You might appreciate the recent post there about someone living in S. Central L.A.

 

[Wrong Element]

You're opposed to U.S. "imperialism", and yet here you are, an American telling the British people what they "should" do in regard to their own government. Isn't that just a touch ironic?

 

[binkley]

Isn't that just a touch ironic?

Please, please, we're all friends here. Try 'ferrous' or 'metallic'. Why are you pulling out the I-word so quickly?

 

[REDWAVE]

No

Not at all, WE. As a private citizen, I have every right to express my opinion on politics, including that of other countries. The British people aren't going to do something just because I say so. At most, I might play some small part in helping to persuade them to do something. Imperialism, on the other hand, involves compelling other people to do what you tell them to do.

 

[floridaguy64]

Please, please, we're all friends here. Try 'ferrous' or 'metallic'. Why are you pulling out the I-word so quickly?

Although I wouldn't have used the word "Ironic" in this instance, the word "IDIOTIC" does come to mind.



What is it going to take for naysayers like REDWAVE to wake up? A nuke in downtown USA? Possibly killing MILLIONS this time?

Give me a large friggin break!



SEMPER FI America! And for God's sake, STAND UP DAMNIT!

 

[binkley]

Re: No

Imperialism, on the other hand, involves compelling other people to do what you tell them to do.

I thought Imperialism was the building and maintaining of empires. Are we changing games here? Where did I put those rules?

 

[binkley]

And for God's sake, STAND UP DAMNIT!

I believe your penis shaft is bent a little to the right, and maybe curved inward somewhat.

 

[floridaguy64]

Re: No

Not at all, WE. As a private citizen, I have every right to express my opinion on politics, including that of other countries. The British people aren't going to do something just because I say so. At most, I might play some small part in helping to persuade them to do something. Imperialism, on the other hand, involves compelling other people to do what you tell them to do.

Are you then implying that our president is now "King George Bush"? If I remember my history correctly, a greatly outnumbered few Americans beat the shit out of the last "Imperial King George's henchmen", hence, the United States of America was born.

BTW... if America is so damned imperialist, how come the world comes to us for humanitarian aid? "Oh please feed us, let us skip out on our debts to you... and oh yeah, can you keep so-n-so from invading us while you are at it?"

Once again... give me a great big friggin break!


SEMPER FI America!

 

[floridaguy64]

I believe your penis shaft is bent a little to the right, and maybe curved inward somewhat.

You'd have to see it to believe it!