"Doing a Lynndie"

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I really do not mean this to be a pol-thread, but I found the intent of this essay worthwhile, i.e., made me think on things. - Perdita

THE LYNNDIE HOP - Neva Chonin, SF Chronicle, August 29, 2004

"It was just for fun." -- Pfc. Lynndie England

It's already become one of the most iconic images of the new century, right up there with the World Trade Center on fire and Howard Dean screaming: Private Lynndie England stands before a row of naked detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison, smirking at the camera, a cigarette dangling from her lips as she points an imaginary rifle at a prisoner's pixelated genitalia.

The image is loathsome. It's also the inspiration behind the Internet's latest 15-minute phenomenon -- or, as one blogger termed it, the new "U.K. guerrilla street craze": "Doing a Lynndie," brought to us courtesy of the British blog Bad Gas (badgas.co.uk/lynndie). Using the tactics of stealth disco (videotaping a prankster sneaking up behind an unwitting victim and performing disco moves), Lynndie hoppers ambush passers-by, re-enact Lynndie's famous rifle gesture (with the bemused second party in the prisoner role) and snap a picture.

Some of the results are, well, pretty funny, even if they do make me want to scrub my brain with Clorox. Clicking through the pictures, I peruse each prankster's face and ponder their interpretation of the joke. Is it transgressive performance art riffing on a famous image? Political satire? After all, when faced with the grotesque, sometimes humor is the only logical option. Witness Jonathan Swift's famous 1729 essay, "A Modest Proposal," in which the author suggested relieving Irish poverty by eating Irish children.

I suspect, though, that "doing a Lynndie" is just amoral wanking by people whose sense of humor runs toward fart jokes. The Bad Gas blog seems to agree, noting that Lynndie's original pose "has shocked, sickened and outraged people. But more importantly, it has captured the imagination of young men and women up and down the country who don't give much of a s -- about anything."

The Lynndie has spread beyond jolly England (pun unintentional ... OK, maybe a little intentional). Bad Gas' expanding rogues gallery of Lynndie hoppers includes a dope with a pen hanging out of his mouth to simulate a cigarette Lynndie-ing a co-worker in Windhoek, Namibia, and a San Francisco barbecuer pulling a Lynndie on his grilled sausages. Lynndie is the Gap, the Big Mac, a Nike shoe. She's our latest all-American export, our new cultural ambassador.

It's all done in dark humor, for sure, a visual version of those gallows jokes we tell after every celebrity death. But doing a Lynndie is also a gesture of contempt, encouraged by the titular woman's less-than-comely face and her victims' less-than-American nationality. To many, it's OK to make light of an ugly American abusing hapless Iraqi men; in fact, it's high hilarity. No one wants to identify with the subjects of those Abu Ghraib pictures. We'd rather humiliate them. Racists can do the Lynndie to mock the prisoners' pain; sexists can mock "she-man" Lynndie; misanthropes can mock everyone.

Conversely, consider this. We mock to distance ourselves. Perhaps the bad behavior of poster girl Lynndie and her less-famous male colleagues crawled under our skin like a carnivorous bedbug because, on a deeper level, they were all too familiar. Who wants to consider that, under the right/wrong circumstances, any number of us might engage in the unthinkable? Some words of wisdom from Theodore Dalrymple, who wrote in the Aug. 6 Times of London, "Private England was young and came from a stratum of society -- that which is unkindly known as trailer-park trash -- that rarely finds itself in control of anything, even of its own life, and is generally the object of derision and contempt. Suddenly she was dressed in a little brief authority, and she knew how to take revenge for all her past humiliations, as well as satisfy that desire for cruelty that never lives very far below the human surface."

There's a fine line between "doing a Lynndie" and "becoming a Lynndie." 'Tis true.
 
Perdita,

I understand your resistance to making it a pol thread and hope it remains so.

When I saw the title of your thread, my first thought was of Rodney Dangerfield on the 10 meter platform about to do his famous dive. ["Back to School" - a very funny movie for those of you that have not seen it]

As I read the article, I found some additional irony in that my brain chose to associate the original "I can't get no respect" persona with a situation that deserves none.

The author makes some interesting observations about how people use humor to distance themselves. I think even more interesting are some of the final comments about the narrowness that there sometimes exists between behaving badly and being bad.

Personally I find this situation as a source of humor somewhat akin to the Peterson trial and other situations where we become privy to some of the worst sides of human nature. I'm personally concerned that when something becomes too easily a source of humor, the gravity of the situation is lessened.
 
OldnotDead said:
I'm personally concerned that when something becomes too easily a source of humor, the gravity of the situation is lessened.
OnD: your comments are as interesting as the article, thanks. I too have the same concern re. the humor/gravity issue. Guess we just have to see what happens and go from there.

"Back to School" is hilarious, and I like the associations you made.

Perdita
 
perdita said:
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"Back to School" is hilarious, and I like the associations you made.

Perdita

Helps to understand what a twisted mind with which folks have to deal.

;) and, for those other than Perdita that might misunderstand, I was referring to myself.
 
It's a sad if not embarrasing situation for us as a nation. I'm personally appalled by her choice of amusement.

I read today about how she was also reprimanded for stomping on prisoners toes and fingers.

I think IMO, she's just a loose cannon.
 
There have always been and will, unfortunately, always be people who can't face the ugly truth, and so they make fun of the pain instead.:(

I would like to see a massive, official punishment of Lynndie and her like-minded goons. Sweeping it all under the carpet will NOT make people forget, it will just make people look down on those responsible.
 
Sorry for brushing against the ugly Pol, Perdyatita.:eek:


On a brighter note, I had a hair cut today. I look like a sweet, innocent little girl now. Not exactly the mature, responsible, professional look I was aiming for to go with my first day at the new job tomorrow, but I'm still pleased.
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Sorry for brushing against the ugly Pol, Perdyatita.:eek:
OK, I forgive you, but everybody else: please, we've been through what everyone thinks of this matter, stick to the essay's gist if you want to comment.

Svenska: send me a photo, I want to know what a sweet and innocent looking svenska flicka looks like. P. ;)
 
Remember the AV with me dressed in black, my long hair flowing in the wind, and I'm doing The Stare?

Well, now I look exactly the opposite of that.




Can someone help me get this damned halo off?:devil:
 
O god no! You've lost 'the stare'? How will you ever get through life now? or at least until your hair grows back. P.

p.s. stay away from men, do not talk to any.
 
I tried doing The Stare in front of the mirror. OK. It does NOT work. If I try to do The Stare in public, people's gonna offer me Midol.

However, I might be able to use this Innocent Look to my advantage - I'll make people think I'ma Good Girl - and then...:catgrin:
 
At its root, there is nothing about either the Abu Ghraib prison or Pfc. Lynndie England which is remotely funny.

Some people use humor as a weapon, some as a defense mechanism, and some as an anodyne.

Both subjects are sufficiently offensive already, nor do either deserve anyone’s effort in their defense, so I assume that any humor consciously employed should be directed toward numbing the pain.

I cannot see how HOPPING would serve in any of the three basic motives, which to me suggests that it is directed by people who — as the reporter put it — “don't give much of a s[hit] about anything” and even less thought.


I also question the validity of posting this article which solicits comment about the consequence arising out of either Abu Ghraib or Pfc. England, while trying to pre-empt political comment.

Save for political comment and subsequent discussion toward assessing cause, distributing blame, and suggesting remedy to insure that no repetitions are possible, what is the use of invoking further discomfort?
 
VB: sometimes humor can become wit, sometimes it can teach where a too painful focus might fail. This essay (vs. the perceived humor of the Lynndie-hop) helped me think differently about both. Of course there are certain topics that escape humor depending on the recipient, and which I cannot question if they are particularly personal (the reasons); I for one cannot brook humor about child molestation.

You question the “validity” of my post and request for non-political commentary? Do so of course, but I have no response to such an attitude. If you wish to discuss the politics of this, me, or anything on earth, start your own thread.

Perdita
 
All this fuss about a picture of Lynndie leading a man around by a dog leash.

Some guys pay good money for that kind of treatment. ;)
 
Vincent E said:
All this fuss about a picture of Lynndie leading a man around by a dog leash.

Some guys pay good money for that kind of treatment. ;)


Difference lies in the fact that they're volunteering to do it. Nothing funny about what Lynndie did - not a joking matter in any way.
 
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