"D'oh" of the year award.

[voluptuary_manque]

It turns out that having babies is good for women.

 

[Stella_Omega]

So are intestinal parasites. After all, we coexisted with tapeworms pinworms et al for all these gazillion years. We also evolved mechanisms for fighting them. Now we've eradicated them in so much of the population, but-- those mechanisms are still with us, warriors with no war. So, as warriors often do, they begin fighting their own soveriegn host.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=helminthic-therapy-mucus

However parasites must be carefully used, and not allowed to take over the host body. it's a delecate balance.
Another link:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/he...-parasites-be-beneficial-in-treating-disease/

Bear, my dear: "having babies is good for women" is true in some senses. however, having babies can also be very bad for women. Let's be careful with the pronouncements, shall we?

 

[3113]

It turns out that having babies is good for women.

Unless they die in childbirth. Or need a cesarian. Or end up with incontinence/sexual problems....

Bear, my dear: "having babies is good for women" is true in some senses. however, having babies can also be very bad for women. Let's be careful with the pronouncements, shall we?

What Stella said.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Unless they die in childbirth. Or need a cesarian. Or end up with incontinence/sexual problems....

Or live in poverty the rest of their lives-- along with the kids-- unsupported in any way...

All the positive brain chemistry in the world can't make that outcome better.

In fact we know that many women suffer from an opposite effect, post partum depression, which can cripple her for years or decades. And it's pretty rough on the kid, too.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Poor babies, its always something with the galz.

 

[SydneyBlake]

It turns out that having babies is good for women.

I can't say that I disagree with this statement. I am certainly far better grounded than my childless sister, who suffers from chronic depression.

 

[SydneyBlake]

So are intestinal parasites.?

Stella, I find your comparison absurd.

 

[lovecraft68]

I can't say that I disagree with this statement. I am certainly far better grounded than my childless sister, who suffers from chronic depression.

That doesn;t mean anything as anyone who has a couple of the little darlings can tell you that they can lead to that same depression.

Thing about babies is they are like puppies. Oh aren't they cute? Dn't they ahve that new baby smell? But then they get older you are a parent forever.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stella, I find your comparison absurd.

But-- it's true. There are more and more findings coming out that say we have over-sanitised ourselves and are now paying the price for that.

I think a statement like bear's is poorly thought out-- a sweeping statement like that becomes because of its sweeping nature. It makes childless women defensive-- or derisive-- which then puts the mothers among us on edge.

Does no one no good at all.

I have children, by the way. They have been both a boon and a burden. I doubt that I would be the exact same person without having had them, but I suspect that I just might have been happier -- in some portions of my life. Sure, I might also have been less fulfilled in some other ways. You pays your money and you gets on that train and off you goes, yanno?

 

[SydneyBlake]

That doesn;t mean anything as anyone who has a couple of the little darlings can tell you that they can lead to that same depression.

Thing about babies is they are like puppies. Oh aren't they cute? Dn't they ahve that new baby smell? But then they get older you are a parent forever.

I have 3, so there's little you can enlighten me on, trust me. And the original statement was merely a repeat of the message conveyed by the video.

What the hell's wrong with just saying yeah, cool? A comparison to intestinal parasites? The analogy is not lost on me, I just think it's egregious.

 

[SydneyBlake]

I think a statement like bear's is poorly thought out-- a sweeping statement like that becomes because of its sweeping nature. It makes childless women defensive-- or derisive-- which then puts the mothers among us on edge.

I have children, by the way. They have been both a boon and a burden. I doubt that I would be the exact same person without having had them, but I suspect that I just might have been happier -- in some portions of my life. Sure, I might also have been less fulfilled in some other ways. You pays your money and you gets on that train and off you goes, yanno?

Between action and reaction lies the ability to choose. Choose to be defensive or not. As a scientist, I found the video interesting. I'd be equally interested in data that may support a differing view.

And yeah, you choose the train, and no takesy-backsy.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I dunno, Sydney, you seemed a bit defensive to me.

The analogy is with something we don't all want to do-- no matter that it might be 'better" for us. Far, far more people don't want to have parasites than don't want to have babies, naturally. The fetus/parasite comparison must have been my subconcious bubbling up... it was inadvertent, honestly.

 

[SydneyBlake]

The fetus/parasite comparison must have been my subconcious bubbling up... it was inadvertent, honestly.

But clever.

 

[estragon]

As has been suggested to me, a man, by the women in my life--when it comes to having babies, men should just do their thing and shut up. That is, assist in starting the process; love, honor and cherish mommy and kiddos; be an active partner in supporting (financially and emotionally) mommy and kiddos; and provide a good role model for said kiddos, so they can produce good grandkiddos. So much easier in the telling than in the doing.

 

[lovecraft68]

I have 3, so there's little you can enlighten me on, trust me. And the original statement was merely a repeat of the message conveyed by the video.

What the hell's wrong with just saying yeah, cool? A comparison to intestinal parasites? The analogy is not lost on me, I just think it's egregious.

You know this is one of those things that science really is irrelevant. It's a case by case basis.


They need to throw their stats and studies out the damn window and do something more constructive with tax dollars.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You know this is one of those things that science really is irrelevant. It's a case by case basis.


They need to throw their stats and studies out the damn window and do something more constructive with tax dollars.

ah, the idiotocracy agenda.

 

[SydneyBlake]

You know this is one of those things that science really is irrelevant. It's a case by case basis.


They need to throw their stats and studies out the damn window and do something more constructive with tax dollars.

I have to disagree. Studying these effects on the brain could lead to a better understanding of post-partum depression, where the circuit boards definitely aren't firing correctly. Maybe then, tragedies like Andrea Yates could be averted.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Whenever I hear about the positive effects of women having babies, be it physical or mental, the paranoid me immediately wonders if it's an exaggeration published to encourage women to go for the traditional housewife-and-mother role instead of studies and career.

You know, like back in time when women were warned that studying could be hazardous to their health, because it might cause their vaginas to break free and start roaming around inside the body.

Or when women were told that postponing marriage and childbirth (until they had finished their studies and had enjoyed being in the workfield for a couple of years) might lead to all the good guys getting taken so that these poor women would never find suitable husbands and be doomed to a life of loneliness, OR if they do find a husband, there would be a higher risk that their kids would be born with defects, since the ideal age for giving birth is in the early 20'ies, and after that, the odds go down.

I'm not a scientist. I don't know enough about biology to prove that having babies isn't good for women. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But I do find it interesting that arguments encouraging women to have offspring keep popping up again and again throughtout history.

Is this true, or is it another "scientific argument" that's been made into 5 hens from one feather; in order to get rid of some of the competition for men in the educational system /work market?

 

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[Zeb_Carter]

While I think children are cute and cuddly...wait maybe that's puppies.

I have two children and seven grandchildren at last count, I adore them all. My wife adores them more than I do, at least that's what she says.

That said...there are times that...well I think about where we are now and where we could have been if. It doesn't change the fact that my children are in this world or that their children are. It doesn't change my love for them. But...

Oh by the way, depression just doesn't hit those non-moms.

 

[SydneyBlake]

Give the devil his due, but not more

@svenskaflicka--Vaginas breaking free and what??? Never mind. This is one video based on one (or more, can't remember) research study. To view it as anything more does, indeed, sound paranoid.

One only needs a rudimentary grasp on logical thought to know that the survival of the species depends upon (at least some) women having children. Whether or not it is "good" for women is a moot point, but the fact that our species has survived so many thousands of years would seem to support it.

The whole "men v women in the workforce" and "motherhood v career" debates are completely different arguments.

@sweetsebsarahh--The study utilizes poor research methodology? You know this because?

As for your personal experience, an anecdote does not equal data, and the video never says that pregnancy does not come without inherent risks, only that it has positive effects on brain chemistry. That's it.

And a bug plays a 100 decibel mating call in his dick? Link please. This I gotta see!

@Zeb--You're right. Need more research.

&@whoever said that having an abortion is safer than giving birth--This is only true early in the pregnancy. Late term abortions are more dangerous, in general, than actually going through the natural process of childbirth.