Dog training and obeidience

[Odin55]

I think that every where except Australia recognises it as a pure breed. I also have to learn how to spell shepherd, after looking at my last post

 

[warrior queen]

Australian Shepherd Official UKC Standard

i followed the link - but there was no link through to an accepted standard picture for me to see this animal.

anyone got a pic link?
coz i'll admit, i am intrigued!!!

 

[sunfox]

i followed the link - but there was no link through to an accepted standard picture for me to see this animal.

anyone got a pic link?
coz i'll admit, i am intrigued!!!

http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/ausshep.cfm

http://www.australianshepherds.org/

http://www.ashgi.org/

AKC breed standard picture... the Breed Club website, and a site on breed health for the Aussie.

Took me about a nanosecond on google.

Edited to add: http://www.ankc.aust.com/austshep.html
(The Australian National Kennel Council's website with a link to the Australian Shepherd, which is a recognized breed in Australia according to this link.)

 

[warrior queen]

ok, so basically this dog has nothing to do woth being an australian breed - it simply got the name by some obscure association with a few people who were in australia once or twice.

that makes some sense.

now i understand why i have never met a single australian who knows what an australian shepherd is or looks like!

it still looks like it's a mix-breed that has been standardised - kinda like they've developed the labradoodle (another 'mix' that has beed developed into a 'pure'breed).

personally, i think they should change the name.
reading the australian kennel club info, it seems that they recognise the breed as an overseas animal, but they do not recognise it in australia.

 

[sunfox]

ok, so basically this dog has nothing to do woth being an australian breed - it simply got the name by some obscure association with a few people who were in australia once or twice.

that makes some sense.

now i understand why i have never met a single australian who knows what an australian shepherd is or looks like!

it still looks like it's a mix-breed that has been standardised - kinda like they've developed the labradoodle (another 'mix' that has beed developed into a 'pure'breed).

personally, i think they should change the name.
reading the australian kennel club info, it seems that they recognise the breed as an overseas animal, but they do not recognise it in australia.

I did say in my first post that the breed wasn't Australian in origin, although it is believed to have originated from sheepdogs imported from Australia, as a side note.

I don't imagine that it much matters what the name of the dog is, in whether or not it's a breed... the Dandie Dinmont terrier is named after a fictional character in a book, for instance, and yet it is a breed.

I would also say, unless you run with a dog show crowd, probably most non-dogshow people don't know what a Sloughi looks like... or what a Basenji looks like... but that again doesn't make them less than true breeds.

All breeds are 'mixed breeds that have been standardised', if you want to split hairs. The doberman, for instance, is a mixture of about seven different breeds. To get down to brass tacks, the Greyhound is the first recognized breed of domestic dog.. so really, all breeds are just mixed breed greyhounds in the end, and all greyhounds are weird, shorthaired skinny desert wolves that were domesticated.

And yes, the Australian National Kennel Club does recognize the Aussie Shepherd to show in your country as a breed. Of course it's an overseas breed... so are about 150 other breeds.

 

[autoerotism]

I have been reading along and find it strange, why you would need to defend the breed australian shepherd? I could see some of the other wacky names. Here let me list a few...

Affenpinscher

Afghan Hound

African Wild Dog

Ainu Dog

Airedale Terrier

Akbash Dog

Akita Inu

Alano Español

Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog

Alaskan Husky

Alaskan Klee Kai

Alaskan Malamute

Alopekis

Alpine Dachsbracke

American Bandogge Mastiff

American Black and Tan Coonhound (See Black and Tan Coonhound)

American Blue Gascon Hound

American Bulldog
American Bullnese

American Cocker Spaniel

American Crested Sand Terrier (photo needed)

American Eskimo Dog

American Foxhound

American Hairless Terrier

American Indian Dog

American Lo-Sze Pugg (TM)

American Mastiff (Panja)

American Mastiff (Flying W)

American Pit Bull Terrier

American Staffordshire Terrier

American Staghound (See Staghound)

American Toy Terrier (Amertoy) (See Toy Fox Terrier)

American Water Spaniel

American White Shepherd

Anatolian Shepherd Dog

Anglos-Francaises (photos needed)

Anglos-Francai Grand (photos needed)

Anglos-Francais de Moyenne Venerie (photo needed)

Anglos-Francaises de Petite Venerie (photo needed)

Appenzell Mountain Dog

Ariegeois

Armant (photo needed)

Aryan Molossus (photo needed)

Argentine Dogo (See Dogo Argentino)

Arubian Cunucu Dog

Aussie Bulldog

Australian Bandog

Australian Cattle Dog

Australian Kelpie

Australian Shepherd

Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog

Australian Terrier

Austrian Brandlbracke (photo needed)

Austrian Shorthaired Pinscher

Azawakh

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Banter Bulldogge
Banjara Greyhound (photo needed)

Barbet

Basenji

Basset Artesien Normand

Basset Hound

Bavarian Mountain Hound (photo needed)

Beagle

Beagle Harrier

Bearded Collie

Beauceron

Bedlington Terrier

Bedouin Shepherd Dog (photo needed)

Belgian Griffons (photos needed)

Belgian Mastiff (photo needed)

Belgian Shepherd Groenendael

Belgian Shepherd Laekenois

Belgian Shepherd Malinois

Belgian Shepherd Tervuren

Belgian Shorthaired Pointer (photo needed)

Belgrade Terrier (photo needed)

Bench-legged Feist (photo needed)

Bergamasco

Berger des Picard

Berger des Pyrénées

Berger Du Languedoc (photo needed)

Bernese Mountain Dog

Bichon Frise

Bichon Havanais (See Havanese)

Bichon/Yorkie

Biewer

Billy (photo needed)

Black and Tan Coonhound

Black Forest Hound (photo needed)

Black Mouth Cur

Black Russian Terrier

Bleus de Gascogne

Bloodhound

Blue Heeler (See Australian Cattle Dog)

Blue Lacy

Bluetick Coonhound

Boerboel

Bohemian Terrier (See Cesky Terrier)

Bolognese

Border Collie

Border Terrier

Borzoi

Boston Terrier

Bouvier de Ardennes (photo needed)

Bouvier des Flanders

Boxer

Boykin Spaniel

Bracco Italiano

Braque D' Ariege (photo needed)

Braque D' Auvergne (photo needed)

Braque Du Bourbonnais

Braque Dupuy (photo needed)

Braque Saint-Germain (photo needed)

Braques Francaises (photo needed)

Brazilian Terrier

Briard

Brittany Spaniel

Briquet

Briquet Griffon Vendeen (photo needed)

Broholmer (photo needed)

Brussels Griffon (See Belgian Griffon)

Bull Boxer

Bull Terrier

Bulldog

Bullmastiff

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Cairn Terrier

Cajun Squirrel Dog
Canadian Eskimo Dog (photo needed)

Canary Dog

Canaan Dog

Canarian Warren Hound (photo needed)

Cane Corso Italiano

Canis Panther

Canoe Dog (photo needed)

Cão da Serra da Estrela

Cão da Serra de Aires

Cão de Castro Laboreiro

Cão de Fila de São Miguel

Carlin Pinscher

Caravan Hound (photo needed)

Carolina Dog

Carpathian Sheepdog

Catahoula Bulldog

Catahoula Leopard Dog (See Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog)

Catalan Sheepdog

Caucasian Ovtcharka

Cardigan Welsh Corgi

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Central Asian Ovtcharka

Cesky Fousek (photo needed)

Cesky Terrier

Chart Polski

Chesapeake Bay Retriever

Chien D' Artois (photo needed)

Chien De L' Atlas (photo needed)

Chiens Francaises (photo needed)

Chihuahua

Chin (See Japanese Spaniel)

Chinese Chongqing Dog

Chinese Crested (hairless)

Chinese Foo Dog (photo needed)

Chinese Shar-Pei (See Shar-Pei)

Chinook

Chi-Poo

Chippiparai (photo needed)

Chortaj (photo needed)

Chow Chow

Cirneco Dell 'Etna

Clumber Spaniel

Cockapoo

Cocker Spaniel

Collie (Rough and Smooth)

Combai (photo needed)

Continental Toy Spaniel (See Papillon)

Corgi

Coton De Tulear

Coydog (photo needed)

Cretan Hound

Croatian Sheepdog

Curly-Coated Retriever

Cypro Kukur (photo needed)

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog

Czesky Terrier (See Cesky Terrier)


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Dachshund

Dalmatian

Dandie Dinmont Terrier

Danish Broholmer (photo needed)

Danish-Swedish Farmdog

Danish Chicken Dog (photo needed)

Deutsche Bracke (photo needed)

Deutscher Wachtelhund

Dingo

Doberman Pinscher

Dogo Argentino

Dogue Brasileiro

Dogue de Bordeaux

Dorset Olde Tyme Bulldogge

Drentse Patrijshond

Drever

Dunker (photo needed)

Dutch Shepherd Dog

Dutch Smoushond
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East-European Shepherd

East Russian Coursing Hounds (photo needed)

East Siberian Laika (photo needed)

Elkhound (See Norwegian Elkhound)

English Bulldog (See Bulldog)
English Bullen Bordeaux Terrier (photo needed)

English Cocker Spaniel

English Coonhound

English Foxhound

English Pointer (See Pointer)

English Setter

English Shepherd

English Springer Spaniel

English Toy Spaniel

Entlebucher Sennenhund

Epagneul Francais (photo needed)

Epagneul Pont-Audemer (photo needed)

Epagneuls Picardies (photo needed)

Eskimo Dog (photo needed)

Estonian Hound (photo needed)

Estrela Mountain Dog (photo needed)

Eurasier

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Farm Collie (see Scotch Collie)

Fauves De Bretagne (photo needed)

Feist

Field Spaniel

Fila Brasileiro

Finnish Hound
Finnish Lapphund

Finnish Spitz

Flat-Coated Retriever

Foxhound

Fox Terrier

French Brittany Spaniel (photo needed)

French Bulldog

French Mastiff (See Dogue de Bordeaux)

French Tricolour Hound (photo needed)

French White and Black Hound (photo needed)

French White and Orange Hound (photo needed)


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Galgo Español

Gascons-Saintongeois (photo needed)

German Hunt Terrier

German Longhaired Pointer

German Pinscher

German Sheeppoodle

German Shepherd Dog

German Shorthaired Pointer

German Spitz

German Wirehaired Pointer

German Wolfspitz (photo needed)

Giant Schnauzer

Glen of Imaal Terrier

Golden Retriever

Goldendoodle

Gordon Setter

Gran Mastin de Borinquen (photo needed)

Grand anglo-francais (photo needed)

Grand anglo-français tricolore (photo needed)

Grand anglo-français blanc et noir (photo needed)

Grand anglo-français blanc et orange (photo needed)
Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen (photo needed)

Grand bleu de Gascogne (photo needed)

Grand gascon saintongeois (photo needed)

Grand Griffon Vendeen (photo needed)

Great Dane

Great Pyrenees

Greater Swiss Mountain Dog

Greek Hound (See Hellenikos Ichnilatis)

Greek Sheepdog (See Hellenikos Poimenikos)

Greenland Dog

Greyhound

Griffon Nivernais (photo needed)







Groenendael (See Belgian Shepherd Groenendael)

Grosser Münsterländer Vorstehhund (See Large Münsterländer)

Guatemalan Bull Terrier

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Hairless Khala

Halden Hound

Hamiltonstovare (photo needed)

Hanoverian Hound (photo needed)

Harlequin Pinscher (photo needed)

Harrier

Havanese

Hawaiian Poi Dog (photo needed)

Hellenikos Ichnilatis

Hellenikos Poimenikos

Hertha Pointer (photo needed)

Himalayan Sheepdog (photo needed)

Hokkaido Dog (See Ainu Dog)

Hovawart

Hygenhund (photo needed)

Hungarian Greyhound (see Magyar Agar)

Hungarian Kuvasz (See Kuvasz)

Hungarian Puli (See Puli)

Husky (See Siberian Husky)
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Ibizan Hound

Icelandic Sheepdog

Inca Hairless Dog (photo needed)

Irish Glen Imaal Terrier (photo needed)

Irish Red and White Setter

Irish Setter

Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Irish Terrier

Irish Water Spaniel

Irish Wolfhound

Istrian Coarse-Haired Hound (Photo Needed)

Istrian Short-Haired Hound (Photo Needed)

Italian Greyhound

Italian Spinoni (See Spinone Italiano)
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Jack Russell Terrier

Japanese Spaniel (Chin)

Japanese Spitz

Japanese Terrier

Jindo
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Kai Dog

Kangal Dog

Kangaroo Dog

Kanni (photo needed)

Karabash (See Anatolian Shepherd Dog)

Karakachan

Karelian Bear Dog

Karelian Bear Laika (photo needed)

Karelo-Finnish Laika (photo needed)

Keeshond

Kelb Tal-Fenek (See Pharaoh Hound)

Kemmer Feist (photo needed)

Kemmer Stock Hybrid Squirrel Dogs

Kerry Beagle (photo needed)

Kerry Blue Terrier

King Charles Spaniel (See English Toy Spaniel)

King Shepherd

Kishu (photo needed)

Komondor

Kooikerhondje

Koolie

Krasky Ovcar

Kromfohrländer (photo needed)

Kugsha Dog (photo needed)

Kunming Dog

Kuvasz

Kyi-Leo®


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Labradoodle

Labrador Husky (photo needed)

Labrador Retriever

Lagotto Romagnolo

Lakeland Terrier

Lancashire Heeler

Landseer

Lapinporokoira

Lapphunds

Large Münsterländer

Larson Lakeview Bulldogge (photo needed)

Latvian Hound (photo needed)

Leonberger

Leopard Cur (photo needed)

Levesque (photo needed)

Lhasa Apso

Lithuanian Hound

Llewellin Setter

Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog

Lowchen (Little Lion Dog)

Lucas Terrier (photo needed)

Lundehund

Lurcher
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Magyar Agar (photo needed)

Mahratta Greyhound (photo needed)

Majestic Tree Hound (photo needed)

Majorca Shepherd Dog (photo needed)

Maltese

Malti-Poo

Manchester Terrier

Maremma Sheepdog

Markiesje

Mastiff

McNab

Mexican Hairless (See Xoloitzcuintle)

Mi-Ki

Middle Asian Ovtcharka (See Central Asian Ovtcharka)
Miniature American Eskimo (See American Eskimo Dog)

Miniature Australian Shepherd

Miniature Fox Terrier (photo needed)

Miniature Bull Terrier (See Bull Terrier)

Miniature Pinscher

Miniature Poodle

Miniature Schnauzer

Mioritic Sheepdog

Mongrel (Mutt)

Moscow Toy Terrier (See Russian Toy Terrier)

Moscow Vodolaz (photo needed)

Moscow Watchdog

Mountain Cur


Mountain Feist

Mountain View Cur

Mucuchies

Mudhol Hound (photo needed)

Mudi

Münsterländer

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Native American Indian Dog

Neapolitan Mastiff

Nebolish Mastiff

Nenets Herding Laika (photo needed)

New Guinea Singing Dog

New Zealand Huntaway

Newfoundland

Norbottenspets

Norfolk Terrier

North American Miniature Australian Shepherd (see Miniature Australian Shepherd)

Northeasterly Hauling Laika (photo needed)

Northern Inuit Dog (photo needed)

Norwegian Elkhound

Norwegian Buhund

Norwich Terrier

Nova Scotia Duck-Tolling Retriever
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Olde Boston Bulldogge

Old Danish Bird Dog (photo needed)

Old English Mastiff (See Mastiff)

Old English Sheepdog (Bobtail)

Old-Time Farm Shepherd (photo needed)

Olde English Bulldogge
Olde Victorian Bulldogge

Original English Bulldogge

Ori Pei

Otterhound

Owczarek Podhalanski (photo needed)

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Papillon
Parson Russell Terrier (see Jack Russell Terrier)

Pashmi Hound (photo needed)

Patterdale Terrier

Pekepoo

Pekingese

Pembroke Welsh Corgi

Pencil-tail Feist (photo needed)

Perdigueiro Portugueso

Perdiguero de Burgos (photo needed)

Perdiguero Navarro (photo needed)

Perro Cimarron

Perro de Pastor Mallorquin (photo needed)

Perro de Presa Canario (see Canary Dog)

Perro de Presa Mallorquin

Perro dogo Mallorquin (photo needed)

Perro Ratonero Andaluz

Peruvian Inca Orchid (PIO)

Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen

Petit Blue De Gascongne

Petit Brabancon (See Belgian Griffon)

Pharaoh Hound

Pit Bull Terrier (See American Pit Bull Terrier)

Plott Hound

Podengo Portuguesos Grande (photo needed)

Podengo Portuguesos Médio

Podengo Portuguesos Pequeno (photo needed)

Podenco Ibicenco (See Ibizan Hound)

Pointer

Poitevin (photo needed)

Polish Hound (photo needed)

Polish Tatra Sheepdog (photo needed)

Polski Owczarek Nizinny

Polski Owczarek Podhalanski (photo needed)

Pomeranian

Poodle

Poos

Porcelaine

Portuguese Podengo Pequeno

Portuguese Water Dog

Portuguese Rabbit Dog (photo needed)

Posavina Hound (photo needed)


Potsdam Greyhound (photo needed)

Prazsky Krysavik (photo needed)

Presa Canarios (see Canary Dog)

Pudelpointer (photo needed)

Pug

Puli (Pulik)

Pumi

Pyrenean Mastiff

Pyrenean Mountain Dog (See Great Pyrenees)

Queensland Heeler (See Australian Cattle Dog)

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Rafeiro do Alentejo

Raibs Suns

Rajapalyam (photo needed)

Rampur Greyhound (photo needed)

Rastreador Brasileiro (photo needed)

Rat Terrier

Redbone Coonhound

Rhodesian Ridgeback

Rottweiler

Rough Collie (See Collie)

Rumanian Sheepdog

Russian Bear Schnauzer (See Black Russian Terrier)

Russian Harlequin Hound (photo needed)

Russian Hound

Russian Spaniel

Russian Toy Terrier

Russian Tsvetnaya Bolonka

Russian Wolfhound (See Borzoi)

Russo-European Laika (photo needed)

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Saarlooswolfhond

Sabuesos Espanoles

Sage Ashayeri

Sage Koochee (photo needed)

Sage Mazandarani (photo needed)

Saint Bernard

Saluki

Samoyed

Sanshu Dog (photo needed)

Sarplaninac

Schapendoes

Schillerstovare (photo needed)

Schipperke

Schnauzers

Schnoodle

Scotch Collie

Scottish Deerhound

Scottish Terrier (Scottie)

Sealydale Terrier (photo needed)

Sealyham Terrier

Segugios Italianos (photo needed)

Shar-Pei

Shetland Sheepdog (Sheltie)

Shiba Inu

Shichon

Shih-Tzu

Shika Inus (photo needed)

Shikoku (photo needed)

Shiloh Shepherd

Siberian Husky

Siberian Laikas (photo needed)

Silken Windhound

Silky Terrier

Simaku (photo needed)

Skye Terrier

Sloughi

Slovensky Cuvac

Smalandsstovare

Small Greek Domestic Dog

Small Münsterländer (photo needed)

Smooth Collie (See Collie)

Smooth Fox Terrier

Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier

South Russian Ovtcharka

Spanish Mastiff

Spanish Water Dog

Spinone Italiano

Springer Spaniel (See English Springer Spaniel)

Stabyhoun

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Staghound

Standard American Eskimo (See American Eskimo Dog)

Standard Poodle

Standard Schnauzer

Stephens Stock Mountain Cur

Stichelhaar (photo needed)

Strellufstover (photo needed)

Styrian Roughhaired Mountain Hound (photo needed)

Sussex Spaniel
Swedish Elkhound (photo needed)

Swedish Lapphund (photo needed)

Swedish Vallhund

Swiss Shorthaired Pinscher (photo needed)

Swiss Laufhunds (photo needed)

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Tahltan Bear Dog (photo needed)

Taigan

Tasy (photo needed)

Teddy Roosevelt Terrier

Telomian

Tenterfield Terrier

Tepeizeuintli (See Xoloitzcuintle)

Thai Ridgeback

The Carolina Dog (See Carolina Dog)

Tibetan KyiApso (photo needed)

Tibetan Mastiff

Tibetan Spaniel

Tibetan Terrier

Titan Terrier

Tosa Inu

Toy American Eskimo (See American Eskimo Dog)

Toy Fox Terrier

Toy German Spitz (photo needed)

Toy Manchester Terrier (See Manchester Terrier)

Toy Poodle

Transylvanian Hounds (photo needed)

Treeing Tennessee Brindle

Treeing Walker Coonhound

Tuareg Sloughi (See Azawakh)

Tyroler Bracke (photo needed)

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Valley Bulldog

Victorian Bulldog

Villano de Las Encartaciones

Vizsla

Volpino Italiano (photo needed)

Vucciriscu
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Weimaraner

Welsh Corgi

Welsh Sheepdog (photo needed)

Welsh Springer Spaniel

Welsh Terrier

West Highland White Terrier

West Russian Coursing Hound (photo needed)

West Siberian Laika

Westphalian Dachsbracke (photo needed)

Wetterhoun

Wheaten Terrier (See Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier)

Whippet

White German Shepherd (See American White Shepherd)

Wirehaired Fox Terrier

Wirehaired Pointing Griffon

Wirehaired Vizsla

Wolf Hybred
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Xoloitzcuintle
Yorkipoo

Yorkshire Terrier

Yugoslavian Hounds (photo needed)

 

[LiteRain]

I hope i'm never in your position and I do sympathize with you .I have two small children and a big pup(lab/husky mix) he's almost a year old (the dog) My boys are almost 5 and 6 years old.
Dog obediance in your case ..I believe is not the only thing you need to do.Is the dog used to a crate (cage) ? Get him used to one now! Our dog had his crate set up before we even brought him home.
My boys are never allowed to let him out..EVER !
What you want to have happen is for the dog to love his crate .Try not to let the dog percieve time spent in there as punishment.
Our pup not only loves his crate but goes in there when he wants a break from the kids!

Things to remember ....Your baby cries =dog goes in crate before you respond to the baby,same goes for the phone,the door,or anything that takes your eyes away from the dog and your children at the same time.Everytime and without fail this is what I do.Even if I have to pee!After a short time of doing this it's automatic for me.He's in and out of his cage literally 100 times a day but he's safe and happy and so are my boys .
Our dog also eats right after the boys,never before them. I was told to do this to reinforce the dogs status in our "pack" My boys alternate putting the food in his bowl everyday.
Make a list of any and every what if scenario you can imagine and then take steps to safeguard from them ever happening.
P.S. My boys also thought the dogs crate was a fun toy.....it's not!

 

[5pintshefound]

I hope i'm never in your position and I do sympathize with you .I have two small children and a big pup(lab/husky mix) he's almost a year old (the dog) My boys are almost 5 and 6 years old.
Dog obediance in your case ..I believe is not the only thing you need to do.Is the dog used to a crate (cage) ? Get him used to one now! Our dog had his crate set up before we even brought him home.
My boys are never allowed to let him out..EVER !
What you want to have happen is for the dog to love his crate .Try not to let the dog percieve time spent in there as punishment.
Our pup not only loves his crate but goes in there when he wants a break from the kids!

Things to remember ....Your baby cries =dog goes in crate before you respond to the baby,same goes for the phone,the door,or anything that takes your eyes away from the dog and your children at the same time.Everytime and without fail this is what I do.Even if I have to pee!After a short time of doing this it's automatic for me.He's in and out of his cage literally 100 times a day but he's safe and happy and so are my boys .
Our dog also eats right after the boys,never before them. I was told to do this to reinforce the dogs status in our "pack" My boys alternate putting the food in his bowl everyday.
Make a list of any and every what if scenario you can imagine and then take steps to safeguard from them ever happening.
P.S. My boys also thought the dogs crate was a fun toy.....it's not!

yup hes got a crate, altho, im pretty sure that my husband and i have gone about training him with it the wrong way... he DOES go into his crate at different times during the day, {ie meal times, i put our food on the table, then my husband puts his food in his bowl in the crate} he seems to enjoy being in the crate, but if hes in it too long he starts yippping {never thought an almost 80 lb dog would get a high pitched yip like a chihauhua}... right now, my 4 yr old is watching cartoons, the babys sleeping, and im on the computer, with the dog laying under the chair that im sitting on.
oh, and i completely understand about your kids liking the crate as a toy. it took my 4 yr old about 6 weeks for us to get him to understand that he CAN NOT play in the crate. Does your dog go into the crate to sleep? right now, Buck sleeps under our bed. {yes under, we have a very high sitting bed, and he crawls under it every night}

~5PHF

 

[sunfox]

yup hes got a crate, altho, im pretty sure that my husband and i have gone about training him with it the wrong way... he DOES go into his crate at different times during the day, {ie meal times, i put our food on the table, then my husband puts his food in his bowl in the crate} he seems to enjoy being in the crate, but if hes in it too long he starts yippping {never thought an almost 80 lb dog would get a high pitched yip like a chihauhua}... right now, my 4 yr old is watching cartoons, the babys sleeping, and im on the computer, with the dog laying under the chair that im sitting on.
oh, and i completely understand about your kids liking the crate as a toy. it took my 4 yr old about 6 weeks for us to get him to understand that he CAN NOT play in the crate. Does your dog go into the crate to sleep? right now, Buck sleeps under our bed. {yes under, we have a very high sitting bed, and he crawls under it every night}

~5PHF

A suggestion.. get a Kong toy or something similar, and fill it with peanut butter and freeze it A dog will work at that for hours trying to get every bit of peanut butter out of it. Also, when he's whining, don't let him out... he needs to learn that whining doesn't get him out of the crate, only being quiet does. Reward the good behavior.

For some dogs, even bad attention is still attention, so just ignore his whining, or tell him to hush one time, then ignore him until he does. As soon as he's quiet, tell him good boy and feed him a cookie or something in his crate, don't let him out immediately, or he'll think the crate is something to escape.

Having toys to play with helps a lot with crate boredom, and might help him to be calmer in his crate.

 

[LiteRain]

^^^^^^ What sunfox said! Yes he sleeps in his crate at night .He's a huge HUGE chewer!! Without the crate I am positive he'd eat the entire couch in an hour ! (tiny highjack for help) LOL He looks for something to chew within 5 seconds of having freedom and he has tons of toys.
He loves his KONG!! One of the smartest toys i've seen ever! You could also spread cheez-whiz if you run out of peanut butter,or jam a couple of dog biscuits in there also.
Ignoring him when he whines in his cage is hard to do but you must do it or he will never stop.Our pup did that a few times but each time he got no response he gave up quicker .

I'm not an animal expert but I personally don't like the idea of feedings in a cage(meals) rewards yes of course but I like to be able to touch my dog at every meal he has to discourage him becoming dominant with his food or bowl.
Keep in mind you want your dog to see your son in positive situations as much as possible so holding his hand and letting him fill the toy while the dog watches is one step towards that

 

[LiteRain]

Here's a pic of our big boy

 

[sunfox]

LiteRain

Your pup is gorgeous What a pretty boy. He looks very sweet... and don't worry.. they do grow out of that chewing thing eventually. (It took my dobe two years!) If he's really bad, try spreading some Bitter Orange on the things he really prefers... but use a glove to put it on there, it's seriously foul stuff.

Feeding in a crate is fine as long as they don't become crate aggressive due to having their food in there. My dogs never know where they're eating, in crate, outside, in the kitchen, in the family room.. it prevents them from getting territorial over one particular spot, and when you have three territorial herding breed dogs, that's important.

 

[5pintshefound]

oohh thank you both!!! those are some awesome ideas... Buck has a Kong.. and we do the peanut butter with him {altho not frozen.. will have to try that}

Sunfox--- the frustrating part, is its really hard to listen to him whine and 'chirp'.... also, cant do to much with it at night, as we're in a duplex and im always afraid that hes goign to keep the neighbors awake..

Literain.. the idea of having my kiddo help fill the kong & food, will definately have to start doing that...

i just want to thank you both, as this was what i was hoping to get.. ideas of stuff that we were doing wrong, or just other ways to do things... ive talked to a few dog trainers, and theyve all agreed that obedience training will help calm down buck.. the bad thing si that there isnt time to do it here, because we're going to be getting out of housing to quick, so, im getting him into a class as soon as i get to pa... i am happy to be able to tell you all that Kyle and Buck played together this afternoon, and had no problems {yes i was there the ENTIRE TIME} and i ddnt let kyle play with buck till after one of hte babys feedings, so the baby was asleep and i could give the 2 of them my undivided attention.

also, heres a pic of buck... {and my husbands butt..LOL}
oh, and Literain, that is a GORGEOUS! dog!

~5PHF

 

[5pintshefound]

oh, and a note about the bitter orange stuff.. we got some Bitrex from walmart, and its awesome... but, yup seriously foul is definately a good way to describe it!!! lol, the first time i ever sprayed it, some flash from the spray came back and hit me in the face, {i was way to close, i had squatted down to spray a stair step, so i suggest holding it at arms length, LOL} and i was tasting bitrex for an hour afterwards...

when we first moved in to our house, a friend asked if she could put a sectional sofa in the basement, and i told her that i could keep them, but! i couldnt promise that buck wouldnt mess with them {we didnt have the crate at that point, so we put buck in the basement whenever we left the house} and well, we went to the commisary theone afternoon, and were gone about an hour, and when we came back the entire sectional was completely shredded. luckily my friend had gotten the sectional for free and wasnt heartbroken that it was destroyed.

 

[sunfox]

oohh thank you both!!! those are some awesome ideas... Buck has a Kong.. and we do the peanut butter with him {altho not frozen.. will have to try that}

Sunfox--- the frustrating part, is its really hard to listen to him whine and 'chirp'.... also, cant do to much with it at night, as we're in a duplex and im always afraid that hes goign to keep the neighbors awake..

Literain.. the idea of having my kiddo help fill the kong & food, will definately have to start doing that...

i just want to thank you both, as this was what i was hoping to get.. ideas of stuff that we were doing wrong, or just other ways to do things... ive talked to a few dog trainers, and theyve all agreed that obedience training will help calm down buck.. the bad thing si that there isnt time to do it here, because we're going to be getting out of housing to quick, so, im getting him into a class as soon as i get to pa... i am happy to be able to tell you all that Kyle and Buck played together this afternoon, and had no problems {yes i was there the ENTIRE TIME} and i ddnt let kyle play with buck till after one of hte babys feedings, so the baby was asleep and i could give the 2 of them my undivided attention.

also, heres a pic of buck... {and my husbands butt..LOL}
oh, and Literain, that is a GORGEOUS! dog!

~5PHF

Buck is lovely.. beautiful color, and what a sweet face.

I'm glad to hear things are looking up... I know how hard it is to be faced with finding a new home for a beloved pet. Be vigilant, and work to improve both the dog and the kidlet's attitudes about each other, and things may just work out fine.

I can sympathize with the whining problems.. my shepherd was prone to that when we first crated him. One suggestion if he's incorrigible about it is to look into a citronella spray collar.. they carry them at Petsmart and Petco for around $40, I believe. If the dog whines/barks too much, the collar emits a little spray of citronella beneath the chin... startles the dog, and usually helps to break the behavior. (Plus eliminates that stinky dog smell ) Perhaps something like that may help you.

Best of luck with your move, and I hope things work out for the best.