Does Bush have a cock?
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Congratulations, pp, you've reached a new low.
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p_p_man said:Just thought I'd join in the most popular thread topic for tonight...
Not this bush! I wish it did though...oops..wrong bush, eh?
Heh.
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Mischka said:I love how an elected official not connected with the prosection of crimes - or election of the option of the death penalty - gets all the credit for the outcome of capital trials.
That's because he actively seeks it!
Personally I think he's cockless...
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Mischka said:I love how an elected official not connected with the prosection of crimes - or election of the option of the death penalty - gets all the credit for the outcome of capital trials.
I'm biast in the death penality matter. I'm one of the few states with out any form of death penality. I find the whole thing wrong, it goes agains what I have been taught for the past eighteen years of my life, and that is "two wrongs do not make a right".
Killing someone in the first place is just wrong, but going around and killing a killer gets nothing wrong. Eye-for-an-eye justice is stupid in my oppenion.
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Mischka said:I love how an elected official not connected with the prosection of crimes - or election of the option of the death penalty - gets all the credit for the outcome of capital trials.
True. True. But then I didn't see him leading any uprising against his state's wholesale human slaughter either. As Governor of the state he certainly was in a position to have a major impact.
The fact is, he chose not to speak out against the death penalty, and in failing to do so, condoned it.
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Whatever your opinion of the death penalty, the governor of Texas plays a minimal (or even non-existent) role in the process. The DA's office elects to pursue the death penalty as an option for punishment and the jury hands down the sentence. The death penalty is rarely pursued (I think the number is around five percent of all first degree murder convictions). The governor has the option to pardon any convict, including death row inmates.
I don't know where you get your facts from, p_p, but Bush did no more to garner the image than any previous governor. The death penalty is still part of Texas, and as the figurehead of the state, of course the governor is associated with the practice. Though it's folly to hold any governor directly responsible for the practice. Texas governors have practically no power. The Lieutenant Governors run the show around here.
I don't know where you get your facts from, p_p, but Bush did no more to garner the image than any previous governor. The death penalty is still part of Texas, and as the figurehead of the state, of course the governor is associated with the practice. Though it's folly to hold any governor directly responsible for the practice. Texas governors have practically no power. The Lieutenant Governors run the show around here.
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Mischka said:I love how an elected official not connected with the prosection of crimes - or election of the option of the death penalty - gets all the credit for the outcome of capital trials.
Well, Governors do have the power to pardon before each and every scheduled execution during their tenure, but I'm sure you know the political implications pardoning convicted murderers has in Texas (and America as a whole, really). Bush would have effectively sacrificed his Presidential aspirations.
But I agree with you. Bush is given far too much credit/blame for executions. The executions were a product of the the popularity of capital punishment among the public and the Texas criminal justice system. Whatever Bush's faults, he get a bad rap for the executions.
P.S. For PPman: your allotment of inane threads about Bush is up. Time for bed.
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TimothyR said:
Fact is, Bush is in favor of the death penalty, when appropriate. He has said so publicly many times. SO AM I! and over 80% of the population of Texas.
Mishka is right (of course), Bush couldn't have done much about it if he wanted to; but were he oposed to the death penalty, he wouldn't have had a chance in hell of ever being elected in Texas. Truth is, the same thing pretty much applies to being elected to our only nationally elected office.
Just a thought.... Some of us see the only "wholesale human slaughter" (your words) as having been the crimes committed by those who received the death penalty. Some of us view the death penalty as a legitimate form of justice imposed by society (the majority) on the very worst criminals.
In my short time on this board, there have been several threads debating the death penalty. Both sides have defendable positions, and I'm not ready tonight to argue the issue in its entirety. If you want to see the views of many of us, just do a quick search.
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Hey Texan!
I have lived in Arizona and Florida, and it always pissed me off that you Texans
always won in the state-sponsored croaking of human sewerage. AZ and Fl tried, but always came up short in the stats.
Did you notice that the most adamant opponents of the death penalty seem to be from merry old england? And that neither wants Charlie for a roommate?
I have lived in Arizona and Florida, and it always pissed me off that you Texans
always won in the state-sponsored croaking of human sewerage. AZ and Fl tried, but always came up short in the stats.
Did you notice that the most adamant opponents of the death penalty seem to be from merry old england? And that neither wants Charlie for a roommate?
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Mischka & Lavender: I can't myself think of ANY politician on any level talking against the death penalty. I think that when we've had big cases from time to time some have spoken in favor of pardons. Yet, there has never been a large, well organized and well publicized movement against the death penalty here.
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I'm nodding my head to you, Texan. I'm a bit too mellow for the debate myself right now. I didn't mean to offend the folks of Texas. Here in Illinois we have a moratorium against the death penalty because genetic testing has proven the fallibility of our legal system to the point that our Governor doesn't feel right about the possibility of executing an innocent person.
But you're in Texas and I'm in Illinois, and the great thing about this country of ours is that our differences coexist mostly peacefully and we each have the right to air our views.
The "wholesale human slaughter" crack was just for effect and out of line. I apologize for that.
But Krankar, really, there's a whole LOT of ground between the death penalty and having Manson living in my neighborhood. Is there room for even a single shade of gray in your reality?
But you're in Texas and I'm in Illinois, and the great thing about this country of ours is that our differences coexist mostly peacefully and we each have the right to air our views.
The "wholesale human slaughter" crack was just for effect and out of line. I apologize for that.
But Krankar, really, there's a whole LOT of ground between the death penalty and having Manson living in my neighborhood. Is there room for even a single shade of gray in your reality?
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Mischka said:
Hahahaha.... Miscka.... I know a fair number of the Republican party folks in the state.... and I can't think of ANYONE in elected office or in either party's power structure who is openly against the death penalty. Even Sheila Jackson Lee (arguably, Texas' most liberal Democrat) is for the death penalty.
If you are against the death penalty in Texas.... you might as well run on the Green Party ticket, because you're going to get about as many votes as Nader did.
