Does American Politcs affect you?

[Lord DragonsWing]

I love discussing politics and listening to everyone's opinion. I'm in the states and would love to learn how American politics affects you. Are we overbearing? Should we be more aggressive at times? Does our policy's affect your leaders?
When comments are posted by others on the various threads, I've noticed most of them are not from the US. So express your opinion.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

I love discussing politics and listening to everyone's opinion. I'm in the states and would love to learn how American politics affects you. Are we overbearing? Should we be more aggressive at times? Does our policy's affect your leaders?
When comments are posted by others on the various threads, I've noticed most of them are not from the US. So express your opinion.

It tends to send a lot of confused people down here.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

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It tends to send a lot of confused people down here.

What do you mean by sending alot of confused people down here? South of the border?

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

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What do you mean by sending alot of confused people down here? South of the border?

I meant a place more subterranean. Though it's true my mortal form does live fairly close to the border.

 

[minsue]

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I meant a place more subterranean. Though it's true my mortal form does live fairly close to the border.

I thought that was you!

 

[Liar]

I love discussing politics and listening to everyone's opinion. I'm in the states and would love to learn how American politics affects you. Are we overbearing? Should we be more aggressive at times? Does our policy's affect your leaders?
When comments are posted by others on the various threads, I've noticed most of them are not from the US. So express your opinion.

It's a big-ass country. It has a big-ass army, and big-ass financial interrests all over the world, and you run by tradition, a loud, big-ass, offensive (not nessecarily a bad thing, just meaning that you are prone to meddle and make impact, and preferrably in the limelight) foreign policy.

So yeah of course, you affect stuff.

Should you do that more or less? Well, affecting the right stuff would be a good start.

#L

 

[psychocatblah]

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I meant a place more subterranean. Though it's true my mortal form does live fairly close to the border.

*giggle snort*

Hell or Mexico?

Although I have to admit that the difference between the two on certain days in August, at least temperature wise, would likely be negligible.

 

[Lisa Denton]

I think politics affect us all. I love listenin to em go on and on and on about what they are gonna do for lil ol me. And of course they are soooo honest. I also think we should all vote, but they never have the selection "kill em all - let God sort em out."


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[Lucifer_Carroll]

I think politics affect us all. I love listenin to em go on and on and on about what they are gonna do for lil ol me. And of course they are soooo honest. I also think we should all vote, but they never have the selection "kill em all - let God sort em out."

And I thought I was jaded about politics.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

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I thought that was you!

You know it babe.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

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*giggle snort*

Hell or Mexico?

Although I have to admit that the difference between the two on certain days in August, at least temperature wise, would likely be negligible.

I'm not hearing much Spanish and the water is safer to drink though noticeably non-existant anywhere but in my pad. So I'd probably go with Mexico...I mean Hell. I said Hell. No one heard me say Mexico. Love the place, visit all the time...no, on second thought, never been there. Never had a need, nope, not me. I deny it all. Or is that deny it all?

 

[doormouse]

Oh Wise Monkey, please tell me do
You can't tell Your drinking water from that of Your loo?
I can't understand Your strange desire
You colour the flush in a blue sapphire

Oh Wise Monkey, please tell me true
You spell the word colour minus the U?
Pronounce the word, then look up Hue
In honoUr, in favoUr and in coloUr too

Oh Wise Monkey, please tell me right
You watch a game of men in tights?
With shoulder pads and helmets hugging each other bums
Queens come to mind... just do Your sums

Oh Wise Monkey, please tell me now
You like the sound of a cat's meow?
The way you say y'all sounding like a cat yowling
You step on it's tail to hear it howling?

Oh Wise Monkey, please tell me why
It is when I look into the night sky
I see a cross and a small shiny star
Across the vast oceans You are so far

Oh Wise Monkey, regardless Your ways
The months together have felt like mere days
My love for You will never fail
Especially if I can hump your tail

Sorry, couldn't resist LOL ;-)

 

[Guest]

I love discussing politics and listening to everyone's opinion. I'm in the states and would love to learn how American politics affects you. Are we overbearing? Should we be more aggressive at times? Does our policy's affect your leaders?
When comments are posted by others on the various threads, I've noticed most of them are not from the US. So express your opinion.

Yep, cos our leader is often seen as your leader's puppet. (No wonder he always has that cheesy grin on his face).

Sorry, I'm not in the mood to be serious.

Lou

 

[oggbashan]

US politics does affect us because of the USA's influence in the world.

Whether we understand it? Most people in the UK do not really understand their own political system so it expecting a lot to understand the US's system as well.

There is only one constant in the UK's relationship with the US. Whatever party is in power here; whatever President or party is in power in the US; the UK is the USA's ally and friend. it is usually, but not always, reciprocated.

As friends we often say things, in private, that other nations might only say in a confrontational way in public. Our PM (whichever PM) is more likely to say 'Wouldn't it be better if...' or 'Have you considered...' instead of 'You are wrong'.

We stay out of US internal politics. We wish the US would do the same for us because for example in Northern Ireland US interference has often been seen to be crude and unhelpful with little understanding of the delicate balance required to move the peace process forward.

What is very worrying is the lack of news inside the US about countries beyond its borders. We know about the US presidential campaign. How many US citizens know about the elections in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim state and a democracy? How will the result affect the balance of power in SE Asia? How will it affect the war against terrorism? Do many US citizens even know where Indonesia is?

The newspaper I read every day has as much coverage of news beyond the UK as it has of news within the UK. Is that true where you live?

Og

 

[minsue]

US politics does affect us because of the USA's influence in the world.

Whether we understand it? Most people in the UK do not really understand their own political system so it expecting a lot to understand the US's system as well.

There is only one constant in the UK's relationship with the US. Whatever party is in power here; whatever President or party is in power in the US; the UK is the USA's ally and friend. it is usually, but not always, reciprocated.

As friends we often say things, in private, that other nations might only say in a confrontational way in public. Our PM (whichever PM) is more likely to say 'Wouldn't it be better if...' or 'Have you considered...' instead of 'You are wrong'.

We stay out of US internal politics. We wish the US would do the same for us because for example in Northern Ireland US interference has often been seen to be crude and unhelpful with little understanding of the delicate balance required to move the peace process forward.

What is very worrying is the lack of news inside the US about countries beyond its borders. We know about the US presidential campaign. How many US citizens know about the elections in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim state and a democracy? How will the result affect the balance of power in SE Asia? How will it affect the war against terrorism? Do many US citizens even know where Indonesia is?

The newspaper I read every day has as much coverage of news beyond the UK as it has of news within the UK. Is that true where you live?

Og

Well said. Sadly, the lack of international news in the US is due to the lack of interest for such news. The population as a whole still seems to believe that what goes on beyond our borders has no meaning for their own lives. This is why no one cared about the Taliban until September, 2001. This is why genocide is allowed to go on unfettered, aside from some diplomatic scolding, unless it would be politically advantageous to call it into the public eye.

Yes, I knew about the elections in Indonesia, but I honestly know little about the political goings on outside the US. And, no, my newspaper carries little international news.

 

[doormouse]

LDW told me the US don't have many International news reports, to which my reaction was the usual pffft thinking he was joking.

Sure, our news coverage is mostly of Aussie issues, but we have a great deal of International headlines also.

I like hearing what's going on outside the square I'm living. ;-)

 

[cloudy]

Sad, but true - the international section in the newspaper is trifling, at best.

Our sheer size, and our sometimes agressiveness makes me sure that what goes on here has an impact in other countries. I hate that it's so hard for those of us that are interested to learn about the rest of the world.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Yes, politics affects us, each and every one of us, and unfortunately there is little as individuals we can do any more to have any real impact in the process since we no longer have a true democratic say in the elections...is there any doubt that ALL politicians running for ALL federal offices are already bought and paid for by big corporate interests long before the day we cast our ballots.

Our federally elected officials too often allow political correctness to negatively impact American citizens on a daily basis.

Personally I could care less about hurting Mexico's feelings, it is time to ship back EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN currently hiding out inside the borders of our nation. Sure that sounds harsh, but unfortunately, I have to deal with the reality of them being illegally here on a daily basis. Three houses in my area have been purchased by absentee landlords and turned into rentals that amount to little more than over populated boarding houses for illegal aliens.

Their children ride school buses, get educated in our schools, and in many cases are getting other services paid for with American tax dollars. In the meantime, since they ALL work under the table they are in no way contributing to the system they are over burdening. So, they negatively impact property values, they use various social services while contributing nothing back, and from casual observance seem bent on giving birth to as many children as they humanly can manage. Mean while, politicians in Washington only want to worry about being politically correct, and apeasing a group of people (the SPanish population) in the hopes of winning over that particular voting block....so yes, we ARE AFFECTED. As a side note...we as a nation speak English, and it seems to me that it is time we stop coddling to others by printing forms and providing staff fluent on other languages. If you are not willing to learn to speak, read and write the lanquage of America, then LEAVE.

Do politics affect us...sure, look at Social Security, and the very real reality that the SELFISH interests and lobbying ability of the old people currently on Social Security are seeing the current working peoples contributions to that system being wrongfully used to support people who did not have enough foresight to save enough to take care of their own old age....sure that may sound harsh, but every time a serious attempt has been made to address both Social Security and Medicaid/medicare, the special interest lobbyist for the OLDER GENERATION have steadfastly said DO NOT CUT OUR BENEFITS. That mindset and political stand has created a situation where those of us not yet at a point of collecting benefits are being put into a situation of having to make a far greater sacrifice of our own benefits because of this generation of senior citizens selfish, self centered, its all about me greed.

Do politics affect us...ask all the US Soldiers who have died fighting Bush's Follie in Iraq that question....slice the cake any way you want to, the reality is that Bush and his legions lied and fabricated truths to get us into a war that was, is and shall continue to be a BIG MISTAKE that will cost each of us dearly for decades to come.

Do politics affect us? Sure, ask all those Americans who have watched George Bush and Cheney outsizing their jobs if politics affects them. Again, at what cost political correctness....should we really give a flying fork what China thinks about us, should we really care what EURO thinks when like China they want trade policies stacked in their favor? Oh sure, Bush claims that the economy is on the mend, and tells us to look at all the jobs that are suddenly being created....sure, outsize 10,000 jobs that pay a living wage, then replace them with 20,000 jobs flipping burgers or working at Walmart and claim you are doing a good job! HELLO, WAKE UP AMERICA AND TAKE A LOOK. IT IS TIME TO TAKE BACK OUR NATION.

In parting....I live in NY....think it is about time we pull the plug on the UN and ask them to find alternative nation to place their headquarters in, and Mayor Bloomberg, stopping trying to get almost 700 Million dollars to build a new stadium while you are asking every union in the city to work for less money and fewer benefits.

Shall

 

[cloudy]

Can we say "bigot" boys and girls?

I'm sorry, your rant sounds like something that would have been popular a hundred years ago.

BTW - I take it you are of European descent, yes? Did you ever think that your ancestors came here the same way the immigrants you rant against did?

Sheesh.....okay, we'll have it your way....the only ones left here will be my people.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Cloudy:

So, now I am a bigot....LOL

There is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between someone who legally immigrates to America or any other nation, and someone who breaks the laws and illegally enters our borders. I specifically said to DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, be they Mexican, Korean, Arabian or any other ethnic or national origin. Like it or not, it is unfair for other nations, or people from those nations to think our borders should be completely open with no limits on the number of people we should absorb. Do some homework, and you will find EVERY OTHER NATION on this planet has LIMITS on who can immigrate into their country, and anyone who illegally enters into their nation is subject to deportation. Yet, using Mexico as a prime example, they as a nation get very testy when the subject of deporting their citizens back to their country is brought up....WHO CARES! If they want to live and work in America, let them FOLLOW THE RULES!

One of the big arguements we hear often in New York, is that the illegal immigrants do the work that none of us WANT TO DO. Things such as lawn care, general contracting and other supposed menial skill areas are sited. In fact, that is a red herring of an arguement. The very real reality of the situation is that those illegal immigrants who are paying NO TAXES, and living 30 to a house (which is illegal and breaks every zoning law practically on the books) bring a pricing structure to particular labor areas that legal residents simply cannot afford to compete against. Which means, if those illegal immigrants were not here, were not offering their services at discounted prices, then we would in fact create more work for those legally here. Basic law of supply and demand would mean the cost of certain services would go up due to a smaller labor pool offering certain services, which would mean the average American worker could charge a fair and equitable price that allowed them to make a decent living wage.

So, stop with the inflammatory tossing around of the bigot/race card and face reality.

Shall

 

[cloudy]

Cloudy:

So, now I am a bigot....LOL

There is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between someone who legally immigrates to America or any other nation, and someone who breaks the laws and illegally enters our borders. I specifically said to DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, be they Mexican, Korean, Arabian or any other ethnic or national origin. Like it or not, it is unfair for other nations, or people from those nations to think our borders should be completely open with no limits on the number of people we should absorb. Do some homework, and you will find EVERY OTHER NATION on this planet has LIMITS on who can immigrate into their country, and anyone who illegally enters into their nation is subject to deportation. Yet, using Mexico as a prime example, they as a nation get very testy when the subject of deporting their citizens back to their country is brought up....WHO CARES! If they want to live and work in America, let them FOLLOW THE RULES!

One of the big arguements we hear often in New York, is that the illegal immigrants do the work that none of us WANT TO DO. Things such as lawn care, general contracting and other supposed menial skill areas are sited. In fact, that is a red herring of an arguement. The very real reality of the situation is that those illegal immigrants who are paying NO TAXES, and living 30 to a house (which is illegal and breaks every zoning law practically on the books) bring a pricing structure to particular labor areas that legal residents simply cannot afford to compete against. Which means, if those illegal immigrants were not here, were not offering their services at discounted prices, then we would in fact create more work for those legally here. Basic law of supply and demand would mean the cost of certain services would go up due to a smaller labor pool offering certain services, which would mean the average American worker could charge a fair and equitable price that allowed them to make a decent living wage.

So, stop with the inflammatory tossing around of the bigot/race card and face reality.

Shall

Race card - LMAO!!!!

Do your homework, sweetie. I'm not being inflammatory, just stating reality, in your words.

Your thinking that they take jobs away from "decent, hard-working Americans" is a nice way to think, but all that happens is those companies take the jobs elsewhere, where they can pay less wages than they do here.

I'm all for them immigrating legally, don't get me wrong. However, your stereotyping of "them" living 30 people to a dwelling, and "taking jobs from Americans" just makes the bigot label big and red in my mind, as does your statements about "them" bringing down property values.

Race card.....whatever. What term would you have used to flame me for my opinion if I hadn't mentioned anything about what race I am, hmmm?

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Cloudy:

Being prejudiced, being bigoted requires forming opinions without any thought or weight given to real facts.

Well, real facts:

Right now, a group of us are working through the proper channels to close down four houses that amount to 30 to a house boarding houses for illegals. Some of the very real problems this creates in a residential neighborhood:

1. Parking...with two cars to a house, there is more than adequate parking for those owning houses in our area. Problem is, that these four houses and the people in them have 6,7,8 or more cars belonging to the people inside. So, ten houses on a block, 20 cars and our community has no problem with parking. Now, factor in two houses that are functioning illegally as boarding houses and the say 14 cars represented by the people inside, and you have a SERIOUS shortage of parking.

2. Care to look at basic health issues and concerns? With some 30 people living in the house two doors down from me when said house according to the zoning laws can hold no more than 7, there is a constant rat and cockroach problem with said property. Now, the problem is that coachroachs and rats do not simply stay on that property. Two weeks ago it cost me $150 dollars to have a dead rat that had wondered over here removed from my pool (pool had to be cleaned and chemical levels brought back into spect.). I have a pest control company that I pay BIG money to on a monthly basis....not because I have pest problems, but because I have to hold that property's pests at bay.

3. Our community in a sub-burb of New York is having a serious problem right now with the costs of taking care of illegals. We just had to vote on an emergency school levy to handle the rising costs of the influx of children from these families into our education system. Can you give me a good reason why I am now paying an extra 700 a year on top of what I was already paying in school taxes to send children of illegal aliens to school? I have no kids, yet am being asked to pay for educating the children of someone that is making NO CONTRIBUTION whatsoever to the costs of educating their own children?

You want reality....my house is worth around 500K here. If my house were located on a block that did not have one of these houses in it, it would be worth almost 700K.

Jobs....in my area, most of the illegals seem to work in three primary areas. House cleaning services, lawn care and general contracting and home repair. The very real fact is that many small legal American business men and women are being driven out of business in these areas by illegal immigrants who do not have to worry about certain things legal businesses do, such as proper insurance, licensing fees, taxes! The jobs created in repairing homes are not jobs that are subject to being shipped overseas. So, wanting to ignore the very real reality that illegal immigrants are costing legal Americans jobs is fool hardy.

Shall

 

[cloudy]

Cloudy:

Being prejudiced, being bigoted requires forming opinions without any thought or weight given to real facts.

Well, real facts:

Right now, a group of us are working through the proper channels to close down four houses that amount to 30 to a house boarding houses for illegals. Some of the very real problems this creates in a residential neighborhood:

1. Parking...with two cars to a house, there is more than adequate parking for those owning houses in our area. Problem is, that these four houses and the people in them have 6,7,8 or more cars belonging to the people inside. So, ten houses on a block, 20 cars and our community has no problem with parking. Now, factor in two houses that are functioning illegally as boarding houses and the say 14 cars represented by the people inside, and you have a SERIOUS shortage of parking.

2. Care to look at basic health issues and concerns? With some 30 people living in the house two doors down from me when said house according to the zoning laws can hold no more than 7, there is a constant rat and cockroach problem with said property. Now, the problem is that coachroachs and rats do not simply stay on that property. Two weeks ago it cost me $150 dollars to have a dead rat that had wondered over here removed from my pool (pool had to be cleaned and chemical levels brought back into spect.). I have a pest control company that I pay BIG money to on a monthly basis....not because I have pest problems, but because I have to hold that property's pests at bay.

3. Our community in a sub-burb of New York is having a serious problem right now with the costs of taking care of illegals. We just had to vote on an emergency school levy to handle the rising costs of the influx of children from these families into our education system. Can you give me a good reason why I am now paying an extra 700 a year on top of what I was already paying in school taxes to send children of illegal aliens to school? I have no kids, yet am being asked to pay for educating the children of someone that is making NO CONTRIBUTION whatsoever to the costs of educating their own children?

You want reality....my house is worth around 500K here. If my house were located on a block that did not have one of these houses in it, it would be worth almost 700K.

Jobs....in my area, most of the illegals seem to work in three primary areas. House cleaning services, lawn care and general contracting and home repair. The very real fact is that many small legal American business men and women are being driven out of business in these areas by illegal immigrants who do not have to worry about certain things legal businesses do, such as proper insurance, licensing fees, taxes! The jobs created in repairing homes are not jobs that are subject to being shipped overseas. So, wanting to ignore the very real reality that illegal immigrants are costing legal Americans jobs is fool hardy.

Shall

Okay, real facts......

When did your grandparents, great-grandparents come to this country? How did they live? What kind of jobs did they have?

I'm sorry, we may just have to disagree on this, but I have to think they (or at least some of them) were living under some of the same conditions, and doing the same type of jobs that those you deplore so loudly are doing now.

Would you be paying less taxes if those immigrants weren't here? Probably not...government always finds a reason to raise taxes, however small.

I live in a very rural area, yet we have many, many hispanic immigrants here. On the whole, I've found them to be much like "us" *gasp* They're people, humans, and like the rest of us, trying to scrape a living and do the best that they can. Unfortunately, there are always people who distrust them, call them "dirty", and try their best to see them pushed out of where they are to someplace deemed more suitable for "them."

Bigotry is drawing the line between us and "them," and you have done that rather well.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Us and them.....no where I have draw a line between us and them...what I have done, was stated rather firmly that those who are in this country ILLEGALLY should be deported. You seem to want to ignore that very important part of my arguements. My great grand parents on my fathers side came here LEGALLY, and my mothers family on her fathers side came here LEGALLY from Holland, while her mother's side of the family in part is native American...none of that is of any real importance, nor germane to the conversation at hand, as my family followed the rules and laws of America in coming here. Illegals cannot and never will be able to maket that claim regardless of their ethinic origins.

Are some of illegals leaving in my community nice people...sure. ARe some of their children cute as a button...sure.

BUT, the reality of life is, that their being here in our country in our state, and in my community comes with a VERY REAL AND HIGH COST that I do not feel we as Legal American citizens should have to pay. I got news for you, if I were to immigrate to Japan for instance, I would have a VERY HARD TIME surviving if I did not bother to learn their lanquage, the customs, and work diligently to assimulate into their way of life. Most illegals that are in America make little if any effort to assimulate, and even fewer efforts to obey our laws.

 

[cloudy]

That's Japan, this is the U.S. - like comparing apples and oranges.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.