Docile & Stupid

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495&in_page_id=1879

The thing you dont know is what your children will do with their lives. Your kid might be the one who brings peace to the planet, or discovers some miraculous process that cures cancer, or whatever.

 

[Vermilion]

The thing is that some women just don;t want to have children, and that's fine. These two are trying to justify their personal decision by saying they're doing it to 'save the environment' but like one commentator says at the bottom of the article - why go on long-haul flights if you're that committed to saving the planet?


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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

VERMILION

Exactly!

I drive small, fuel efficient cars. My home is insulated so well its almost suffocating. I strive for efficiency.

It's okay not to have children. But these folks seem to want a prize or medal for a personal decision.

 

[ishtat]

Their decision is not contemptible but their claim of a superior morality definitely is.

 

[oggbashan]

Taken to the ultimate -

The best way to reduce one's carbon footprint is to commit suicide by burying oneself in a compost heap.

Og

 

[amicus]

Fucking Christ, JBJ. did you have to paste that link here? That is something I have refrained from doing as I am somewhat sensitive and felt that subject was cruel and inhuman punishment.

I copied and sent the link to a 18 year old young lady that I have followed since she was eleven, a 176 IQ bi-polar schizophrenic brat who wrote genius level poetry and prose and is now in an art institute and a vegan and has a similar mindset.

Shit.

From the few responses thus far, I see they don't fucking understand what you said and why you posted that.

Let me see if I can put it in blunt understandable terms. There is no population crisis on earth, none. There is no environmental crisis either, at any level, no over pollution, no scarcity of fuels and energy, no shortages of resources with which to provide for a greater population; none, absolutely none of the parameters that formed that young woman's life are true or real, but all political propaganda that has altered her perception of life and her life in particular.

It is a silly fucking environmental cult, like the 900 people who committed suicide, James Jones or some stupid fucking thing, religious assholes who wait for deliverance and really get it in the ass (filmology), or are sacrificed as witches and burned at the stake.

These poor assholes eating bland tofu and tofurkey and the whole be kind to animals fucking thing and save the whales fucking thing, and don't eat meat fucking thing when mankind is omniverous by nature, a total rejection of our humanity for what? Some fucking left wing, liberal, socialist concept of what? They can't even fucking define what they see the future as being.

Sorry, but this really pisses me off, to read this really stupid cunt sterilize her life for the advocacy of Pure and the Usual Suspects; I feel I should be able to do more to root out the evil that pervades...


How fucking stupid can they really be?

An Irritated Amicus....

 

[oggbashan]

I agree with Amicus and James.

The subjects of the article are either brainwashed or/and stupid.

Og

 

[amicus]

OG, I had no idea. Good to hear from you again.

Amicus..

 

[Vermilion]

<faints with shock>

I agree with Amicus and JamesB. The stupidity of these women must be a universally acknowledged fact. A fact, not an opinion.

I'm going to have a hot drink and recover in the Isolated Blurt.

 

[Liar]

"At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet"."

Well, in a way she does. She protects the planet from her kids, who'd risk ending up really destructive if raised and taught values by a yahoo like her.

 

[amicus]

You'll be all right, take amicus twice, oops, take two amicus and call me in the morning...grins...must have been a real shock...



the original undiluted amicus veritas....

 

[amicus]

"At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet"."

Well, in a way she does. She protects the planet from her kids, who'd risk ending up really destructive if raised and taught values by a yahoo like her.

~~~

God almighty Liar, if you see that why don't you get the rest of it? It all fits, it really does, every thing I say.

Amicus....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Dont get me wrong, I'm a conservationist who loves nature. But I was an engineer for many years and and confident we can solve all of our current problems with a minimal amount of fuss & bother, and have a significantly larger pool of green space-habitat with better organization of commercial & residential space.

Where I live we're plagued with several expensive problems. Land is expensive; home insurance is expensive; roads are congested and expensive to build; potable water is scarce; and taxes are out of control.

You solve all the problems by consolidating people, commerce, etc. in square mile size complexes of multiple levels. Recreation at the very top, transportation on the bottom-level. Connect the complexes with mono-rail and limited access roads. Think of Disney World.

This area was once a large agricultural region. Now houses are built on the fertile soil.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Such thinking is why Liberals are doomed.

I read somewhere that Roe vs Wade has hurt Democrats significantly more than Republicans, because Dems are killing-off their supply of supporters.

 

[Liar]

God almighty Liar, if you see that why don't you get the rest of it? It all fits, it really does, every thing I say.

Amicus....

You really want me to answer that?

Asking first because I'm too hung over to discern if you're just posing or sincerly want to know.

 

[amicus]

AMICUS

Dont get me wrong, I'm a conservationist who loves nature. But I was an engineer for many years and and confident we can solve all of our current problems with a minimal amount of fuss & bother, and have a significantly larger pool of green space-habitat with better organization of commercial & residential space.

Where I live we're plagued with several expensive problems. Land is expensive; home insurance is expensive; roads are congested and expensive to build; potable water is scarce; and taxes are out of control.

You solve all the problems by consolidating people, commerce, etc. in square mile size complexes of multiple levels. Recreation at the very top, transportation on the bottom-level. Connect the complexes with mono-rail and limited access roads. Think of Disney World.

This area was once a large agricultural region. Now houses are built on the fertile soil.

~~~

JBJ...At the risk of alienating a quasi supportive adherent to rationality, I venture forth to suggest, that as a recent Carter Democrat convert to reality, there may be a few aspects of a free market you have overlooked.

Even the Soviets recognized that vertical development was preferable to a sprawled out commune. They housed 10,000 people in a space that only accommodated a few previously.

Were it not for ecological pervents who value wetlands over human habitat; were it not for building codes crafted to suit union labor and not modern progress, were it not government owned land and resources that compete with the private market, conservation would be a personal and private affair and not a communal one.

The problems you describe, where you live, are not created by the expansion of humanity, rather by the limitations placed on growth and innovation by those who wish to 'conserve' the past as it was. One cannot live in the past, things change, time passes and only human freedom to experiment and innovate can solve the 'problems' you point out.

I see the point you present and I do not debate that an increasing population requires changes and that land exists in limited and finite quantity. But trust me when I say that A is A, the market place will resolve the issues you face if you only permit it to function freely.

Amicus...

 

[emap]

Ami you bad bad boy, your not funny, though mostly right.

Except for the environment bit, that is seriously going to hell in a handbasket, not as bad as they are saying but still bad. Visit Los Angeles sometime, you will understand, one peek at that brown sky, or one rust colored morning rising sun and you will want to destroy every single internal combustion engine vehicle made.

Anyway, the reasons for not having a child are idiotic yep, but being 'green' is the new 'IN' thing so of course every news agency is racing to find people or things that are 'green.' Just wait, next month it will be some other thing and the whole green crap will go away and most everyone won't give a rats ass again.

OK I was going to walk away, but I just can't help it, creating more carbon is a good thing, plants feed on that and make oxygen which we all need and love. So not having a child to reduce your carbon footprint is anti what you are saying it is for.

I wonder if anyone could tell them that and if they would give a rats ass.

 

[amicus]

You really want me to answer that?

Asking first because I'm too hung over to discern if you're just posing or sincerly want to know.

~~~

Yes, Liar, I do want to know. Perhaps not at the moment as it approaches 6am, I have a belly full and although my mind seems to be working well, my fingers need coaxing to find the right keys....at your convenience then?

Amicus...

 

[amicus]

Ami you bad bad boy, your not funny, though mostly right.

Except for the environment bit, that is seriously going to hell in a handbasket, not as bad as they are saying but still bad. Visit Los Angeles sometime, you will understand, one peek at that brown sky, or one rust colored morning rising sun and you will want to destroy every single internal combustion engine vehicle made.

Anyway, the reasons for not having a child are idiotic yep, but being 'green' is the new 'IN' thing so of course every news agency is racing to find people or things that are 'green.' Just wait, next month it will be some other thing and the whole green crap will go away and most everyone won't give a rats ass again.

OK I was going to walk away, but I just can't help it, creating more carbon is a good thing, plants feed on that and make oxygen which we all need and love. So not having a child to reduce your carbon footprint is anti what you are saying it is for.

I wonder if anyone could tell them that and if they would give a rats ass.

~~~

emap, quit using 'your' when you mean the contraction of you are, you're, yes, I am being picky but not mean, others see that error as I do and it weakens your words...I can live with it.

I was in the LA Basin in the fifties, the smog was terrible even then. There is no doubt that humans, like the open ocean, the deserts, the glaciers, the tundra and the forests affect, in one way or another, to some degree or another, affect the environment, I have never thought otherwise.

LA exists in an area that has what is called an 'inversion layer' in which natural events do not bring about the exchange of atmosphere that usually occurs in most areas, a special case scenario, there are others around the globe.

I know I do not fully understand your position on all aspects of this issue and I doubt you do mine either. I have owned land, I maintained it and did not act in any way to diminish the right of landowners adjacent to me or, 'downstream' in any way, air or water, that would detract from their rights of ownership.

I suggest, that those property rights, as outlined in property law, if equally enforced upon all property owners, would eliminate all of the infringements upon the environment that is the crux of the eco freaks that roam the halls of government.

If you pursue an understanding of this issue, you will learn that government and government sanctioned activities are responsible for the vast majority of pollution related events and property rights violations.

Think on that for a while and call me when I am sober.

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Youre not a resident nutcase, so I take your comments seriously.

I'm not suggesting we build tenement ghettos ala USSR. Or communes ala Israel.

I am suggesting we consolidate people/commerce in complexes where shopping and recreation and public services are in close proximity, and people dont need cars to get to work....use a golf cart or escalator or mono-rail. Rent a car if you wanna recreate at some distant place.

Make your region some place people want to visit or live.

There was a meadow near here, some years ago, that was lovely. In April it was covered with Phlox and something to see. When I needed to lift my spirits I parked near the meadow and absorbed its beauty. Its a big fucking parking lot now. Many of the smaller rivers around here are drainage ditches. You cant drive your car on the beaches; theyre filled with condos. I cant recall the last time I saw a Mullet jump in the Bay. It was common when I was kid.

 

[trysail]

"There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who 'love Nature' while deploring the 'artificialities' with which 'Man has spoiled Nature.' The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of 'Nature' but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by man (for the purposes of man) the 'Naturist' reveals his hatred for his own race- i.e., his own self-hatred.

In the case of 'Naturists' such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.

As for me, willy-nilly, I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women- it strikes me as a fine arrangement and perfectly 'natural."

-Robert A. Heinlein
Time Enough For Love
"The Notebooks of Lazarus Long"

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TRYSAIL I think there is plenty of room for beavers and sailors. I dont agree that every inch of shoreline needs to be preserved for the critters. And I do know there are plenty of natural spots around here that can use some beautifying by man. Their pristine charm is nothing to write home about.

Use such places for human recreation and hospitality (hotels).

And stop shitting in the natural springs and marine spawning grounds.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Youre correct that its generally government that fucks over the environment. Thirty years ago I owned a home on a wild river that the government transformed into a drainage canal because of flooding.

 

[amicus]

AMICUS

Youre not a resident nutcase, so I take your comments seriously.

I'm not suggesting we build tenement ghettos ala USSR. Or communes ala Israel.

I am suggesting we consolidate people/commerce in complexes where shopping and recreation and public services are in close proximity, and people dont need cars to get to work....use a golf cart or escalator or mono-rail. Rent a car if you wanna recreate at some distant place.

Make your region some place people want to visit or live.

There was a meadow near here, some years ago, that was lovely. In April it was covered with Phlox and something to see. When I needed to lift my spirits I parked near the meadow and absorbed its beauty. Its a big fucking parking lot now. Many of the smaller rivers around here are drainage ditches. You cant drive your car on the beaches; theyre filled with condos. I cant recall the last time I saw a Mullet jump in the Bay. It was common when I was kid.

~~~

I agree with you, JBJ, more than you know, as I recently returned to a place of my youth and also found it paved over, so yes, I know.

I cannot foresee the future anymore than you can, my friend, but in the novel, my 'magnum opus' I spoke of, I have visualized and created a dozen domed cities, housing 25 million people each, wherein there are no automobiles, no roads, no, 'private' means of transportation other than walking, where in all travel is automated.

The internal environment is totally controlled and artificial, the energy supplies are totally renewable, the waste is fully utilized, the city of 25 million creates no pollution, is self sustaining and has a growth potential based on actuarial data.

If I ever manage to complete this work and it is kindly received, I fully suspect to receive, posthumously, smiles, the same kind of criticism that the late Ayn Rand does, at my thesis is entirely free market oriented.

Such a deal, eh?

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

I agree.

The immediate problem here is, the pols want to get started building rail that goes nowhere and really has no utility beyond enriching their benefactors. I've seen estimates of 500 MILLION per mile of track.

I keep asking the question: Once you board the train, where does it take you?

No one has an answer for me.

The correct answer is, it goes between two inaccessible, inconvenient terminals with inadequate parking and support facilities. The local transportation authority recently built two terminals for bus riders. each terminal is located in an area haunted by bums. One terminal is surrounded by soup kitches and flop-houses, the other is in the midst of a transient area we call SUITCASE CITY. No decent people ride the buses.