Do you think with the UN involved that we will be able to FINISH the war on terrorism
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I think
It would be better for the UN to handle the security of Afghanistan after the Taliban are defeated and the new government is getting up to speed. Preferably a UN force consisting of middle eastern troops.
I don't think the Arab nations will give us carte blanche to run amok in the mid east. Saddam is a tough egg to crack. I think the sanctions should be lifted. They are not harming him in any way simply because he could not care less about how it affects his people. He gets his medicine and all the food he wants. If the whole population of Iraq were to die he would not care. In hindsight we should have taken him out..or at least established an international occupation force that would have left him powerless. In Afghanistan we are doing it right. Letting the citizens of Afghanistan take control of their government and at the same time addressing the underlying causes of the trouble. In the past we just bombed the hell out of our objective and left when we were done.
The same thing should be done in Palestine. It still amazes me that the UN hasn't sent peacekeeping troops into the West Bank and Jerusalem. Someone needs to sit these two petulant "children" down and tell them to knock it off. And at the same time the legitimate economic needs of the Palestinians should be addressed. Arafat will not, or even worse, cannot control Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Someone else has to. If Israel does it the war never ends. The hatred continues.
Root out the terrorists for certain, but unless you want to have to do this all over again in 15 or 20 years, we need to make the breeding grounds of terrorism barren. End the economic oppression, the occupation of the West Bank, and the desperation that fosters this kind of hatred.
It would be better for the UN to handle the security of Afghanistan after the Taliban are defeated and the new government is getting up to speed. Preferably a UN force consisting of middle eastern troops.
I don't think the Arab nations will give us carte blanche to run amok in the mid east. Saddam is a tough egg to crack. I think the sanctions should be lifted. They are not harming him in any way simply because he could not care less about how it affects his people. He gets his medicine and all the food he wants. If the whole population of Iraq were to die he would not care. In hindsight we should have taken him out..or at least established an international occupation force that would have left him powerless. In Afghanistan we are doing it right. Letting the citizens of Afghanistan take control of their government and at the same time addressing the underlying causes of the trouble. In the past we just bombed the hell out of our objective and left when we were done.
The same thing should be done in Palestine. It still amazes me that the UN hasn't sent peacekeeping troops into the West Bank and Jerusalem. Someone needs to sit these two petulant "children" down and tell them to knock it off. And at the same time the legitimate economic needs of the Palestinians should be addressed. Arafat will not, or even worse, cannot control Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Someone else has to. If Israel does it the war never ends. The hatred continues.
Root out the terrorists for certain, but unless you want to have to do this all over again in 15 or 20 years, we need to make the breeding grounds of terrorism barren. End the economic oppression, the occupation of the West Bank, and the desperation that fosters this kind of hatred.
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I think that with the UN there, it will most likely cause more problems than we, or any other country involved, really need right now. It seems to me we have a pretty good handle on things, the UN should let us finish our job there, and let our boys and girls get back to us ASAP.
As far as killing Bin Laden? I highly disagree with that. If we kill him, or he is killed in action, or by his own men, which he suggested, it will acomplish what he wants. Martyrdom, which, in my eyes is a bad thing. With Bin laden as a Martyr, other terrorist groups would use that, and his name, in even more action against us, or other countries. Keep him alive, try him for his crimes against humanity, let him rot in a military prison.
As far as killing Bin Laden? I highly disagree with that. If we kill him, or he is killed in action, or by his own men, which he suggested, it will acomplish what he wants. Martyrdom, which, in my eyes is a bad thing. With Bin laden as a Martyr, other terrorist groups would use that, and his name, in even more action against us, or other countries. Keep him alive, try him for his crimes against humanity, let him rot in a military prison.
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Ahh but
How much more unbearable can we make it for them?
It was a pretty shitty existence before we got over there. That is what breeds the "got nothing to lose" mentality behind suicide bombing.
The young suicide (berserkers) bombers are just that, young (impressionable, angry) and dumb. The terrorist leaders manipulate them with visions of martyrdom and paradise to give them some kind of hope. The individuals that carried out the September 11 actions fell outside this MO. Some of them, the leaders, were well educated and some were well off finacially.
The UN isn't perfect, mainly because in my opinion it reacts way too slowly to an emergency.
The UN never stopped us in Vietnam or Korea. Our own people brought about the withdrawal from Vietnam and Korea was a negotiated truce. As far as Iraq is concerned, George Bush made the mistake of assuring the Arab nations before the war started that the only objective was to get Iraq out of Kuwait. Once that was done, he couldn't go further. Not without alienating the entire Arab region. It would have been in The Arab's best interests to be rid of Hussein, but they are wary of Western involvement. The governments over there are not on the best of terms with their own populations. They are reluctant stir up any more unrest in their countries.
The soldiers giving up sp easily just illustrates how little the people actually support their leaders. The poor slobs sitting in the tanks in Iraq, probably never even knew why they were fighting. They just knew they had to or be arrested and possibly shot. This is where we can make some inroads. We should have used the Kurds to help fight Hussein.
How much more unbearable can we make it for them?
It was a pretty shitty existence before we got over there. That is what breeds the "got nothing to lose" mentality behind suicide bombing.
The young suicide (berserkers) bombers are just that, young (impressionable, angry) and dumb. The terrorist leaders manipulate them with visions of martyrdom and paradise to give them some kind of hope. The individuals that carried out the September 11 actions fell outside this MO. Some of them, the leaders, were well educated and some were well off finacially.
The UN isn't perfect, mainly because in my opinion it reacts way too slowly to an emergency.
The UN never stopped us in Vietnam or Korea. Our own people brought about the withdrawal from Vietnam and Korea was a negotiated truce. As far as Iraq is concerned, George Bush made the mistake of assuring the Arab nations before the war started that the only objective was to get Iraq out of Kuwait. Once that was done, he couldn't go further. Not without alienating the entire Arab region. It would have been in The Arab's best interests to be rid of Hussein, but they are wary of Western involvement. The governments over there are not on the best of terms with their own populations. They are reluctant stir up any more unrest in their countries.
The soldiers giving up sp easily just illustrates how little the people actually support their leaders. The poor slobs sitting in the tanks in Iraq, probably never even knew why they were fighting. They just knew they had to or be arrested and possibly shot. This is where we can make some inroads. We should have used the Kurds to help fight Hussein.
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un and america
when does everyone think the un will turn on the us and declare war on us? granted...we run the un...we own the un...but it really doesn't like us.
although i think only a combined effort of the entire world will wipe us american cockroaches off the face of the earth.
what'cha think?
when does everyone think the un will turn on the us and declare war on us? granted...we run the un...we own the un...but it really doesn't like us.
although i think only a combined effort of the entire world will wipe us american cockroaches off the face of the earth.
what'cha think?
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I think the UN is a terrorist organization determined to bite the hand that feeds.
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just my short personal thoughts.
Terrorism will never be snuffed out.
It can be calmed, shortened and controled.
but there will always be some nut out there that slips by.
Thing will definatly end up changeing but it will never 'end'
Terrorism will never be snuffed out.
It can be calmed, shortened and controled.
but there will always be some nut out there that slips by.
Thing will definatly end up changeing but it will never 'end'
SINthysist
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You are wrong,
A nut can slip by, yes.
Terrorism can and will be defeated. The world is shrinking, getting smaller, the medium you and I use to communicate is one example.
As we become more and more of a world community, this too, will pass. It is, after-all the information age. I do not think that terrorism will survive as technology permeates even the wildest, and remotest of regions.
A nut can slip by, yes.
Terrorism can and will be defeated. The world is shrinking, getting smaller, the medium you and I use to communicate is one example.
As we become more and more of a world community, this too, will pass. It is, after-all the information age. I do not think that terrorism will survive as technology permeates even the wildest, and remotest of regions.
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Oh No
I still say Timmy was in a cell that involved Al Quaeda.
They never should have killed that rat bastard until they knew everything and damn his rights!
He gave them up implicitly!
I still say Timmy was in a cell that involved Al Quaeda.
They never should have killed that rat bastard until they knew everything and damn his rights!
He gave them up implicitly!
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Of course,
I may be that slipping nut...
I may be that slipping nut...
SINthysist
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That is frequently referenced...
Even among those of the drug culture...
Even among those of the drug culture...
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This I know
He is decidedly anti drug. He looks a bit askance at the ones in school that use. Some are his friends but only in the most casual sense. He never spends any time with them other than at school.
Now cars...that is his vice. A Porsche fanatic he is.
He is decidedly anti drug. He looks a bit askance at the ones in school that use. Some are his friends but only in the most casual sense. He never spends any time with them other than at school.
Now cars...that is his vice. A Porsche fanatic he is.
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Was?
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