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do you support woman's right to choose to be totally naked in public any where?

JaySecrets said:
See, this is my point. How many guys are using this as jacking material? My guess, a lot. This is not liberating. This is reducing a person to skin instead of soul, physical instead of the greater spiritual substance, body instead of identity. It lessens a person's perceived worth to themselves and others. I would object if it were men, and object as vehemently. Some things are just too sacrosanct to be put on display for all the world to ogle.
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Hmmmmmm.....

Nudity and jacking-off material are interchangeable, parallel to and opposed to each other.

As with beauty being in the "eye of the beholder", so is jacking-off material.

To be an object you dont have to be naked, all you need is a pervert to look at you.

Free to be naked is to be free. And people should be free.

Perverts are those that don't understand the freedoms of others and their misconceptions of what is allowed.

I am allowed to be naked, and you are not allowed to engage with me in any way without my consent.

Even in the privacy of their homes, in role-playing, people give consent; let alone out in the world filled with strangers.

If you have the need to jack-off, it is your right. Go for it, but without my consent, keep me out of it. If you engage with me I am free to reject you, and you have no claim to me; whether I'm naked or not.

The concept of consent is crucial in all of our interactions.

The male pornstar had had sex with so many women on camera, but that was their role in the film, it was their job. Off camera, even after having been penetrated previously, by the same man, thay did not consent to being groped and penetrated again. He was tried for assaulting them.

A movie star in a role on film is playing a character, not giving us a preview of her life. Sexy, casual or prim and proper, her portrayal of the character is jacking-off material for many. It is all done without their consent, in the privacy of the one ogling them.
They are free to do so, (the one ogling) as long as they don't engage with the object of their infatuation of the moment. Them being naked or not at that moment (the one being ogled) is of irrelevance.

Free to be naked is to be free. And people should be free. To live their life to the best of their abilities without others imposing their will on them or exploiting them in any way, shape or form.

So to answer the question: Yes, I support the woman's right to choose to be naked in public anywhere.

If she chose to be naked at that time she is "with her skin, exposing the state of her soul, physically showing the greater spiritual and physical substance, her body as a part of her identity; unashamed of her appearance and flaws."
 
djole_i_mira said:
Hmmmmmm.....

Nudity and jacking-off material are interchangeable, parallel to and opposed to each other.

As with beauty being in the "eye of the beholder", so is jacking-off material.

To be an object you dont have to be naked, all you need is a pervert to look at you.

Free to be naked is to be free. And people should be free.

Perverts are those that don't understand the freedoms of others and their misconceptions of what is allowed.

I am allowed to be naked, and you are not allowed to engage with me in any way without my consent.

Even in the privacy of their homes, in role-playing, people give consent; let alone out in the world filled with strangers.

If you have the need to jack-off, it is your right. Go for it, but without my consent, keep me out of it. If you engage with me I am free to reject you, and you have no claim to me; whether I'm naked or not.

The concept of consent is crucial in all of our interactions.

The male pornstar had had sex with so many women on camera, but that was their role in the film, it was their job. Off camera, even after having been penetrated previously, by the same man, thay did not consent to being groped and penetrated again. He was tried for assaulting them.

A movie star in a role on film is playing a character, not giving us a preview of her life. Sexy, casual or prim and proper, her portrayal of the character is jacking-off material for many. It is all done without their consent, in the privacy of the one ogling them.
They are free to do so, (the one ogling) as long as they don't engage with the object of their infatuation of the moment. Them being naked or not at that moment (the one being ogled) is of irrelevance.

Free to be naked is to be free. And people should be free. To live their life to the best of their abilities without others imposing their will on them or exploiting them in any way, shape or form.

So to answer the question: Yes, I support the woman's right to choose to be naked in public anywhere.

If she chose to be naked at that time she is "with her skin, exposing the state of her soul, physically showing the greater spiritual and physical substance, her body as a part of her identity; unashamed of her appearance and flaws."
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Given that you are clearly into incest (as given by your stories) and into Mother/Son incest at that, not much you say here is very validating. Again, another person using "liberation" as an excuse to have people to perv. Not impressed.
 
JaySecrets said:
Given that you are clearly into incest (as given by your stories) and into Mother/Son incest at that, not much you say here is very validating. Again, another person using "liberation" as an excuse to have people to perv. Not impressed.
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And,.... and,.... your momma is so fat.....​

My stories, my beliefs are mine. Right?

We are talking about about support for the right to choose. The freedom.

Do my stories negate that right? Because I wrote this, it means that you don't have the right to choose? Everyone chooses for themselves, and I support their right to choose.

I don't support pervs, I support consent to the extent of incest!


Not knowing you, but reading your views, I believe that the very first story I wrote was about a person sharing those similar views and how detremental they are in a relationship.

As you are here for the stories. I suppose, have a read. The first couple of chapters are very short and to the point. Chapter 9 is long and delves into incest, i gusess, skip that? :)
 
djole_i_mira said:
And,.... and,.... your momma is so fat.....​

My stories, my beliefs are mine. Right?

We are talking about about support for the right to choose. The freedom.

Do my stories negate that right? Because I wrote this, it means that you don't have the right to choose? Everyone chooses for themselves, and I support their right to choose.

I don't support pervs, I support consent to the extent of incest!


Not knowing you, but reading your views, I believe that the very first story I wrote was about a person sharing those similar views and how detremental they are in a relationship.

As you are here for the stories. I suppose, have a read. The first couple of chapters are very short and to the point. Chapter 9 is long and delves into incest, i gusess, skip that? :)
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I'm pointing out that your mindset reflects your values. In other words, you look for the freedom of people to expose themselves so you can ogle them. This would be reflected in that you are so sex obsessed that you are even into incest. At a certain point, I'm really not listening anymore because you have proven yourself not to be worth listening to.
 
JaySecrets said:
I'm pointing out that your mindset reflects your values. In other words, you look for the freedom of people to expose themselves so you can ogle them. This would be reflected in that you are so sex obsessed that you are even into incest. At a certain point, I'm really not listening anymore because you have proven yourself not to be worth listening to.
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Reason and common sense are not as common as people would believe. That is why we have to have laws.

What is reasnoble for one person it is not for another.

Common sense is as subjective as the word says. It is common to a certain group of like minded individuals.

Burka, niqab or hijabin in the world of today are common sense in the part of the world that they are practiced, just like being born into slavery was in Greek and Roman times of old.

In this forum (Latin word for: a public meeting place for open discussion) we are talking as a group of like minded individuals, not bigots, racists or perverts; where the OP posted a valid question: "do-you-support-womans-right-to-choose-to-be-totally-naked-in-public-any-where?"

My answer is yes. - Men too, but he didn't ask about men.

Now, there are those that oppose that view, like you. But you are infering, what no one has said, not one reply was about being a perv, and that nudity is to serve the purpose of "men perving on women".

You are the most vocal about it.

My question to you is:
  • Could you not be respectable to other's nudity?
  • Would seeing someone nude offend you?
  • If so, why would it?

There are so many things that people are sensitive to today, but, are we now to ban people just to serve a purpose, or do we define the terms of our existence?
 
djole_i_mira said:
Reason and common sense are not as common as people would believe. That is why we have to have laws.

What is reasnoble for one person it is not for another.

Common sense is as subjective as the word says. It is common to a certain group of like minded individuals.

Burka, niqab or hijabin in the world of today are common sense in the part of the world that they are practiced, just like being born into slavery was in Greek and Roman times of old.

In this forum (Latin word for: a public meeting place for open discussion) we are talking as a group of like minded individuals, not bigots, racists or perverts; where the OP posted a valid question: "do-you-support-womans-right-to-choose-to-be-totally-naked-in-public-any-where?"

My answer is yes. - Men too, but he didn't ask about men.

Now, there are those that oppose that view, like you. But you are infering, what no one has said, not one reply was about being a perv, and that nudity is to serve the purpose of "men perving on women".

You are the most vocal about it.

My question to you is:
  • Could you not be respectable to other's nudity?
  • Would seeing someone nude offend you?
  • If so, why would it?

There are so many things that people are sensitive to today, but, are we now to ban people just to serve a purpose, or do we define the terms of our existence?
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Again, I am stating it rather clearly. YOU are a perv, as proven by your desire for sons and mothers to have sexual relations, who, like the majority of guys who support a woman's being nude anywhere or as close as possible, support anything that makes your perving easier. That you also support male public nudity doesn't change anything. And that you look at offspring as a sex object make me very uncomfortable with you as a parent seeing your or anyone else's children naked or anywhere close to it in any context.

And I again find it interesting that most women in society tend to agree with me. It's why most women don't want their husband going to a strip club or any other venue where scantily clad women are involved. Women generally recognize that there is something inherently intimate about nudity, and that intimacy has a special place to be shared only by those you are physically intimate with.

So, no, the question is not, nor was it ever, about MY ability to not start immediately wanking when I see a nude woman. The question was about the wisdom of making it a normal thing for her to be nude in public in the first place. Don't dare try to twist your perversions around onto me.

I would oppose it, not because of lack of self control, but because of basic decency and protection of that which is sacrosanct, the female body, from leering by perverts like you. Only a twisted person could take something that is obviously and inherently wrong and twisted, tending toward the objectification and enslaving of a person or group, and try to turn it into a thing of liberation.

By the way, there is historical basis for that statement as well. One of the way enslaved have always been marked is the taking of their clothing to moth humiliate them and to keep them in their place as mere objects. Those ruling over them, on the other hand have been marked by the richness of their clothing.
 
JaySecrets said:
By the way, there is historical basis for that statement as well. One of the way enslaved have always been marked is the taking of their clothing to moth humiliate them and to keep them in their place as mere objects. Those ruling over them, on the other hand have been marked by the richness of their clothing.
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Very, very perceptive.

Think about a woman in the east of our world today. If her husband were to deny her access to her clothes what was to be of her? Nothing but a slave in her own home, albeit without the actual chains.

That is the very thing that is at the crux of this discussion. The OP asks how far would we support that woman? Would we shun and stone her, or would we let her go on her way and enjoy her life as she saw fit, and support her?

Would we back her up against the pervs that would want to take advantage of her, or would we join them? as you are trying to lump us all in with them.


The analogy of the car and the keys in the ignition, in a bad neighborhood, is good to call up on at this moment.

The very first cars didn't have keys, people had respect for others at that time in the world. We had locks on our doors but used them only when we were gong away for long periods of time. Our computers weren't designed with antivirus software, and now it seems that all our computers do is fend away hacker attacks and run a few browsers.

Yes, there are malicious perverts out there, we have to deal with them on every day basis. We have to have common sense to live in this word around us.

But still the question was: do-you-support-womans-right-to-choose-to-be-totally-naked-in-public-any-where?

My answer is still yes. - It might not be wise, it might not be appropriate to me, but if she felt that she would like to be naked, at that time, at that place, I would support her.


Clothes are a personal choice of expression in life. The color, the cut of the fabric and the details and accessories that go along with them.

They also express the state of mind of the individual at that moment. Light and frilly like the beach, or dark and solemn like a funeral. Or naked and free. Free of burdens, free of life's complications, any time, and anywhere.


Take a look at all of the Red carpets and celebrities that walk them.

In line, one after another, they cue up all in fancy dresses; but some are almost naked. They just might be naked if they had the support of the society. But they don't have the full support, so they push the envelope as far as they can. To express their joy for their life at that moment. Happy and carefree for all of us to see.

Yes, there are pervs there for the sole purpose of perving on the happy people; just like there are pickpockets and purse-snatchers at the sub-way stations.
When we are being robbed we expect help fom the people around us, to thwart the criminal, to trip him up in his endeavors.

People like you, that are vigilantly keeping an eye out for improprieties and are ready to step in on our behalf. To support our freedom of choice, and in certain instances, alert us to the dangers around us.

Even to step in, if need be, and call out the perverts around us; but not so far as to stiffle our freedom to choose what we feel is right for us.
 
djole_i_mira said:
Very, very perceptive.

Think about a woman in the east of our world today. If her husband were to deny her access to her clothes what was to be of her? Nothing but a slave in her own home, albeit without the actual chains.

That is the very thing that is at the crux of this discussion. The OP asks how far would we support that woman? Would we shun and stone her, or would we let her go on her way and enjoy her life as she saw fit, and support her?

Would we back her up against the pervs that would want to take advantage of her, or would we join them? as you are trying to lump us all in with them.


The analogy of the car and the keys in the ignition, in a bad neighborhood, is good to call up on at this moment.

The very first cars didn't have keys, people had respect for others at that time in the world. We had locks on our doors but used them only when we were gong away for long periods of time. Our computers weren't designed with antivirus software, and now it seems that all our computers do is fend away hacker attacks and run a few browsers.

Yes, there are malicious perverts out there, we have to deal with them on every day basis. We have to have common sense to live in this word around us.

But still the question was: do-you-support-womans-right-to-choose-to-be-totally-naked-in-public-any-where?

My answer is still yes. - It might not be wise, it might not be appropriate to me, but if she felt that she would like to be naked, at that time, at that place, I would support her.


Clothes are a personal choice of expression in life. The color, the cut of the fabric and the details and accessories that go along with them.

They also express the state of mind of the individual at that moment. Light and frilly like the beach, or dark and solemn like a funeral. Or naked and free. Free of burdens, free of life's complications, any time, and anywhere.


Take a look at all of the Red carpets and celebrities that walk them.

In line, one after another, they cue up all in fancy dresses; but some are almost naked. They just might be naked if they had the support of the society. But they don't have the full support, so they push the envelope as far as they can. To express their joy for their life at that moment. Happy and carefree for all of us to see.

Yes, there are pervs there for the sole purpose of perving on the happy people; just like there are pickpockets and purse-snatchers at the sub-way stations.
When we are being robbed we expect help fom the people around us, to thwart the criminal, to trip him up in his endeavors.

People like you, that are vigilantly keeping an eye out for improprieties and are ready to step in on our behalf. To support our freedom of choice, and in certain instances, alert us to the dangers around us.

Even to step in, if need be, and call out the perverts around us; but not so far as to stiffle our freedom to choose what we feel is right for us.
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So because people will do drugs regardless, let's legalize all drugs? Meth? Coke? Acid? Ruffies? E? All of it? Same logic. We act with laws BECAUSE people will do evil uninhibited if the opportunity and motive is placed in front of them. Anyone who doesn't begin with that basic premise is naive and a fool.
 
lol, yeah… unfortunately she isn’t a closet freak.. unless you mean celibacy is freaky, then yeah, she’s freaky all right
 
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