Do you prefer the eroticism or the cum shot?

[CharleyH]

Just sitting around toiling and struggling over the same story .... still ... but I wondered what a writer or a reader felt that the most exciting part of a narrative was? Is it the eroticism or is it the cum shot in the sex part of the story that's most exciting? Can one exist without the other? (ie eroticism vs. cum shot in the "sex scene").

Prior to this particular point in time, I have always been a writer that delivers some sort of orgasm scene in an erotic story and I strangely find myself in a place where I do not think my characters need an orgasm - it sounds odd - and it is - but I dunno ... what is your opinion as readers or writers?

 

[Guest]

Eroticism all the way, baby.

I think yer bulk-standard cum-shot/orgasm story can exist without the eroticism leading up to it, but it would leave me feeling terribly wanting.

On the other hand, a highly erotic story (without any "actual" sex even) can most definitely exist without a cum-shot/climactic ending, and I'd probably get a lot more out of that type of story than I would the other.

It's all about the build up... the little bits of sexiness that happen prior to them getting really down and dirty. Little things, like his (or her) hands wandering up her skirt. The looks they exchange. Stuff like that.

Of course, good hard, filthy banging is horny, too, but for max pleasure, give me erotism anytime.

It's just like actual sex (I don't mean in a story), an orgasm doesn't always have to happen (for either partner) for loads of enjoyment to be had. And sometimes (only sometimes, mind you) it can take all pressure off (not literally, of course!).

 

[S-Des]

I've done both (although only done it without an orgasm a couple of times). I think that can be very effective, depending on what you are trying to tell. If the reader is just looking for a stroke story . . . well, that pretty much answers that. If you're trying to write something moving, anything you think will make the story more compelling is cool. I know it's different for women because it's so easy for a guy to orgasm, but I've had sex without an orgasm and still found it very fulfilling. It just depends on my partner. Reading about it is just like living it. If you tell it well enough, the "cum shot" doesn't really matter.

 

[neonlyte]

What Miss Lou said, but you'd guess I would say that.

Most of us in real life succumb to eroticism manifested in a multitude of ways, doesn't need to be intimate. A glance, a smile, just a hint of knowing thought can be enough to make the spirit soar. Blatent erotic flirting takes things to a different level, both parties are pretty certain where it will end up, it adds spice and excitement as you move toward the inevitable.

Most of my writing is erotic rather than explicit. In my Nude Day entry, I thought I'd down played the sex too much, it's suggested rather than described, surpisingly (to me), most people who've left comments have said how hot the sex actually is, and there is a little experimental piece 'Painting the Nude' written specifically to be erotic. I think it works, there is no actual sex in the writing which is all about sex (if that makes sense).

 

[FallingToFly]

I like eroticism over the cum shot any day. Some of my most favorite erotic pieces- *gasp* have no sex. It's all implied.

And I think a lot of Lit readers agree. I have a Hot rated story in NonHuman that doesn't have any sex.. not even a KISS... and it still has done remarkably well with readers.

I think the ones who actually are reading for the sake or reading- not stroking, look for more build-up and sensuality rather than hard and fast fucking.

 

[hotchkiss]

Have to go with the flow here! Eroticism all the way.

 

[rgraham666]

Eroticism for me, Charley.

The cum shot's merely the final punctuation of the erotic story. A story that consisted entirely of "! ? . , ! ? ! ! !" would be dull and very hard to understand.

 

[Liar]

What, no "I kiked down the dor" replies yet? Damn, I'm getting old.


Seriously though, cumshots, as in porn cum blasting all over the place, must be one of the oddest things in motion picture history. It's primary function is to prove to the audience that the guy got his rocks off. As if it wasn't fiction to begin with. And as if I'd care.

 

[CharleyH]

What Miss Lou said, but you'd guess I would say that.

As surely as you would guess my response, which was much lengthier before Lit tipped out - lol. Why is Miss Lou always kinda right?

However, as I was saying - I am not always sure one know where blatent flirtations in stories go It could be an indication of BDSM denial - no?

As for Liar (snicker and LOL) well, okay - things do raise the question in erotic writing, though - do we write a cum scene with those oh - so masculine, and "explosive" words?

If a man cums in your stories? Does he explode from his rocket like a volcano, do your female characters feel it if he does cum in her and what about reality - or is the reality of biological sex just too dull to write in porn or erotica?

 

[arienette]

Eroticism all the way, baby.

I think yer bulk-standard cum-shot/orgasm story can exist without the eroticism leading up to it, but it would leave me feeling terribly wanting.

On the other hand, a highly erotic story (without any "actual" sex even) can most definitely exist without a cum-shot/climactic ending, and I'd probably get a lot more out of that type of story than I would the other.

It's all about the build up... the little bits of sexiness that happen prior to them getting really down and dirty. Little things, like his (or her) hands wandering up her skirt. The looks they exchange. Stuff like that.

Of course, good hard, filthy banging is horny, too, but for max pleasure, give me erotism anytime.

It's just like actual sex (I don't mean in a story), an orgasm doesn't always have to happen (for either partner) for loads of enjoyment to be had. And sometimes (only sometimes, mind you) it can take all pressure off (not literally, of course!).

I agree completely with this.
I'm jumping on the bandwagon and saying eroticism.

 

[AchtungNight]

It's eroticism for me too. I like to build up quite a foundation before I trigger my explosives. As for realism, well, I think that makes things hotter, so I always stick it in.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

I, regrettably, don't read porn for the literary acheivement.

 

[SeaCat]

LOLOLOL

I try to write some eroticism into my stories, I like to think they aren't just stroke. Once or tice I feel that I have even managed to carry this off.

As for what I enjoy when I'm reading stories? The more eroticism the better.

Cat

 

[S-Des]

As surely as you would guess my response, which was much lengthier before Lit tipped out - lol. Why is Miss Lou always kinda right?

However, as I was saying - I am not always sure one know where blatent flirtations in stories go It could be an indication of BDSM denial - no?

As for Liar (snicker and LOL) well, okay - things do raise the question in erotic writing, though - do we write a cum scene with those oh - so masculine, and "explosive" words?

If a man cums in your stories? Does he explode from his rocket like a volcano, do your female characters feel it if he does cum in her and what about reality - or is the reality of biological sex just too dull to write in porn or erotica?

Normally my stories are more biological (I don't have the poet's flair like many of you). I've had a couple where I wanted it to be extra special so tried to make the orgasms more 'earthshaking'. I don't know how succesful I was, most of the comments on my stories are about the stories, not the erotic scenes (I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult).

I think doing it too often would get silly, at least for me.

 

[Guest]

Militant opinion to follow.

The straight "cum shot" is, frankly, dull and boring and rather pointless whether in pictures and print. My imagination is sufficient to provide that minimal bit of imagery for myself -- anyone with a working braincell can imagine that for themselves without needing to resort to reading or watching anything, I'd think. Certainly I'd expect people who wander through this forum to be capable of that much without...well...much at all. I suppose there are supremely unimaginative or lazy people who can't, or don't want to, manage that much...but I don't want to know them.

What I want from someone else is what I can't imagine for myself, what I haven't thought of, or a new way to see something, or a particularly good creation and rendition of an idea. I think most of the people posting here are saying there is more to erotic (or even porn) writing than just the description of the orgasm. Why waste one's time to read about something that, on average, takes less than a minute to actually happen? (even the best ones tend to hover around the 5 minute mark, and is it really that interesting to read about unless something else is going on? Like so much in life, it's far more interesting to DO than to WATCH.)

So, yes, it's the erotisism that makes the story worth reading. And some attempts at telling a story doesn't hurt.

 

[Liar]

Ok peeps, it seems that if there was an either/or situation, people would like eroticism stories without cumming instead of cumming without eroticism. Sounds reasonable, the latter would have to be somethng out of a school book. "The male ejaculation transports the semen along the..."

But is there a contradiction? I fail to see the either/or. Orgasms are kind of a part of the whole sexual experience, right? Question is, how much focus do you place on that thing in the story? Is it the climax of not only the sex, but also of the plot, or is the emotional peak somewhere else?

 

[dirtyjoe69]

No build up, no use!

The straight cum shot although final is useless unless there is a build up. Do you ever go to see just the end of a movie? Right to the climax? Would be a pretty crappy movie don't ya think? So I need the build up, but then again all build up and no ending, unless you want to carry on a story is also pretty useless.

once again my opinion take it how ya want

 

[shereads]

Can't we have both?

 

[Huckleman2000]

Can't we have both?

Huck Shereads

I'm reminded of the movie, 'Body Double', where the struggling actor protaganist goes into the porn industry to try to solve a murder that he's a suspect of. Something like that.

Anyway, the actor does his first sex scene, and fails to pull out to deliver the 'money shot'. Everyone laughs at his noob mistake, but the scene has an emotional resonance far beyond any porn scene I've seen. At least in my memory. Also notable is Melanie Griffith's pre-scene Do's and Don'ts speech, where she says she doesn't do facials. This was 1984! Can't a girl get that in a contract anymore?

*sigh* It's all become so formulaic.

 

[shereads]

Quite seriously, I want both. I've become a porn addict; just realized this recently. I was reading a spy thriller recommended by a friend, and was pleasantly surprised by an erotically-charged relationship between two key characters. When it came time to relieve all that sexual tension, I could hardly wait.

Finally. Here we go! After a dozen chapters of steam and sizzle, Old Faithful is about to erupt...not.

The author sent our clothes-ripping couple to the privacy of the bedroom and did a tasteful fade to the morning after. It was nicely done.

I felt ripped off.

Sure, it was smart marketing; the same book, with the addition of penises and tongues and groans and body fluids, would have a much narrower audience. The author would lose all those normal readers who cluck their tongues with distaste when a sex scene 'leaves nothing to the imagination.'

Not me, dammit. If I felt like using my imagination, why would I have paid $9.95 for your book?

Okay, okay. I didn't pay for it; I borrowed it. But still.

The thing is, a few years ago it wouldn't have bothered me. I'd have accepted that decent writers don't thrust cocks in our faces. It just wasn't done. There were body parts and detailed descriptions of their uses in some of the bodice-ripper novels we devoured in college, skipping to 'the good parts' to tide us over until the new issue of Penthouse Forum arrived. But in mainstream publishing, tasteful sequeways were the norm. Good writers, like good girls, kept those nasty fantasies to themselves.

Now I know better. I'm part of the spoiled minority who know that the difference between literature and trash isn't the cum shot; it's the phrase, "I'm cumminnnggg!"

 

[Pure]

i agree with sher: spurts, like drips, are part of eroticism. the 'dry' eroticism of old movies is often antiseptic (dry, chaste kisses).

bodily fluids... you just gotta have 'em.

 

[deathlynx]

Personally I think one without the other is something of a letdown...Granted it depends on exactly how you're defining "cum-shot"...If you mean just the orgasm in general then deffinately, but I'm not as much for biological description...I'm a poet (read romantic) at heart and more base doesn't do it for me...

If forced to choose between cum-shot and eroticism exclusive then I'll choose eroticism every time...

 

[JamesSD]

Can't we have both?

I Agree. The two should be symbiotic with each other.

Eroticism without a cum shot is the literary equivalent of blue balls.