Do you own your body?

then it's down to virginians to make sure the republicans don't get re-elected and a new gov. signs an overturning of that bill
West Virginia has gone hard Republican in the last two decades. 68.62% of voters in West Virginia voted for Donald Trump in 2020, making it Trump's second strongest state in the nation, only behind Wyoming. There was only one county in West Virginia that gave Trump less than 50% of the vote in 2020, and he even won that county with a plurality.
 
Well... do you?
well if you live in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA the answer would be "NO". The Roman Catholic Church owns everyone's soul. I mean that literally. That is why when a person goes to court they have to have a lawyer, the reason why is that we are dead, we have no voice, they consider us a corpse.
 
Adrina - I'll give you the serious answer. From a legal perspective, the answer is "No". The "State", whatever the "State" is defined as depending on your will, owns you. The process of granting rights and reserving rights, is then negotiated through the messy process of "Government".

I realize your primary focus and prompter of the discussion is the current abortion question, but it extends far beyond that, abortion just being one of the many examples in society.

All laws imply/assume that the state has a "controlling ownership" in our bodies. The whole historical process of carving out individual rights under any form of government begins there.

Now, there is plenty room to debate it philosophically, and I've even set aside the religious/spiritual environments, since there it's a whole other discussion. But, at the end of the day, all governments, whether or man or of god, to end state is the same. You do not own your body, regardless of your gender.
We have no RIGHTS, the went with the signing of the 14th amendment, and they were replaced with PRIVILEGES.

RIGHTS - cannot be taken away
Privileges - can be taken away, or revoked and have been
 
Alabama’s attorney general says the state can prosecute those who help women travel for abortions

Alabama’s attorney general argued in a court filing that the state has the authority to bring conspiracy charges against groups who help women travel out of the state for an abortion.

Bu… but… “it should be left with the states, and if people don’t like the laws in their state, they can just go to a different state with laws that are in line with their values”.

🙄

The control freak right wing fascists were NEVER going to stop at “states’ rights”.

See: The fascist right wing federal abortion ban, West Virginia’s restriction on the the sale of abortion pills, the Alabama AG’s Big Brother tactics for women traveling out of state to seek medical treatment, etc, etc, etc,…

“They are what we thought (said) they were” - Control freak fascists.

JFC

SAD!!!
 
If people don't want to live under Fascist rule...they will move. Anything else is just excuses. Priorities. Those that stay under Fascist rule do so out of their own free will. It isn't rocket science
 
Another daily reminder just how dishonest the anti-abortion crowd is.

Lies, gaslighting, disinformation and misinformation:.

That ^ is the “republican” strategy for every issue.

They motivate me to vote against them, and hopefully they motivate maaaaaaany others to vote against them.

Democrats aren’t “perfect”, but come on. The choice isn’t even close.

*nods*
 
well if you live in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA the answer would be "NO". The Roman Catholic Church owns everyone's soul. I mean that literally. That is why when a person goes to court they have to have a lawyer, the reason why is that we are dead, we have no voice, they consider us a corpse.
The Roman Catholic Church? Most of the conservative and far right parts of the US had, and perhaps still have, a strong anti-Catholic streak.
 

Bu… but… “it should be left with the states, and if people don’t like the laws in their state, they can just go to a different state with laws that are in line with their values”.

🙄

The control freak right wing fascists were NEVER going to stop at “states’ rights”.

See: The fascist right wing federal abortion ban, West Virginia’s restriction on the the sale of abortion pills, the Alabama AG’s Big Brother tactics for women traveling out of state to seek medical treatment, etc, etc, etc,…

“They are what we thought (said) they were” - Control freak fascists.

JFC

SAD!!!
It was never about states' rights really, proven by the fact that since Roe v Wade was overturned the Republicans are trying national restrictions or bans on abortion.

Democrats aren’t “perfect”, but come on. The choice isn’t even close.

*nods*
The Democrats didn't codify Roe v Wade even when they controlled the presidency and both houses of congress. They pussyfoot around, and even now will defend the filibuster.
 
The Roman Catholic Church? Most of the conservative and far right parts of the US had, and perhaps still have, a strong anti-Catholic streak.
I'm sorry to tell you that you have been misinformed, the Bush family are members of the Catholic Church, the Clinton's are Catholic, Gores are Catholic, these and many others have been seen taking communion at a Roman Catholic mass (which is satanic), and since you cannot receive communion unless you are Roman Catholic these people lied to their consituants. If you really want to know who owns you and the entire world please read the book:

"The Rulers of Evil" (free pdf)
by: F Tupper Saucy
 
What is unconstitutional

Bu… but… “it should be left with the states, and if people don’t like the laws in their state, they can just go to a different state with laws that are in line with their values”.

🙄

The control freak right wing fascists were NEVER going to stop at “states’ rights”.

See: The fascist right wing federal abortion ban, West Virginia’s restriction on the the sale of abortion pills, the Alabama AG’s Big Brother tactics for women traveling out of state to seek medical treatment, etc, etc, etc,…

“They are what we thought (said) they were” - Control freak fascists.

JFC

SAD!!!
What is sad is that you don't find the very idea of an abortion pill disgusting. Notice pro choice people are people who are alive. The choice is ultimately the woman's and if she is married or in a relationship than she should discuss it with her partner. I was I guess the rare case, I wanted the baby but she didn't. At first she did and God In heaven how I loved her so much. I bought 4 self pregnancy tests after work and headed to her brother's house and all four of them were positive, I know it was probably wrong of me but I held her and declared my love and commitment to her and our child. When I drove her home I parked the car and opened her door and hugged her and kissed her face and taking her hand I led her to her front door she asked me "what are you doing?" I told her I was going to sit right beside her as we both told her mother and older sister.

I will never forget the look of absolute love and respect she gave me. The look of safety and confidence in me. By the end of the conversation her mother was crying and hugging me with smiles. Long story short someone got in her head (I learned it was an ex boyfriend) she got an abortion and moved to another state and cheated on me)

That was 16 years ago and I have not been on a date or had relations with a woman. I was gutted and it almost killed me. I took her to the clinic even though I wouldn't pay a dime for the abortion (her sister in law did) I sat in the waiting room. I had flowers 🌺🌹 waiting for her when I brought her back to her brother's house and I laid next to her just holding her and stroking my fingers through her beautiful hair. No words were said, I took the advice from some murdering institution named PLAN PARENTHOOD 😔

Before I get cursed at go and read Margaret Sangers manafestio, she said and I quote "I started plan parenthood to KILL BLACK PEOPLE" 🤢. Go read it it will make your eyes open up, I sat reading it three years ago at Penns Landing and a couple came up to me and asked if I was alright, it was than that I noticed I had tears running down my face.

I am a broken man till this day, just saying all men are not the same
 
What is unconstitutional

What is sad is that you don't find the very idea of an abortion pill disgusting. Notice pro choice people are people who are alive. The choice is ultimately the woman's and if she is married or in a relationship than she should discuss it with her partner. I was I guess the rare case, I wanted the baby but she didn't. At first she did and God In heaven how I loved her so much. I bought 4 self pregnancy tests after work and headed to her brother's house and all four of them were positive, I know it was probably wrong of me but I held her and declared my love and commitment to her and our child. When I drove her home I parked the car and opened her door and hugged her and kissed her face and taking her hand I led her to her front door she asked me "what are you doing?" I told her I was going to sit right beside her as we both told her mother and older sister.

I will never forget the look of absolute love and respect she gave me. The look of safety and confidence in me. By the end of the conversation her mother was crying and hugging me with smiles. Long story short someone got in her head (I learned it was an ex boyfriend) she got an abortion and moved to another state and cheated on me)

That was 16 years ago and I have not been on a date or had relations with a woman. I was gutted and it almost killed me. I took her to the clinic even though I wouldn't pay a dime for the abortion (her sister in law did) I sat in the waiting room. I had flowers 🌺🌹 waiting for her when I brought her back to her brother's house and I laid next to her just holding her and stroking my fingers through her beautiful hair. No words were said, I took the advice from some murdering institution named PLAN PARENTHOOD 😔

Before I get cursed at go and read Margaret Sangers manafestio, she said and I quote "I started plan parenthood to KILL BLACK PEOPLE" 🤢. Go read it it will make your eyes open up, I sat reading it three years ago at Penns Landing and a couple came up to me and asked if I was alright, it was than that I noticed I had tears running down my face.

I am a broken man till this day, just saying all men are not the same

Your trauma is not, frankly, important enough to determine a policy which directly affects half of the population. Especially when policy based off your trauma would lead to the fetal enslavement of half the population.

You really do need to take responsibility for your mental and emotional state and seek therapy to try to move beyond this. As opposed to supporting policy which makes women become slaves to a fetus by government decree.

You also have an incorrect perception of the quote.

After 16 years of trauma, you have failed yourself.

Lastly, health policy affecting hundreds of millions of Americans should not be based on your hysteria. Or any hysteria for that matter.
 
Your trauma is not, frankly, important enough to determine a policy which directly affects half of the population. Especially when policy based off your trauma would lead to the fetal enslavement of half the population.

You really do need to take responsibility for your mental and emotional state and seek therapy to try to move beyond this. As opposed to supporting policy which makes women become slaves to a fetus by government decree.

You also have an incorrect perception of the quote.

After 16 years of trauma, you have failed yourself.

Lastly, health policy affecting hundreds of millions of Americans should not be based on your hysteria. Or any hysteria for that matter.

That is an alt, and the story is completely fabricated.

Check the join date and posting history.

I do agree that individual needs to seek mental health therapy, but not for the reason you perceive to be the problem.

I also suspect that individual isn’t even American. I mean,”PLAN” Parenthood?? No American would make that mistake.

*nods*
 
That is an alt, and the story is completely fabricated.

Check the join date and posting history.

I do agree that individual needs to seek mental health therapy, but not for the reason you perceive to be the problem.

I also suspect that individual isn’t even American. I mean,”PLAN” Parenthood?? No American would make that mistake.

*nods*
Had a hunch. Bullshit heartbreak trauma propaganda.
 
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Taking a shower.. Because I am not married and never was, I have not had a relationship with anyone in 15 years....no dating or relations with a woman.....

I was a front man for an early 2000's hardcore band and one night opening for OBITUARY. I had my pants pulled down by a member of the road crew and was naked for the last song.. I forgot that my sister was in the audience that night
Date of 2021 for the above post
That is an alt, and the story is completely fabricated.

Check the join date and posting history.

I do agree that individual needs to seek mental health therapy, but not for the reason you perceive to be the problem.

I also suspect that individual isn’t even American. I mean,”PLAN” Parenthood?? No American would make that mistake.

*nods*

Had a hunch. Bullshit heartbreak trauma propaganda.
Posts in 2023 he has not had a relationship in 16yrs.

If it's a real story, his skills at addition suck.....
 
I'm sorry to tell you that you have been misinformed, the Bush family are members of the Catholic Church, the Clinton's are Catholic, Gores are Catholic, these and many others have been seen taking communion at a Roman Catholic mass (which is satanic), and since you cannot receive communion unless you are Roman Catholic these people lied to their consituants. If you really want to know who owns you and the entire world please read the book:

"The Rulers of Evil" (free pdf)
by: F Tupper Saucy
The only Catholic US Presidents are Joe Biden and John F. Kennedy, the latter of whom was assassinated in office. The only other Catholic candidate among the major parties was Al Smith in 1928, who faced widespread discrimination and rumor. There were anti-Catholic rumors in 1928 that if Smith became president, he would invite the Pope (Pius XI) to live at the White House and that the Pope would run the country by proxy.

What is unconstitutional

What is sad is that you don't find the very idea of an abortion pill disgusting. Notice pro choice people are people who are alive.
Notice how anti-choice people are the only ones to force their morality on those people who disagree? Pro-choice people allow women to act according to their conscience and wishes on the abortion issue. With a pro-choice position, if you don't morally agree with abortion then simply don't have an abortion. With an anti-choice position, it's more a case of "I don't care if you want abortion to be available, I'm not going to allow you to make that choice".
 
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