Do you own your body?

[adrina]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-increasingly-against-abortion-limits/

A Growing Share Of Americans Think States Shouldn't Be Able To Put Any Limits On Abortion​

The Supreme Court’s 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization transformed the politics of abortion, turning an issue that once mattered mostly to conservative Christians into a powerful voting issue on the left. But new polling suggests that the decision could also be reshaping the way abortion-rights supporters think about the issue — specifically, whether abortion is something that should be regulated by the government at all.


A new and intriguing finding from PerryUndem, a nonpartisan research firm, suggests that a significant chunk of abortion-rights supporters may now oppose any government restrictions on abortion — even limits on later abortion that were largely uncontroversial before Dobbs. The researchers asked 4,037 registered voters if they supported a constitutional amendment establishing reproductive freedom. Half of the sample read an amendment identical to the ballot measure that passed in Michigan in 2022; the other half read the same amendment except the researchers removed language that allowed the state to regulate abortion after viability, or when a fetus can live outside a woman’s body.


PerryUndem found that respondents who received the version of the ballot measure with no government regulations included were 15 percentage points more likely to say they would “definitely” vote for it: Forty-five percent said they would “definitely vote yes” on the version with no restrictions, while 30 percent said they would “definitely vote yes” on the version with a viability restriction. The results were particularly pronounced among Democrats and women of reproductive age (ages 18 to 44), who were much more likely to support the version of the amendment without restrictions.

The government has zero business regulating or treating abortion any differently than any other medical procedure.

 

[DaddysYogaBabyGirl]

What I'm about to is is going to make everybody very angry, and I apologize for the offense you will be taking from it. I am not trolling. I am serious, and would like for you to seriously consider the value of lives that are not your own.

The child, fetus, embryo is it's own distinct human being from conception, scientifically speaking. Heart function can be detected on ultrasound in approx. 26 days, which is when the medical definition of life comes into play. When a human's heartbeat stops they are medically dead but not scientifically dead and when performing CPR you are bringing them back from medical death. The child's body is NOT your body, but their own, and they form a symbiotic relationship with the host, assisting in the survivability of both.

I am an abolitionist, which is different from being "pro-life." I am in favor of the immediate criminalization of all forms of abortion by constitutional amendments, both in states and federally. My religion doesn't explicitly teach me that embryos are human persons, although it does teach me to care about defending the defenseless.

In the mother/child relationship the mother has all the power. Mothers can voice their opinion, vote, choose to get pregnant, choose to avoid sex, use money for medical treatments, move their bodies freely to move towards or away from whatever they wish. The child has no voice, no vote, no power of his or her genesis, no ability to protest. At present, children need to be protected from the violence of their mothers who refuse to recognize them as human beings.

My mother had an abortion because her birth control failed. She explained to me her son would have been mentally disabled, so she figuratively backed the car up and finished the job. Her choice to slaughter my sibling for the sake of her own cowardice and convenience disgusts me. Arguably, she never would have met my father and given birth to me if she hadn't had that abortion. Maybe after reading this some of you wish I had never been born, too. I assure you, if she had found it expedient, she would have snuffed me out, too. Most people are primarily concerned with themselves and hide the horror of their hearts behind euphemisms.

If you're thinking about having an abortion, you don't have to. PM me and I'll give you help so you won't make the same mistake so many women make. Children are a blessing, sometimes.

Wow.. spoken like a true man who doesn't care about health risks. Simply black or white and if it kills the woman -- who cares!? As long has the baby has its fetus rights. Good on you.

I bet you're the same kind of man who believes that if a woman gets her face bashed in and her vagina ripped open through a violent rape, and the man's sperm breeds her -- she must KEEP the baby which was NOT of her asking or doing. Forced upon her. You believe that she is just the incubating HOST of the impregnating?

As a devout Christian daughter of God I don't believe in abortion -- however, I know there are cases where it can mean life or death of the mother. And if you believe that the woman should die, then this "pro-life" spew leaves you without credibility. Pro-life means just that. EVERY human being has the right to live. If the mother dies then there is no mother AND no baby.

And you allow the vile rapists to go find another innocent vagina to breed through his control and violence. Typical man!!

 

[v_indigo]

The Democrats didn't introduce federal legislation to codify Roe v Wade, even when they controlled both houses of congress. Biden also fetishizes the filibuster, like all the careerist bureaucrats on Capitol Hill who never want anything to get done that really matters to ordinary people

They’ve never been brave enough to do anything they didn’t absolutely know for sure would pass.
But they also never thought we’d see a SCOTUS that gave no fucks for precedent.

 

[adrina]

The American public slept on it too. We can point all the fingers we want at the government. But it wasn't just them. When almost 45% of eligible voters never vote, and when those who do vote can't be bothered for anything except for the generals and midterms.... there's a lot of guilt to go around.

In a government made "of, by and for the people", the people need to step up. They didn't. Will they in the future? After Roe fell, voter turnout for the midterms went down.

Blame the government by all means. It's easier. But it's only half the equation.

 

[v_indigo]

The American public slept on it too. We can point all the fingers we want at the government. But it wasn't just them. When almost 45% of eligible voters never vote, and when those who do vote can't be bothered for anything except for the generals and midterms.... there's a lot of guilt to go around.

In a government made "of, by and for the people", the people need to step up. They didn't. Will they in the future? After Roe fell, voter turnout for the midterms went down.

Blame the government by all means. It's easier. But it's only half the equation.

Fair.
And state governments are equally an issue, and one Dems tend to ignore. Gerrymandering has made a huge mess of things.

 

[Dribble]

The American public slept on it too. We can point all the fingers we want at the government. But it wasn't just them. When almost 45% of eligible voters never vote, and when those who do vote can't be bothered for anything except for the generals and midterms.... there's a lot of guilt to go around.

In a government made "of, by and for the people", the people need to step up. They didn't. Will they in the future? After Roe fell, voter turnout for the midterms went down.

Blame the government by all means. It's easier. But it's only half the equation.

You can keep blaming those that don't vote all you want. Take a statistics class some day. Focus on sampling. Those that don't vote are not mostly "Democrat leaning". But this information is freely available. It is just like you blaming Sanders supporters for Trump's win. Nothing I can say will change a closed mind.

 

[adrina]

You can keep blaming those that don't vote all you want. Take a statistics class some day. Focus on sampling. Those that don't vote are not mostly "Democrat leaning". But this information is freely available. It is just like you blaming Sanders supporters for Trump's win. Nothing I can say will change a closed mind.

Yeah we know, people have to be cajoled to by the gym owner to work out. The Target CEO personally calls on them to shop. The farming industry leaders have to send care packages to people to get them to eat a vegetable.

Fuck off. If you want to make the same goddamn argument each time you better figure out a way to actually address it. The reality is that the American citizenry are acting like children. It's not up to the adults to get adults to take care of themselves. That's what adults do with children.

 

[adrina]

Fair.
And state governments are equally an issue, and one Dems tend to ignore. Gerrymandering has made a huge mess of things.

The single biggest cause of disenfranchisement is self disenfranchisement through aggressive anti voting propaganda campaigns.

 

[RandyRebecca]

They’ve never been brave enough to do anything they didn’t absolutely know for sure would pass.
But they also never thought we’d see a SCOTUS that gave no fucks for precedent.

Well now the SCOTUS dares, and we have got to dare to stop them. The Democrats would just sell us out again with more dodgy deals and not getting anything done, while the Republicans just carry on with their batshit crazy conservative nonsense.

 

[jaF0]

Here's my position.

What's between Doctor and patient should remain that way. HIPAA should be near absolute, only opened by court order where relevant in criminal case.

Any procedure approved by the AMA and other various professional organizations should be legal in all states, without restriction. Politicians should not be making laws regarding medicine.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Here's my position.

What's between Doctor and patient should remain that way.

That's what most Republicans used to think until the mid-late 1970s. A Gallup poll in 1972 had 68% of Republicans being pro-choice, mostly with an attitude of "It's between the woman and her doctor, and nothing to do with any government", while 59% of Democrats were pro-choice, mostly with an attitude of "it should be the woman's right to choose".

Somewhere along the line, escalating in 1976 when Ronald Reagan was trying to beat President Gerald Ford to the Republican nomination for president, Reagan's conservative supporters managed to force an anti-abortion position onto the Republican platform even as Ford narrowly defeated Reagan to the nomination. Jimmy Carter, the 1976 Democratic nominee for president, was the first one to bring in the evangelicals as a mass voting base, winning their vote pretty decisively against Ford. When Ford lost the 1976 presidential election to Carter, it just energized all the conservatives and evangelicals. Carter lost the evangelical vote in 1980 to Reagan very BIG. Ever since, the GOP has pandered to the conservative evangelicals, who just get more and more emboldened over time, since they never get pushed back much by Republican or Democratic politicians..

 

[jaF0]

It's not pro-choice or pro-life or anti anything.


It just simply is not a place for politicians, churches, activists or really even family.

 

[RandyRebecca]

It's not pro-choice or pro-life or anti anything.


It just simply is not a place for politicians, churches, activists or really even family.

It is pro-choice. In other words, even if one is personally anti-abortion morally and hates it, they can still agree that legally it should be a personal matter between the woman and her doctor.

I keep saying that a pro-choice position allows everyone to follow their conscience. Those who oppose abortion morally don't have one, and those who want an abortion can have one. The anti-choice people force their beliefs onto other people who do not share their anti-abortion views or their views on restrictions.

 

[adrina]

Well now the SCOTUS dares, and we have got to dare to stop them. The Democrats would just sell us out again with more dodgy deals and not getting anything done, while the Republicans just carry on with their batshit crazy conservative nonsense.

If the democratic party let us down, the people of the United States let us down more. The non and laissez faire voters would sell us all out for a wide screen TV and a new car.

Again, almost 45% of eligible voters NEVER VOTE. EVER.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686760999225823232

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686762299338498049

 

[ll74]

The State I live in may have half a dozen PP clinics (Max, maybe less.) and that is the same number prior to Roe being overturned. There are a lot more than six Counties. Mental health services may not be available in EVERY County but certainly not far away. Maybe I am misreading this data. Not sure what to make of it.

Not all PP clinics provide abortion services.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688602041411653632

 

[jaF0]

Waiting to see what Ohio does today.

 

[jaF0]

Estimates around 30% at polls and massive early voting which they say in unusual for a one issue special election.

No hint yet on which way though.

 

[adrina]

Estimates around 30% at polls and massive early voting which they say in unusual for a one issue special election.

No hint yet on which way though.

Good turnout for a special. At 30% that's double than normal. An improvement.

Hopefully people are finally figuring out that voting really does matter.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not all PP clinics provide abortion services.

Doesn't matter that they don't provide abortion services...conservative media has drummed the idea that they do into their smooth brains, and they've internalized it as a "fact".

 

[ll74]

Issue 1 fails. By a large margin

 

[Rotadom]

 

[butters]

Ohioans did not explicitly vote on abortion rights on Tuesday. Regardless, they sent a major rebuke to key state Republican leaders as they rejected an effort to get ahead of a November abortion vote.

Not long after 8 p.m., just a half hour after polls closed, margins were so lopsided that Decision Desk HQ and the Columbus Dispatch projected that voters would reject the proposed amendment.

The hastily-scheduled special election on Issue 1 was about whether to increase the threshold necessary to amend the state's constitution. The timing and even the comments of some Republicans made clear it was about abortion, though. Specifically, conservatives wanted to deal a potentially lethal blow to an abortion rights amendment before voters even consider it this November. It failed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=e056910a2a654c53f33b0e4e49194211&ei=43

 

[jaF0]

Shudda bin 75-80%