Do you own your body?

[adrina]

Belated Happy Mother’s Day

You don't care about mothers.

Fuck off liar.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Win? Hardly. By mid summer women will be subcitizens and a slave to any fetus in her uterus.

Fuck off. I have no nice words or patience for civility to fanatical liars who only want to control everyone else regardless of the harm it will cause.

If women don't flock to the polls and vote blue no matter who I'm completely out of pity for anything that happens to them. I'm done.

 

[AlexBailey]

By the new GOP rules, hetero-sex is only for those who want more children. Everyone else can get sterilized, go homosexual, or go anal.

 

[windar]

Our Constitution, our system of government, abortion legislation, judicial precedent, the moral and ethical divide over abortion, etc. I don’t mind being called a liar for pointing out these realities.

They aren't realities. The 9th amendment and the laws on abortion at the time the Constitution was written and ratified are all things you chose to ignore. Does that make you a liar? I'll be charitable and just say you are ignorant.

 

[adrina]

If women don't flock to the polls and vote blue no matter who I'm completely out of pity for anything that happens to them. I'm done.

It's not just women. And while I understand your point, it's all of us. You have women in your life and we will all share the economic fallout for this bullshit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's not just women. And while I understand your point, it's all of us. You have women in your life and we will all share the economic fallout for this bullshit.

Actually its been a long time since I've had females in my life. I've done my part and while it is all of us when it comes to voting this is something that directly affects women's autonomy. If they don't give a shit I'm tired of playing the White Knight Sisyphus.

 

[adrina]

Actually its been a long time since I've had females in my life. I've done my part and while it is all of us when it comes to voting this is something that directly affects women's autonomy. If they don't give a shit I'm tired of playing the White Knight Sisyphus.

Honestly, the only voting bloc beyond reproach is black women. They knew what to do.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

They aren't realities. The 9th amendment and the laws on abortion at the time the Constitution was written and ratified are all things you chose to ignore. Does that make you a liar? I'll be charitable and just say you are ignorant.

There were no written statutes addressing abortion at the time the Constitution was ratified. Common law allowed it up until fetal movement could be detected (aka “quickening”, generally 15-20 weeks) but nothing was on the books. Laws started being enacted in the 1820s and by the turn of the century it was illegal in every state. Some of those laws even allowed prosecution of women who had the abortion.

The 9th amendment was not written with any abortion context. It simply says:

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The purpose was to address concerns that some might think that rights retained by the people which are not enumerated in the Bill of Rights don’t exist.

These are facts. No constitutional right to abortion existed until SCOTUS created one out of whole cloth in 1973. Even that that right came with an expiration period.

Joining the name calling chorus will not bolster your argument. Come back with facts next time.

 

[colddiesel]

For those on the right who look to the Constitution for guidance, it is worthwhile remembering that the "sainted framers," including the third President regularly impregnated their female slaves so that the resulting children, and their mothers could be sold at a profit.

 

[icanhelp1]

Amendment IX​

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The Constitution is a floor on rights NOT a ceiling!

If you have a real understanding of the vaguest statement in the constitution then your ahead of most judges and constitutional scholars

The most ambiguous amendment in the constitution. Its original intent was in relation to federalism and the right to self and local governance. It's become a cover and justification for activist judges to use, for example, the implied right to privacy which originates from a constitutional *penumbra* and uses the 9th amendment to include or arbitrarily define rights not specified in the constitution. Casey vs PP is an example of the court connecting the right to privacy to the 9th A where the right to privacy is not mentioned in the constitution, neither is abortion.

Roe vs Wade was an example of activist judges using the 9th in their decision concerning abortion, skirting the gray area of an implied right to privacy using the 14th A to tie in abortion to be included a women's right to privacy then followed by a women's undue burden

There were no written statutes addressing abortion at the time the Constitution was ratified. Common law allowed it up until fetal movement could be detected (aka “quickening”, generally 15-20 weeks) but nothing was on the books. Laws started being enacted in the 1820s and by the turn of the century it was illegal in every state. Some of those laws even allowed prosecution of women who had the abortion.

The 9th amendment was not written with any abortion context. It simply says:

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The purpose was to address concerns that some might think that rights retained by the people which are not enumerated in the Bill of Rights don’t exist.

These are facts. No constitutional right to abortion existed until SCOTUS created one out of whole cloth in 1973. Even that that right came with an expiration period.

Joining the name calling chorus will not bolster your argument. Come back with facts next time.

I’ve mentioned all of that earlier. I was going to go one step further and explain how the 9th and 14th amendments tied into each other and how they were used to rule on R v W. Fuck ‘‘em this abortion shit is getting old.

 

[windar]

Come back with facts next time.

Fact: Passing laws will not stop abortions, just drive them underground and make them less safe. just as the drug laws have been a disaster resulting in over 100,000 deaths just last year. There is nothing left to discuss here, because you don't care about the realities of the world. Goodbye!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I

If you have a real understanding of the vagues statement in the constitution then your ahead of most judges and constitutional scholars

The most ambiguous amendment in the constitution. Its original intent was in relation to federalism and the right to self and local governance. It's become a cover and justification for activist judges to use, for example, the implied right to privacy which originates from a constitutional *penumbra* and uses the 9th amendment to include or arbitrarily define rights not specified in the constitution. Casey vs PP is an example of the court connecting the right to privacy to the 9th A where the right to privacy is not mentioned in the constitution, neither is abortion.

Roe vs Wade was an example of activist judges using the 9th in their decision concerning abortion, skirting the gray area of an implied right to privacy using the 14th A to tie in abortion to be included a women's right to privacy then followed by a women's undue burden

I’ve mentioned all of that earlier. I was going to go one step further and explain how the 9th and 14th amendments tied into each other and how they were used to rule on R v W. Fuck ‘‘em this abortion shit is getting old.

If you present them with verifiable facts you will be called a “liar.” Lol

 

[Sean Renaud]

Honestly, the only voting bloc beyond reproach is black women. They knew what to do.

They were already doing it for a lot of other reasons.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Fact: Passing laws will not stop abortions, just drive them underground and make them less safe. just as the drug laws have been a disaster resulting in over 100,000 deaths just last year. There is nothing left to discuss here, because you don't care about the realities of the world. Goodbye!

You have me confused with someone else. I never said passing laws will stop abortions. As I’ve noted in other posts, we’re already witnessing a boom in interstate abortion tourism.

 

[icanhelp1]

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If you present them with verifiable facts you will be called a “liar.” Lol

Especially by Adrina, forget having a civil discussion. If you have a different point of view you’re hysterical and a liar. The final ruling hasn’t even been released yet, summer is almost here just in time for riot season. LMFAO

 

[Sean Renaud]

You have me confused with someone else. I never said passing laws will stop abortions. As I’ve noted in other posts, we’re already witnessing a boom in interstate abortion tourism.

But it hasn't kicked into full gear. I'm curious how much we'll see an uptick in deaths.

 

[adrina]

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If you present them with verifiable facts you will be called a “liar.” Lol

Especially by Adrina, forget having a civil discussion. If you have a different point of view you’re hysterical and a liar. The final ruling hasn’t even been released yet, summer is almost here just in time for riot season. LMFAO

Lying birds of a feather flock and lie together.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

For those on the right who look to the Constitution for guidance, it is worthwhile remembering that the "sainted framers," including the third President regularly impregnated their female slaves so that the resulting children, and their mothers could be sold at a profit.

b-b-buh-but informing people of the verity over the Framers and Fathers of America indulging in the very systemic racism/sexism they purposefully built into America is called CRT and that's a no-no because it makes some people feel vewwy vewwy bad about their sainted heroes.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Especially by Adrina, forget having a civil discussion. If you have a different point of view you’re hysterical and a liar. The final ruling hasn’t even been released yet, summer is almost here just in time for riot season. LMFAO

When the decision is released, how will she explain it to her cat?

 

[ll74]

The founders didn't care about women. Or blacks.

Which is why neither is mentioned

Fun fact: they didn't care about fetuses either

 

[AlexBailey]

The founders didn't care about women. Or blacks.

Which is why neither is mentioned

Fun fact: they didn't care about fetuses either

They also didn't care about 'firearms' nor medical care, but back then they didn't know what germs were either...

 

[icanhelp1]

The founders didn't care about women. Or blacks.

Which is why neither is mentioned

Fun fact: they didn't care about fetuses either

You’re uninformed.

 

[ll74]

You’re uninformed.

Feel free to quote where women are mentioned in the Constitution

 

[LittleDixie]

Can I just make an imperfect analogy here? Suppose I own a boat and I am out on the ocean doing my boat thing. I see a person in the ocean that is treading water and in need of rescue. I pick them up and they are now on my boat.

Do I have the right to kill them? Under what circumstances would you argue that I should be entitled to throw them overboard?

 

[adrina]

Can I just make an imperfect analogy here? Suppose I own a boat and I am out on the ocean doing my boat thing. I see a person in the ocean that is treading water and in need of rescue. I pick them up and they are now on my boat.

Do I have the right to kill them? Under what circumstances would you argue that I should be entitled to throw them overboard?

Yeah cuz a boat and a human body are totally the same thing. Holy shit woman. That's just idiocy.

I would say however that if they threaten your life or safety then you may defend yourself. Much like if a fetus was in your uterus and you didn't want it there.