Do you go to hell if you commit suicide?

[Guest]

Even if the pain is unbearable? Is emotional pain and hopelessness worth less than physical pain? (thinking of kevorkian where assisted suicides are justified).

I have a plan for later but I'm not sure because I really don't want to go to hell and suffer even more. No one knows I guess so it's a chance I'll have to take. It couldn't be worse than the hell on this earth.

Sorry this is really grim. Not interested in lectures, sympathy, anyone telling me how selfish and stupid I am. I know all that. It's really too late for pep talks.

Also anyone know if over the counter sleeping pills taken with alcohol will do it? I'd really hate to just fuck up my brain yet still be alive.

 

[*bratcat*]

 

[Nora]

If you believe in Christian dogma, then yes you go to hell if you commit suicide.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

I know these words...actually, I've been only a step shy of saying them. Hell and Heaven most likely don't exist (sorry to piss on anyone's religious pamphlets or to dent anyone's Jesus Fish), but if they do, I'm pretty sure suicide is the only unforgivable sin. Don't quote me, cause religion is clearly not my thing, but I'd bet if there's a God and Hell and all that, you're pretty much screwed if you try it.
In all honesty, see a counselor. No lecture of accusation. people have problems.
Just see a counselor.

 

[Laurel]

I don't believe in the whole hell thing, but I will say (and probably be flamed) that people who commit suicide are dumbasses.

If you're so unhappy that death seems like the only answer and you don't care about anything else, don't kill yourself. Instead, do something REALLY crazy...like pack your stuff into a backpack and go on a walking tour of your country. Or sell everything yoou own and fly to another country. Go back to school, or quit school. Quit your job and become a train hobo. ANYTHING.

Life is precious and unique. Pain - emotional, physical, whatever - is transitory and can be overcome. You CAN be happy. Don't deny yourself that chance. Trust me. The first 18 years of my life were hell, and many times I had the same thoughts as you...but I stuck it out because I knew there was something better. And there was. Nowadays, I'm hysterically happy.

Figure out what's causing the pain, and fix it. Is it family? Friends? Work? Do you just have this overwhelming feeling of hopelessness that you can't control? If so, talk to your doctor. Seriously. The best people in the world have that feeling, and it's easily treatable.

But don't off yourself. Please.

PM me if you wanna talk.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Didn't you ever see Dogma (You might want to before you kick off. It might turn it all around for you)

Suicide is a mortal sin, if you die with a mortal sin on your soul you go straight to hell and you stay there.

It's the one thing you can't ask forgiveness for.

 

[intrigued]

*bratcat*...very nice post.

When you get right down to it, who really knows? Its a chance you take, but I'll tell you this. I too have been there, and I PROMISE you, this life is a gift. You can't see it at the moment, and thats the whole point, this moment will pass, and things can change. Please, please get help. There is help, even for you. Please, please don't do this.

 

[JazzManJim]

If you believe in Christian dogma, then yes you go to hell if you commit suicide.

Not true (same for bratcat)....

According to the Catholics and those which believe in Mortal and Venial sins, those who commit suicide will not go to Heaven.

Not all Christian faiths hold that view, though - notably those which are Protestant (the Baptists, etc).

Not that I'm advocating suicide. I'm not. I happen to believe it a rather cowardly way out of doing some truly hard, human, work. It's just not an "auto-hell" sin among the Protestants.

 

[LadyG]

I think anyone that makes a post like this is reaching out for help.

If you really wanted to kill yourself that badly, you would do it without asking for opinions on hell or anything else. It wouldn't matter.

You need to seek help and by asking and posting about it, I think you've taken the first step.

 

[stargirl32]

I don't believe in the whole hell thing, but I will say (and probably be flamed) that people who commit suicide are dumbasses.

If you're so unhappy that death seems like the only answer and you don't care about anything else, don't kill yourself. Instead, do something REALLY crazy...like pack your stuff into a backpack and go on a walking tour of your country. Or sell everything yoou own and fly to another country. Go back to school, or quit school. Quit your job and become a train hobo. ANYTHING.

Life is precious and unique. Pain - emotional, physical, whatever - is transitory and can be overcome. You CAN be happy. Don't deny yourself that chance. Trust me. The first 18 years of my life were hell, and many times I had the same thoughts as you...but I stuck it out because I knew there was something better. And there was. Nowadays, I'm hysterically happy.

Figure out what's causing the pain, and fix it. Is it family? Friends? Work? Do you just have this overwhelming feeling of hopelessness that you can't control? If so, talk to your doctor. Seriously. The best people in the world have that feeling, and it's easily treatable.

But don't off yourself. Please.


pm me if you wanna talk.

damn good advice babe
as some one whos been on the other side of the coin,.. suicide leaves the ones left behind in an abess ,, we have no idea he did it ,, whatwas the thing that pushed him over the edge ,,, mybrother had to pass the turning to mmy house to get to the place he then sat in his car drinking whisky from the bottle then connected the hose pipe through the window ,,, ,,, to this day ,, i am not sure if iam angry or sad when i think of him ,, i know i loved him,, still do ,, i say think about whats left behind befoe y ou think about what your damed to do ,...

 

[Quiet_Cool]

If you're so unhappy that death seems like the only answer and you don't care about anything else, don't kill yourself. Instead, do something REALLY crazy...like pack your stuff into a backpack and go on a walking tour of your country. Or sell everything yoou own and fly to another country. Go back to school, or quit school. Quit your job and become a train hobo. ANYTHING.

Life is precious and unique. Pain - emotional, physical, whatever - is transitory and can be overcome. You CAN be happy. Don't deny yourself that chance.

Figure out what's causing the pain, and fix it. Is it family? Friends? Work? Do you just have this overwhelming feeling of hopelessness that you can't control? If so, talk to your doctor. Seriously. The best people in the world have that feeling, and it's easily treatable.

Laurel...is there anything she can't do?

She's got the idea right here...once you get this whole death and hopeless thing in your head, it's hard to get rid of, especially when you're looking for it.

I think the point in what Laurel was saying (not that she didn't make it clear) is that you should look in a different, less final direction than you are. Even if it doesn't work, is trying it gonna hurt anything. You can kill yourself a few years down the road as easily as today.

 

[HeavyStick]

yes you go to hell, unless you're in a cult and buy black nike sneakers and rent a mansion in San Diego.

 

[Rhys]

I am probably gonna get flamed for this. I don't care.

Suicide is the ultimate act of pure selfishness. Its the most dramatic act of pure attention getting and ingratitude. Life is a gift, an extremely precious gift, and to piss it away by offing yourself is an act of total cowardice. Life is to be lived, with all the pain and suffering that goes with it. There are no problems that are insurremountable, only the ones we think that are.

That is then the problem. If you think you want to kill yourself, that there is no way out for you, then please talk to someone. I believe that there is no heaven and no hell, only that which you make. So, just as you are sitting in your hopelessness and despair, so can you be fantastically happy. The problem of depression is that feeling of having no control over your life, and no ability or inclination to do anything about it. But, as dark as it may seem to you, it is fixable. There is a reason you are here with us on this earth. You should talk to someone and find that reason. You are not alone. All of us at sometime or other have considered putting a gun to our heads and pulling the trigger.

I ask you not to kill yourself not on any basis of doctrine, but because each one of us is unique and we weave a tapestry in the threads of living. To cut short your thread would be a waste.

 

[Laurel]

yes you go to hell, unless you're in a cult and buy black nike sneakers and rent a mansion in San Diego.

Then you get to hitch a ride on a comet.

I agree with LadyGuinivere. The fact that you came here means that in your heart, you want to live. Do what's right. Seek help if necessary.

Q_C - I adore your av.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Q_C - I adore your av.

Thanx.
It's really me y'know...
Really...
I'm truly THAT sexy!

 

[intrigued]

I am probably gonna get flamed for this. I don't care.

Suicide is the ultimate act of pure selfishness. Its the most dramatic act of pure attention getting and ingratitude. Life is a gift, an extremely precious gift, and to piss it away by offing yourself is an act of total cowardice. Life is to be lived, with all the pain and suffering that goes with it. There are no problems that are insurremountable, only the ones we think that are.

That is then the problem. If you think you want to kill yourself, that there is no way out for you, then please talk to someone. I believe that there is no heaven and no hell, only that which you make. So, just as you are sitting in your hopelessness and despair, so can you be fantastically happy. The problem of depression is that feeling of having no control over your life, and no ability or inclination to do anything about it. But, as dark as it may seem to you, it is fixable. There is a reason you are here with us on this earth. You should talk to someone and find that reason. You are not alone. All of us at sometime or other have considered putting a gun to our heads and pulling the trigger.

I ask you not to kill yourself not on any basis of doctrine, but because each one of us is unique and we weave a tapestry in the threads of living. To cut short your thread would be a waste.

This is is no way flameable...this is excellent.

 

[*bratcat*]

 

[LadyG]

I hope this isn't someone just playing a joke, because that would be extremely sad, to seek attention this way.

 

[Laurel]

Also anyone know if over the counter sleeping pills taken with alcohol will do it? I'd really hate to just fuck up my brain yet still be alive.

My schizo sister has tried that several times. Results have varied from waking up and feeling like utter shit for days and days to having her stomach pumped while seizuring. Not recommended.

 

[Marxist]

Not only do you go to Hell, but you've got sit in the waiting room for like 9,000,999,333,888,567,009 years.


My dad's definiton of a problem:

Does it require a DOCTOR, A LAWYER, OR A PRIEST?

No? Then buck up and deal with it. You'll look back and smile someday.

Yes? Have you talked with one or all three?



And remember the most important thing about suicide: You don't get to look back at all the people mourning you (passive-aggressive). You simply don't exist anymore.

 

[LadyG]

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that Laurel. That must be hell on the family. That's why I agree that suicide or attempts are selfish because they wreck havoc on families and friends.

 

[intrigued]

I hope this isn't someone just playing a joke, because that would be extremely sad, to seek attention this way.

Thats not the point, the point, the beauty, is what is happening...our reactions are honest, either way.

Aside from that, they are unregistered, and receiving attention as "unregistered". So be it.

 

[LadyG]

I disagree. If someone would stoop low enough to post something like this as a way to get attention, then our reactions mean nothing.

As for getting attention as "unregistered", I see a lot of "unregistered" posts here that get attention, so obviously the author's get off on it whether it's by posting that way or with a name.

 

[intrigued]

I disagree. If someone would stoop low enough to post something like this as a way to get attention, then our reactions mean nothing.

As for getting attention as "unregistered", I see a lot of "unregistered" posts here that get attention, so obviously the author's get off on it whether it's by posting that way or with a name.

But if they arent, then our words/actions could mean everything.....

 

[Guest]

Certainly not a joke or an attempt to get attention. I am truly in pain and I'm so sick of it. I understand why you might think that but it's no joke.

yes i'm bloody selfish because i have children and i know they would suffer as a result, but would it be worse than living with a mother who is unstable and depressed. i would rather die than lose my kids and if i seek help and say i'm suicidal my kids will be taken, so round and round we go.

i'm not so morbid that i can't see the humor in some of your replies and i thank you all.it's natural human desire to reach out to help others even if you don't know them. the point is i have thought so much about this for many years and then it goes away for awhile. but it always comes back and each time worse.

it's cowardly and pathetic. i may not do anything tonight, i'm thinking i can't go thru with it yet.

i will not pm anyone and reveal myself,, that would push me over the edge, thank you anyway.