Do you ever see strangers in the street, wearing goth make-up.....

[janettt5]

leather, pvc and wonder if they are into BDSM?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Nope, I assume they are either part of the Gothic or vampiric counter-culture. Why? Should i start wondering???

lil girl

 

[catalina_francisco]

leather, pvc and wonder if they are into BDSM?

No, figure they are goth or just into making a fashion statement.

C

 

[BlueSugar]

leather, pvc and wonder if they are into BDSM?

well, no... but then i look at the outfit and jewerly and iiimagine what they would look like sub/dom in the outfit

 

[Howling_Ire]

hahahahhahahaahhaahhaahahahahhahahahahha

from personal experince, most of them think they are, but really aren't...

 

[James G 5]

During of the last events at which I presented, there was a young Gothy lesbian couple strolling the room visiting vendor tables. The fem half of the pair was wearing a very noticeable collar, more noticeable for being NOT gaudy at all, and having some sort of tag that had been deliberately tucked in. My table was closest to the exit, and they approached to sample my wares. As they were about to leave, I got a break with no one else in earshot, and I leaned forward a bit to say "Excuse me ladies, I realize this is a personal question, but I was wondering if that collar is just for show"
The young lady did this :
Then she looked at her butch friend, who smiled & nodded
The young lady went and said "No, it isn't"
I thanked them, wished them a good evening, and they walked off, the young lady still and her partner

Was one of my more entertaining evenings LOL

 

[Goddess Helena]

I am another one who assumes they are part of counter-culture or sub-culture.

Interesting post, James. Beautiful collars are always worth a closer look, I think.


Helena

 

[His Precious]

Never gave that look a second thought, I always just assumed it was their look of preference.

 

[SweetDommes]

leather, pvc and wonder if they are into BDSM?

This might be just us, but we both always have an overwhelming urge to grab hold of the d/o ring (whichever they have on their collar) and ask the little punks if they know what they are really used for ... and on occation, we just want to take them home with us "come here little boy ... we have treats" *grin*

 

[Krinaia]

Re: Re: Do you ever see strangers in the street, wearing goth make-up.....

This might be just us, but we both always have an overwhelming urge to grab hold of the d/o ring (whichever they have on their collar) and ask the little punks if they know what they are really used for ... and on occation, we just want to take them home with us "come here little boy ... we have treats" *grin*

you two are so weird.


see i see goth and i feel no association with it whatsoever. i have rarely if ever assumed that goth implied bdsm. but i can see where a lot of people make that mistake


and a lot of items can be used in place of a collar. velvet choker, braclets, armband ... it's the symbolism behond why he/she is wearing it and not that she has a spiked collar around her neck and green goop in her hair.

 

[SweetDommes]

We know ... but there's just something about boys in collars >

 

[SweetDommes]

(last post was from Holly - here's my next 2 cents )
I know that there is no automatic association between goth and BDSM, but when they have the 3- or 5- ring collars on, I just wonder if they know what they are for? Or if the silly little things think that they are just to make the collar "interesting". Some of them, I just feel the need to be mean to because they act like they are so tough or whatever, and I want to show them that they aren't (and yeah, I can usually tell the ones who DO know what the collars are for & I wouldn't bother them).

-Miss Karen

 

[Arkontheroof]

There are cross-overs between "subcultures" or "interest groups". Think about it.

Who is more likely to be into motorbikes - a metal fan or an urban music fan?

Who is more likely to be into model railways - a trainspotter, or a bird watcher?

Who is more likely to be in the anti-war vanguard trying to throw eggs at Dubya - an anti-capitalist or a BNP/fascist?

I think that statistically you'd find a MUCH higher % of people with a goth/vamp aesthetic are into BDSM than you'd find amongst skate kids, fans of "country clothing", or whatever. But it isn't gonna be a high enough % to start making assumptions.

Just my 2penneth.

 

[Krinaia]

There are cross-overs between "subcultures" or "interest groups". Think about it.

Who is more likely to be into motorbikes - a metal fan or an urban music fan?

Who is more likely to be into model railways - a trainspotter, or a bird watcher?

Who is more likely to be in the anti-war vanguard trying to throw eggs at Dubya - an anti-capitalist or a BNP/fascist?

I think that statistically you'd find a MUCH higher % of people with a goth/vamp aesthetic are into BDSM than you'd find amongst skate kids, fans of "country clothing", or whatever. But it isn't gonna be a high enough % to start making assumptions.

Just my 2penneth.

GOOD POINT

 

[A Desert Rose]

leather, pvc and wonder if they are into BDSM?

Yes, they are all over LasVegas... mostly younger people, though. I don't see many over 30-people dressed like that.

 

[Netzach]

There are over 30 urban crustee punks with facial tatoos havin' babies all over town here. Of course, whether they are into BDSM is anyone's guess but you HAVE to be a fucking maso to have that much ink, case closed.

Goth kids I have no personal urge to take down. They are generally pussies, the nicest sweetest little groups of nerdy neo-pre-raphaelite geeks. My ex, who I am friends with, has consistently warned me that if I got into SM I'd start liking goth stuff and listening to NIN and, worse, Rob Zombie or some shit.
I think they know what the collar means to SM people, I just don't think they feel a need to be worried that someone might think it means that.

Besides, weren't old school punks wearing those collars back when Vi Johnson was cutting her vampire fangs in NYC?

I have 2 tone burgundy and black ragged Joan Jett hair now, but I definitely still prefer Archers of Loaf and The Magnetic Fields and Will Oldham to things Industrial.

 

[Krinaia]

There is one "goth" kid in our studio ... for him it's a political/social statement rather than one of sexuality. We all just wish he'd wear shoes. <sigh>


I imagine the goth kids we see in the midwest are pale in comparison to those of NYC. ammre gave an interesting link recently that had some beautiful photography of goth models - some of the photos have a definite undertone of bdsm.


I however, stick to my claim that when I see someone looking goth, I'm less likely to assume they are in the lifestyle than if I see a regular looking person with an out of place velvet choker around their neck. Because it isn't a part of the "normal" costume - it stands out and makes me question why they are wearing it. For the gothic folk, I understand the dog collars are part of the uniform (sometimes) so I don't make the assumptions that they are in the lifestyle though I do understand that they do have a great chance of having those cross-overs.

 

[serijules]

I have gotten to the point that unless I am playing with someone, I don't assume they are into BDSM, LOL. I was at The Leather Rose in chicago one year, and there was this couple, all decked out in leather, she had a collar with a leash that he was leading, etc. I asked her about her collar, it had rhinestones inbedded in it which I think it gorgeous, and we were talking about collars for a bit. I asked her something about how long she had been collared and called her "his sub" or something to that effect, and she got this horrified look on her face and said "oh no, I'm not into all this stuff like the other people here, our friends dragged us along and we thought it would be fun to dress the part!" ugh....

The other day in Walmart though, I was getting some fabric cut and the girl that was cutting it was at least in her 30's, she was wearing a leather collar, and it looked pretty, well, worn, as if she wore it often. I did have to kind of wonder, since other than that, she didn't look particularily gothy...no heavy makeup, no peircings, fairly nice hairstyle. Now I'm sure much of that had to do with Walmarts dress code, but she just really didn't have the gothy look about her...and if she wasn't "dressing the part", why would she wear just the collar? That kind of stuck in my mind.

 

[hurtme]

hmmm...I am a little offended, so I have to speak up, for my "culture" if nothing else. It may be uncool to do so (at least to other goths) but that is how I consider myself...I am not playing at anything, this is my life, and it has been for 6 plus years...I am not growing out of it, I am not a whiny little pussy, and I am not acting tough. Of course, being a walking cliche is kind of draining...so I am a little over senstive to the fact (I would be so ungoth if I wasn't overly sensitive and dramatic). We haev gotten a bad rap, if no one else has noticed, as I have with horror, I assure you, it is suddenly popular to goth out...I saw a leather collar with spikes (real spikes, incidentally, I saw one with actual o rings there as well) when I was shopping with my friends daughter in a store called Claires in the mall, and if you have never been, it looks like some big fluffy sparkly pink animal went in there and shat itself to death...I go to a favorite goth club once or twice a week, and I see the children playing pretend with their white face paint and crow inspired make-up job (never done very well to boot, let me say). I won't make excuses for all of us, except to say some of us aren't playing, and we do in fact, know what the collar we are wearing means, even if we don't have an owner on the other end...

PS, yes I do see the humor, and I am laughing my ass off even as I write this...

 

[serijules]

I'm admittedly ignorant, I have no clue what "real goth" is all about, to me it is just a bunch of teenagers trying to look like badasses or something...anyone care to enlighten me?

 

[hurtme]

hmm...I won't say I am the authority, but I will be happy to enlighten you a bit, if no one else wishes to speak up first and take the spotlight...

 

[Netzach]

I didn't mean pussies like chicken hearted, I meant more like sooooo not actually scary.

A lot of people see darkness and get antsy, but I've found people in the subculture to be exceptionally mellow and sweet, in contrast to the edgy thorny projections.

 

[catalina_francisco]

hmmm...I am a little offended, so I have to speak up, for my "culture" if nothing else.

My daughter was very into the goth scene for many years, and still is to a big extent but not as much as she would like now. Master has a friend who works in one of the best goth hangouts in Amsterdam ( http://www.legendz.nl/ ....the first one on the page), so we sometimes drop in there to meet up with everyone. There is some beautiful art work pinned to the walls done by various patrons as they sit at the tables. Nice place, great decor and music, and nicer people than most of the other bars I have been to.

Catalina

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Not one into *gothic scenes* but i have quite a few friends that are and have been for years...way before it was cool. To me it's kind of a religious experience, to listen to those people who have a fascination for the darker aspects of life and death, talk about the things they believe. I have noticed that in my circle of friends there are quite a few vamps, quite a few pagans and only one of me (shamanistic shape-shifter sort) so I can honestly say that my *pack* isn't all one way. Their beliefs don't quite coincide with mine but it does not make me respect them any less.

(and i know this had absolutely nothing to do with the original statement but I saw hurtme's post and thought i should throw my 2 cent in)

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