do you believe in ghosts?

[Tryharder62]

If new anomalies in dark matter understanding prove true. We all could be somebodies ghost.

Am I the ghost of someone who wore a tiara?

 

[butters]

I tried to read a little bit about elementals and it is a bit confusing for a newbe - so these are serious questions. These elementals are earth, air, water, fire? They are separate from our spirits. So what are human spirits? Do we have them when we are conceived? Where do they go if they don't get stuck? Can they get unstuck? Interesting.

Christians think God is perfect so there isn't a chance one could get stuck.

the roman catholic teachings i grew up with had 3 places: heaven, hell, and purgatory. you could be stuck in purgatory forever (if you were a good person but not baptised ((like new babies))--how cruel!--and we were all introduced to the 'fact' all those poor little starving black children who'd not yet been brought to jesus would go there); however, most of us would spend some time in purgatory first, to get fully clean souls, before moving on up in the heavens.

nowadays, as an adult and having lived the life i have, my ideas are more with rae on this one: my basic sense of understanding (through experience though that possibly may have been something the ex put in my food/drink) is that there are powers out there most of us don't engage with knowingly or often... both good and evil (as we see them), and that have never existed in human form. of course, a whole lot goes on in those wet folds of our brains that might answer for any and all of those experiences, and it may be the human psyche needs to externalise and separate them from our conscious self awareness.

ghosts, on the other hand, well they're definitely relatable to people who have actually been alive, whether they're like elctromagnetic 'recordings' such as found in the earth's mantle that show the switches in the magnetic polarities over time--or a trapped consciousness with unfinished business, or a lack of awareness that they are, in fact, deceased.

that latter set would seem to line up with the concept of a purgatory, with the biblical teachings maybe the way a complex subject could be addressed in a way most could understand it.

for those at peace with themselves, i would imagine these people are the ones who don't linger in some trapped state but rest in the peace of our energies dissapating into other forms: human remains feed bacteria/bugs/plants, eventually, and then become one with that form of living but with no human consciousness, more a recycling of energies.

to be at peace (unknowing/un-needing/unwanting) beyond death seems like heaven to me, to be tortured by something unresolvable? like hell.

 

[Tryharder62]

the roman catholic teachings i grew up with had 3 places: heaven, hell, and purgatory. you could be stuck in purgatory forever (if you were a good person but not baptised ((like new babies))--how cruel!--and we were all introduced to the 'fact' all those poor little starving black children who'd not yet been brought to jesus would go there); however, most of us would spend some time in purgatory first, to get fully clean souls, before moving on up in the heavens.

nowadays, as an adult and having lived the life i have, my ideas are more with rae on this one: my basic sense of understanding (through experience though that possibly may have been something the ex put in my food/drink) is that there are powers out there most of us don't engage with knowingly or often... both good and evil (as we see them), and that have never existed in human form. of course, a whole lot goes on in those wet folds of our brains that might answer for any and all of those experiences, and it may be the human psyche needs to externalise and separate them from our conscious self awareness.

ghosts, on the other hand, well they're definitely relatable to people who have actually been alive, whether they're like elctromagnetic 'recordings' such as found in the earth's mantle that show the switches in the magnetic polarities over time--or a trapped consciousness with unfinished business, or a lack of awareness that they are, in fact, deceased.

that latter set would seem to line up with the concept of a purgatory, with the biblical teachings maybe the way a complex subject could be addressed in a way most could understand it.

for those at peace with themselves, i would imagine these people are the ones who don't linger in some trapped state but rest in the peace of our energies dissapating into other forms: human remains feed bacteria/bugs/plants, eventually, and then become one with that form of living but with no human consciousness, more a recycling of energies.

to be at peace (unknowing/un-needing/unwanting) beyond death seems like heaven to me, to be tortured by something unresolvable? like hell.

Well said. I was raised Catholic so I get part of what you are saying. The problem is that my Catholic friends believe that the traditions of the church are just as sacred as the bible. For example, there is nowhere in the bible that says that a priest(pastor) needs to be celibate. This all came about through tradition. Actually priests were stealing items from "the church" and passing them down to their family. So to prevent that it was decided they couldn't be married. (I was told that by the faith formation leader where I work and checked it out.) My dad was a faithful Catholic. I remember him being so frustrated that he had been taught his whole life not to eat meat on Fridays then all of the sudden they could eat meat on Fridays except during lent.

The concept of purgatory didn't come about until the 12th century. Protestants don't believe it because it negates what Jesus did on the cross. He died so that we didn't have to doubt where we would be in eternity. There is a solution to the "problem" of hell. Don't go there!! But that involves a choice.

Being at peace is what I think heaven will be as well. Maybe we aren't as far apart in our ideas as we think.

When my father died I was concerned. He and I had great talks about faith. He was and continues to be my best example of faith lived out in life besides Jesus. I just so wanted him to be at peace. He had a pretty rough life. I talked to my pastor and his words changed me - they are so true.

He said... If you take a ship, humans tend to see God on the ship pushing people out into the water. However God is on the ship desperately telling us to take his hand and get in.

 

[Angelhorse]

the roman catholic teachings i grew up with had 3 places: heaven, hell, and purgatory. you could be stuck in purgatory forever (if you were a good person but not baptised ((like new babies))--how cruel!--and we were all introduced to the 'fact' all those poor little starving black children who'd not yet been brought to jesus would go there); however, most of us would spend some time in purgatory first, to get fully clean souls, before moving on up in the heavens.

nowadays, as an adult and having lived the life i have, my ideas are more with rae on this one: my basic sense of understanding (through experience though that possibly may have been something the ex put in my food/drink) is that there are powers out there most of us don't engage with knowingly or often... both good and evil (as we see them), and that have never existed in human form. of course, a whole lot goes on in those wet folds of our brains that might answer for any and all of those experiences, and it may be the human psyche needs to externalise and separate them from our conscious self awareness.

ghosts, on the other hand, well they're definitely relatable to people who have actually been alive, whether they're like elctromagnetic 'recordings' such as found in the earth's mantle that show the switches in the magnetic polarities over time--or a trapped consciousness with unfinished business, or a lack of awareness that they are, in fact, deceased.

that latter set would seem to line up with the concept of a purgatory, with the biblical teachings maybe the way a complex subject could be addressed in a way most could understand it.

for those at peace with themselves, i would imagine these people are the ones who don't linger in some trapped state but rest in the peace of our energies dissapating into other forms: human remains feed bacteria/bugs/plants, eventually, and then become one with that form of living but with no human consciousness, more a recycling of energies.

to be at peace (unknowing/un-needing/unwanting) beyond death seems like heaven to me, to be tortured by something unresolvable? like hell.

I would like to point out that where the unbaptized innocent people go (mainly babies, aborted or otherwise) is Limbo, not Purgatory. Limbo, unlike Purgatory, has no suffering there, but as they still have Original Sin, they cannot go to heaven where only the perfect and purified can enter, as nothing defiled can enter heaven. I understand you don't care anymore, and I'm sorry about that, but I just wanted to clarify that for you.

 

[Angelhorse]

Well said. I was raised Catholic so I get part of what you are saying. The problem is that my Catholic friends believe that the traditions of the church are just as sacred as the bible. For example, there is nowhere in the bible that says that a priest(pastor) needs to be celibate. This all came about through tradition. Actually priests were stealing items from "the church" and passing them down to their family. So to prevent that it was decided they couldn't be married. (I was told that by the faith formation leader where I work and checked it out.) My dad was a faithful Catholic. I remember him being so frustrated that he had been taught his whole life not to eat meat on Fridays then all of the sudden they could eat meat on Fridays except during lent.

The concept of purgatory didn't come about until the 12th century. Protestants don't believe it because it negates what Jesus did on the cross. He died so that we didn't have to doubt where we would be in eternity. There is a solution to the "problem" of hell. Don't go there!! But that involves a choice.

Being at peace is what I think heaven will be as well. Maybe we aren't as far apart in our ideas as we think.

When my father died I was concerned. He and I had great talks about faith. He was and continues to be my best example of faith lived out in life besides Jesus. I just so wanted him to be at peace. He had a pretty rough life. I talked to my pastor and his words changed me - they are so true.

He said... If you take a ship, humans tend to see God on the ship pushing people out into the water. However God is on the ship desperately telling us to take his hand and get in.

It's sad how Catholics growing up in the 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's weren't taught the why's or the how's of their faith and was instead given a watered down version of it that left them wide open to the changes that happened in the 60's, 70's and beyond. Total catastrophe. Anyway, I felt sorry for your father. He wasn't taught what the abstinence or many other things were for... Just told to comply and obey... Anyway, we still don't eat meat on Fridays (or any days of Lent except Sundays), and it's to put us in mind of Christ's Passion and Death on Good Friday. As every Sunday is a little Easter, every Friday is a a little Good Friday. We try to do our part in memory of what He did for us.

 

[jaF0]

I would like to point out that where the unbaptized innocent people go (mainly babies, aborted or otherwise) is Limbo, not Purgatory. Limbo, unlike Purgatory, has no suffering there, but as they still have Original Sin, they cannot go to heaven where only the perfect and purified can enter, as nothing defiled can enter heaven. I understand you don't care anymore, and I'm sorry about that, but I just wanted to clarify that for you.

It's sad how Catholics growing up in the 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's weren't taught the why's or the how's of their faith and was instead given a watered down version of it that left them wide open to the changes that happened in the 60's, 70's and beyond. Total catastrophe. Anyway, I felt sorry for your father. He wasn't taught what the abstinence or many other things were for... Just told to comply and obey... Anyway, we still don't eat meat on Fridays (or any days of Lent except Sundays), and it's to put us in mind of Christ's Passion and Death on Good Friday. As every Sunday is a little Easter, every Friday is a a little Good Friday. We try to do our part in memory of what He did for us.

What the blooming bloomie fuck are you babbling about?

 

[jaF0]

Am I the ghost of someone who wore a tiara?

Nope. Minnie Pearl.

 

[Angelhorse]

It depends what you mean by "ghosts."

If the term means spirit beings, then my answer is yes. If the term means spirits of people who have died, my answer is no.

There are spirit beings who can connect with and appear in our physical world, but in my faith these are known as angels and demons.

Spirits of people who die, these spirits can only go one of two places. Nobody gets stuck on earth.

Just interesting that it is so easy for people to believe our spirits could stay here to haunt others, but it is hard for them to conceive that they just may go somewhere else.

I don't think 'Ghosts' are ever angels, though perhaps some could be demons. As a Catholic, I believe that most ghosts are, in fact, condemned souls. They are generally great sinners who have met violent ends. These souls aren't 'trapped' but burning in hell even as they wander around things associated with them. They are never at peace and await the General Judgment when the dead will rise and Christ will judge all mankind and cast the cursed into Hell body and soul forever. In other words, I believe in ghosts and they are tortured souls in constant pain.

 

[jaF0]

I don't think 'Ghosts' are ever angels, though perhaps some could be demons. As a Catholic, I believe that most ghosts are, in fact, condemned souls. They are generally great sinners who have met violent ends. These souls aren't 'trapped' but burning in hell even as they wander around things associated with them. They are never at peace and await the General Judgment when the dead will rise and Christ will judge all mankind and cast the cursed into Hell body and soul forever. In other words, I believe in ghosts and they are tortured souls in constant pain.

You seem ... stupid.

 

[Angelhorse]

You seem ... stupid.

*shrug* I mean, I don't know everything, but I try with what I get. There's a great big world out there full of hidden surprises, so there's a lot of ground to cover. lol

 

[butters]

I would like to point out that where the unbaptized innocent people go (mainly babies, aborted or otherwise) is Limbo, not Purgatory. Limbo, unlike Purgatory, has no suffering there, but as they still have Original Sin, they cannot go to heaven where only the perfect and purified can enter, as nothing defiled can enter heaven. I understand you don't care anymore, and I'm sorry about that, but I just wanted to clarify that for you.

thankyou for reminding me... it HAS been a long long time.

having said that, the concept of a newborn (even a stillborn) infant being impure (by virtue of original sin) is anathema to me and seems more a human construct skewed towards attaining power by the few over the many

 

[FataMorgana]

I don't think 'Ghosts' are ever angels, though perhaps some could be demons. As a Catholic, I believe that most ghosts are, in fact, condemned souls. They are generally great sinners who have met violent ends. These souls aren't 'trapped' but burning in hell even as they wander around things associated with them. They are never at peace and await the General Judgment when the dead will rise and Christ will judge all mankind and cast the cursed into Hell body and soul forever. In other words, I believe in ghosts and they are tortured souls in constant pain.

As a Catholic, I believe you are a bit of a twat.

 

[hobbit.]

As a Catholic, I believe you are a bit of a twat.

As a follower of Archbishop Justin Welby I feel that all papists should be burnt at the stake. whats yer point boggy ?

 

[FataMorgana]

As a follower of Archbishop Justin Welby I feel that all papists should be burnt at the stake. whats yer point boggy ?

Well. Lapsed Catholic. Cos of shit like that. Robert Powell is turning in his grave.

 

[hobbit.]

Well. Lapsed Catholic. Cos of shit like that. Robert Powell is turning in his grave.

jesus of salford is dead? fuck! couldve broken that gently.

thats why i follow Justin, god botherers cant see or touch 'god' i cant actually touch justin for legal reasons, but at least i can see him, granted, again due to legal reasons, i now need to use a long lense and nato spec night vision equipment, but at least Justin is tangible

 

[jaF0]

Do ghosts swallow?

 

[FataMorgana]

Do ghosts swallow?

Only the succubus.

 

[juttjaw]

Only the succubus.

Succubus. That word reminds me of that severusMAX dude. Or what ever the fuck his name was. It makes my skin creep.

 

[jaF0]

^^^^ Awww, Polter got yer geist?

 

[rae121452]

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[Tryharder62]

Nope. Minnie Pearl.

"How-w-w-DEE-E-E-E! I'm jest so proud to be here!"

It's sad how Catholics growing up in the 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's weren't taught the why's or the how's of their faith and was instead given a watered down version of it that left them wide open to the changes that happened in the 60's, 70's and beyond. Total catastrophe. Anyway, I felt sorry for your father. He wasn't taught what the abstinence or many other things were for... Just told to comply and obey... Anyway, we still don't eat meat on Fridays (or any days of Lent except Sundays), and it's to put us in mind of Christ's Passion and Death on Good Friday. As every Sunday is a little Easter, every Friday is a a little Good Friday. We try to do our part in memory of what He did for us.

Just out of curiosity are you Roman Catholic? I know each country has its own Bishops and Council of Bishops. I am from the US. The reason I ask is because I have a lot of friends who are Roman Catholic and I am pretty sure none of them observe it except during Lent. Is it still a mortal sin? Like if you knowingly ate a cheeseburger on a Friday and died on the way home you are going to hell?

I have to admit that it is very confusing to try to look into. It seems like different countries contradict each other. Dad did understand what it was all about. Me - I don't get it. It is wonderful to remember what Jesus did on the cross though. I appreciate your information.

I do have to admit that it bothers me that not eating meat on Friday is one of the Catholic traditions and not in the bible. It's a protestant thing.

I enjoy the discussion.

Kathy

 

[pink]

Yeah, I kinda do.

 

[Angelhorse]

"How-w-w-DEE-E-E-E! I'm jest so proud to be here!"




Just out of curiosity are you Roman Catholic? I know each country has its own Bishops and Council of Bishops. I am from the US. The reason I ask is because I have a lot of friends who are Roman Catholic and I am pretty sure none of them observe it except during Lent. Is it still a mortal sin? Like if you knowingly ate a cheeseburger on a Friday and died on the way home you are going to hell?

I have to admit that it is very confusing to try to look into. It seems like different countries contradict each other. Dad did understand what it was all about. Me - I don't get it. It is wonderful to remember what Jesus did on the cross though. I appreciate your information.

I do have to admit that it bothers me that not eating meat on Friday is one of the Catholic traditions and not in the bible. It's a protestant thing.

I enjoy the discussion.

Kathy

Yes I am Roman Catholic, also from the US (Mississippi to be exact). I don't think eating meat on Fridays is serious enough to be mortal... At least if you ate it by mistake. Willful disobedience is a pretty serious thing. I mean, God told Adam and Eve to not eat the forbidden fruit. They got tempted, thought about it, and ate it and God wasn't too pleased was He? I think there have been instances (at least once that I am aware of) in church history in which a Noble was fighting against the church and then to add to it, after ransacking the church commited all sorts of sacriliges including feasting on meat on Friday on purpose, so I guess he knew he was doing something bad.
What you may be wondering is why I still follow that even though no such obligation is in America (or hardly anywhere else). Well, I'll have to point you first to Our Lady of LaSalette in which she predicted that Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the anti-christ and that the church would be in eclipse... Welp, look around you. Moral perversion everywhere, Francis worships the pagan goddess Pachimama, the priests raping boys, Francis saying sex outside of marriage is a good thing, etc. Etc. Etc... However! Vatican I says that a pope cannot teach heresy and also that what was true before remains true and does not change with the times. If a 'pope' does teach heresy, he becomes a heretic by that fact alone (like anyone else teaching heresy) putting him outside the church and making it impossible to lead that which he is not a member. Long story short, heretical papal claimants got in St. Peter's after the death of Pius XII and set up their false council of Vatican II which brought about all kinds of changes in the 60's, 70's and beyond. The church that they head is not the actual Catholic Church. It lives in the faithful remnant all over the world. If any of this is slightly interesting, you might check out www.vaticancatholic.com lots of interesting stuff there. Enjoy.

 

[Tryharder62]

Yes I am Roman Catholic, also from the US (Mississippi to be exact). I don't think eating meat on Fridays is serious enough to be mortal... At least if you ate it by mistake. Willful disobedience is a pretty serious thing. I mean, God told Adam and Eve to not eat the forbidden fruit. They got tempted, thought about it, and ate it and God wasn't too pleased was He? I think there have been instances (at least once that I am aware of) in church history in which a Noble was fighting against the church and then to add to it, after ransacking the church commited all sorts of sacriliges including feasting on meat on Friday on purpose, so I guess he knew he was doing something bad.
What you may be wondering is why I still follow that even though no such obligation is in America (or hardly anywhere else). Well, I'll have to point you first to Our Lady of LaSalette in which she predicted that Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the anti-christ and that the church would be in eclipse... Welp, look around you. Moral perversion everywhere, Francis worships the pagan goddess Pachimama, the priests raping boys, Francis saying sex outside of marriage is a good thing, etc. Etc. Etc... However! Vatican I says that a pope cannot teach heresy and also that what was true before remains true and does not change with the times. If a 'pope' does teach heresy, he becomes a heretic by that fact alone (like anyone else teaching heresy) putting him outside the church and making it impossible to lead that which he is not a member. Long story short, heretical papal claimants got in St. Peter's after the death of Pius XII and set up their false council of Vatican II which brought about all kinds of changes in the 60's, 70's and beyond. The church that they head is not the actual Catholic Church. It lives in the faithful remnant all over the world. If any of this is slightly interesting, you might check out www.vaticancatholic.com lots of interesting stuff there. Enjoy.

I checked out the website but a lot of the videos were long and I didn't have time to go indepth. So are you saying you are a sedevancantist? I hadn't heard of that before. Do you still worship with the Catholics that believe in the Popes after Vatican II? If not how do you organize? There were quite the number of reviews of the website you gave above on some Catholic sites. I guess you aren't popular among Catholics. I find things like this interesting. Thanks again for sharing.

 

[rae121452]

you know what? fuck catholics. that wasn't the question.