Do you agree with Joe?

KillerMuffin

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That's how it started out. Mostly in sidewalk chalk all over the campus. It's like dozens of people would sneak onto campus at 5 in the morning and write "Do you agree with Joe?" all over the place. That's it, nothing more. A few days later the first green posters with white letters showed up on the trees and walls. "Do you agree with Joe?" Everyone wondered who Joe was, but whoever was playing sidewalk chalk tag in the early morning wasn't saying. The posters promised that Joe would speak, in the auditorium on the last day of April, at 7pm and everyone would find out if they did, indeed, agree with Joe. The college was abuzz with what Joe's mysterious position on whatever it Joe thought important enough to find out if anyone agreed with him far in advance. It was very exciting.

A week later, Monday the 22nd, college administration forced the "Do you agree with Joe?" perpetrators to add the words "sponsered by the Campus Crusade for Christ" to anything advertising "Joe."

The campus is now up in arms. Nevermind that the state wants to increase tutition rates by about 25%, Joe is far more important.

Everyone is incensed about something. Most of them don't really know what they are upset about.

Secular parts of the Society for Free-Thinkers began a sidewalk chalk campaign downing religion. People wrote into the college paper. Everyone is howling.

There are basically two camps.

There are those who agree with, well not necessarily Joe, but that Joe didn't do anything wrong. They cite the First Amendment, shrug their shoulders and either ignore the howling or wear a green "I agree with Joe" t-shirt. The don't understand why people are upset about this.

Then there are those who think that Joe... Well, they don't know what to think about Joe, but they all agree that what Joe's buddies, the Campus Crusade for Christ, did was wrong.

Interestingly, the lines aren't drawn by religion. 5 Pastors of local churches of different denominations wrote a letter to the college paper deploring what Joe and the CCC did. A locally reknowned communist stood on one of the benches near the library and spoke about Joe's right to ask people if they agreed with him or not.

What do you think? Was Joe right or wrong? Why?
 
My favorite chalk side walk writings are the ones that state "

" Free lunch "


And then you walk further along the side walk and see the obvious


" Free lunch sponsored by the Baptist church "

They always want to get you one way or another. But they do serve good lunche(s).


:)
 
I don't get why people are upset. Is it because of their curiousity was piqued and then it turned out to be something they weren't interested in? Or is it that they college made the 'perpetrators' attach their organization to the posters?
 
Why was everyone upset? Because they didn't come out and say they were a religious group? Who cares? It's just an ad campaign strategy. Had Joe been a new soda flavor or a car or a WHORE, would people be upset?

I must be missing something here. It's a college campus. I thought that's where ideas supposed to be exchanged. I don't get what's so horrible about a student group expressing their views on campus.
 
pagancowgirl said:
I don't get why people are upset. Is it because of their curiousity was piqued and then it turned out to be something they weren't interested in? Or is it that they college made the 'perpetrators' attach their organization to the posters?

Yeah, what she said.
 
KillerMuffin said:
That's how it started out. Mostly in sidewalk chalk all over the campus. It's like dozens of people would sneak onto campus at 5 in the morning and write "Do you agree with Joe?" all over the place. That's it, nothing more. A few days later the first green posters with white letters showed up on the trees and walls. "Do you agree with Joe?" Everyone wondered who Joe was, but whoever was playing sidewalk chalk tag in the early morning wasn't saying. The posters promised that Joe would speak, in the auditorium on the last day of April, at 7pm and everyone would find out if they did, indeed, agree with Joe. The college was abuzz with what Joe's mysterious position on whatever it Joe thought important enough to find out if anyone agreed with him far in advance. It was very exciting.

A week later, Monday the 22nd, college administration forced the "Do you agree with Joe?" perpetrators to add the words "sponsered by the Campus Crusade for Christ" to anything advertising "Joe."

The campus is now up in arms. Nevermind that the state wants to increase tutition rates by about 25%, Joe is far more important.

Everyone is incensed about something. Most of them don't really know what they are upset about.

Secular parts of the Society for Free-Thinkers began a sidewalk chalk campaign downing religion. People wrote into the college paper. Everyone is howling.

There are basically two camps.

There are those who agree with, well not necessarily Joe, but that Joe didn't do anything wrong. They cite the First Amendment, shrug their shoulders and either ignore the howling or wear a green "I agree with Joe" t-shirt. The don't understand why people are upset about this.

Then there are those who think that Joe... Well, they don't know what to think about Joe, but they all agree that what Joe's buddies, the Campus Crusade for Christ, did was wrong.

Interestingly, the lines aren't drawn by religion. 5 Pastors of local churches of different denominations wrote a letter to the college paper deploring what Joe and the CCC did. A locally reknowned communist stood on one of the benches near the library and spoke about Joe's right to ask people if they agreed with him or not.

What do you think? Was Joe right or wrong? Why?

are you SURE you're not in Anchorage? they did this at UAA, too, only last semester.

i really don't give a rats what Joe has to say. i try to stay as far away as fucking possible from religious organizations. now, they didn't say at first, but i just KNEW it was some pansy christian group. it just smelled of them. whenever someone asked me (which, unfortunately for them, was right after my kendo class) i'd tell them this, "if Joe says to smack you over the head with my shinai(sp?) (bamboo practice sword for sparring), then yes i do. if not, then i don't really care."
 
I don't even know why people go to college. Don't they know that when they graduate they will be nothing more than WHORES , prostituting themselves for the various corporate machines that control this country?

Oh, so you think you are going to teach, or do social work, be a moral, concientious humanitarion, helping people and doing good? Well, that's fine, you'll be living in poverty and working for two-dollar WHORE'S wages. Think about it..would you rather be a WHORE for the state, or a WHORE for the government?

It's all pathetic. A capitalist system that makes us grovel, grovel like WHORE'S for our daily bread. And at the end of a life of being treated like WHORE'S what do we get, any decent reward? No, we get sold out, like all the WHORE'S that got fucked up the ass by the bigwig cheats at Enron. Actually, being a real WHORE is probalby not a bad option, aside from having to demean yourself every day, the possibilty of AIDS and Herpes, and getting beat up by your pimp.

I think I'll move to alaska and prospect for gold. At least then i wouldn't be a WHORE.
 
If chalking the side walks is permissable, it was a good PR gimmick, If it's considered graffitti, I have a problem with it.

If I didn't believe in free speech, I wouldn't be here.

Does the college require everyone that poses a question to put their name to it?

I think it's a self-defeating strategy for a religion to spread it's truth by a deception. Just foolish.

That about covers it.
 
Problem Child said:
I don't even know why people go to college. Don't they know that when they graduate they will be nothing more than WHORES , prostituting themselves for the various corporate machines that control this country?

Oh, so you think you are going to teach, or do social work, be a moral, concientious humanitarion, helping people and doing good? Well, that's fine, you'll be living in poverty and working for two-dollar WHORE'S wages. Think about it..would you rather be a WHORE for the state, or a WHORE for the government?

It's all pathetic. A capitalist system that makes us grovel, grovel like WHORE'S for our daily bread. And at the end of a life of being treated like WHORE'S what do we get, any decent reward? No, we get sold out, like all the WHORE'S that got fucked up the ass by the bigwig cheats at Enron. Actually, being a real WHORE is probalby not a bad option, aside from having to demean yourself every day, the possibilty of AIDS and Herpes, and getting beat up by your pimp.

I think I'll move to alaska and prospect for gold. At least then i wouldn't be a WHORE.

wow! his soap box is even red, too!

i feel cheated somehow. i wasn't called a "pig-dog" ONCE thru his entire tirade!
 
Problem Child said:
Oh, so you think you are going to teach, or do social work, be a moral, concientious humanitarion, helping people and doing good?



I think I'll move to alaska and prospect for gold. At least then i wouldn't be a WHORE.

What's a humanitarion?

And darlin, with an ass like that, you're a WHORE no matter where you go.
 
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