Do people honesty believe certain ethno-demographic groups have lower PCI is "racism"

[renard_ruse]

Do people honesty believe certain ethno-demographic groups have lower PCI is "racism"

Do people really believe that some shadowy alleged "white racism" is the reason why certain ethno-demographic groups have lower per capita income than average?

On its face this doesn't even make sense. For example its claimed that blacks and Latinos have lower than average PCI because "whites discriminate against them." Yet, there are other non-white groups such as Americans of East Asian and South Asian ancestry who have a higher PCI than average (and higher than whites). So if whites are engaging in all this secretive discrimination against other groups how do Asian Americans end up more successful than average?

While there are more controversial theories about average IQ and that sort of thing, the simpler explanation would seem to be culture, social and community expectations, and collective personal choices (chosing to study hard in school growing up for example).

Yet according to the mainstream media, corporate America, and many activist groups, the explanation is unquestionably some mass invisible racist conspiracy on the part of whites to keep some groups down.

Where is the "smoking gun proof" of this shadowy white plot that the same media and corporations demand when people discuss the New World Order, election integrity questions, etc, which actually do have significant and much stronger circumstantial and even hard evidence to back them up?

https://m.startribune.com/target-to...lack-led-organizations/600105958/?clmob=y&c=n

 

[pecksniff]

It's not a conspiracy, it's a combination of sociological factors that would continue to depress the incomes of POC if conscious racism went away entirely.

 

[CornusKousa]

It's not a conspiracy, it's a combination of sociological factors that would continue to depress the incomes of POC if conscious racism went away entirely.

It's not racism that's holding them back, certainly not systemic or institutional racism.


Social and economic inequity =/= racism.

 

[CornusKousa]

Do people really believe that some shadowy alleged "white racism" is the reason why certain ethno-demographic groups have lower per capita income than average?

Yes, the whole mentality of the left is that unequal life outcomes = proof of racism.

They totally ignore the reality that millions of POC do great here, better than any of the "Diverse" shit holes they came from and better than most white people.

They ignore the fact that millions of POC have figured out certain behaviors lead to better more prosperous lives than other behaviors.

They ignore anything that doesn't fit their "White people are evil racist that inherently oppress POC with their whiteness. " narrative.

Any rich/popular/powerful black people don't toe the (D) line? They're white!!!

They're totally fucking insane.

 

[YDB95]

Don't bother trying to explain nuances to deplorables. Even enormous nuances like the difference in how Asian immigrants were discriminated against vs Latinos and Blacks. They just don't get it.

 

[WillJ8787]

Do people really believe that some shadowy alleged "white racism" is the reason why certain ethno-demographic groups have lower per capita income than average?

On its face this doesn't even make sense. For example its claimed that blacks and Latinos have lower than average PCI because "whites discriminate against them." Yet, there are other non-white groups such as Americans of East Asian and South Asian ancestry who have a higher PCI than average (and higher than whites). So if whites are engaging in all this secretive discrimination against other groups how do Asian Americans end up more successful than average?

While there are more controversial theories about average IQ and that sort of thing, the simpler explanation would seem to be culture, social and community expectations, and collective personal choices (chosing to study hard in school growing up for example).

Yet according to the mainstream media, corporate America, and many activist groups, the explanation is unquestionably some mass invisible racist conspiracy on the part of whites to keep some groups down.

Where is the "smoking gun proof" of this shadowy white plot that the same media and corporations demand when people discuss the New World Order, election integrity questions, etc, which actually do have significant and much stronger circumstantial and even hard evidence to back them up?

https://m.startribune.com/target-to...lack-led-organizations/600105958/?clmob=y&c=n

Yep...this statement is correct...."

pecksniff
It's not a conspiracy, it's a combination of sociological factors that would continue to depress the incomes of POC if conscious racism went away entirely."

There is no smoking gun conspiracy. Systemic problems in economics, class, geography (where one is born and lives), education, access(to education, healthcare, housing, jobs) all get their origins in the predominant structure that has existed in The USA. It's systemic, both the outcomes and the way to understand it.

It is changing....hence why all you cry babies are here saying their is no such thing as systemic(racism, injustice, inequality) issues. Your loud whining proves that it is changing or you would be quiet as church mice.

 

[CornusKousa]

Yep...this statement is correct...."

pecksniff
It's not a conspiracy, it's a combination of sociological factors that would continue to depress the incomes of POC if conscious racism went away entirely."

There is no smoking gun conspiracy. Systemic problems in economics, class, geography (where one is born and lives), education, access(to education, healthcare, housing, jobs) all get their origins in the predominant structure that has existed in The USA. It's systemic, both the outcomes and the way to understand it.

It is changing....hence why all you cry babies are here saying their is no such thing as systemic(racism, injustice, inequality) issues. Your loud whining proves that it is changing or you would be quiet as church mice.

Well... what "systemic" racism, injustice, inequality???

 

[CornusKousa]

Don't bother trying to explain nuances to deplorables. Even enormous nuances like the difference in how Asian immigrants were discriminated against vs Latinos and Blacks. They just don't get it.

Nuances that have nothing to do with anyone living today....

 

[mayfly13]

Do people really believe that some shadowy alleged "white racism" is the reason why certain ethno-demographic groups have lower per capita income than average?

On its face this doesn't even make sense. For example its claimed that blacks and Latinos have lower than average PCI because "whites discriminate against them." Yet, there are other non-white groups such as Americans of East Asian and South Asian ancestry who have a higher PCI than average (and higher than whites). So if whites are engaging in all this secretive discrimination against other groups how do Asian Americans end up more successful than average?

While there are more controversial theories about average IQ and that sort of thing, the simpler explanation would seem to be culture, social and community expectations, and collective personal choices (chosing to study hard in school growing up for example).

Yet according to the mainstream media, corporate America, and many activist groups, the explanation is unquestionably some mass invisible racist conspiracy on the part of whites to keep some groups down.

Where is the "smoking gun proof" of this shadowy white plot that the same media and corporations demand when people discuss the New World Order, election integrity questions, etc, which actually do have significant and much stronger circumstantial and even hard evidence to back them up?

https://m.startribune.com/target-to...lack-led-organizations/600105958/?clmob=y&c=n

FOR COUNTRY TO COUNTRY COMPARISON:

I think it's because of the general level and type of education of the population.

I read the statistics and it irked me that most Eastern European countries are ranked mid to low bottom. Russians AREN'T stupid, they regularly provide the best mathematicians, rocket scientists and chess players.

Which countries score top? The ones in which most of the citizens are uniformly educated to the same Western-like standard (Scandinavian, Japan etc.)
They HAVE practiced the type of thinking tested by IQ tests.

Most Russian laypeople are actually quite educated, but it's not the Western/East Asian standardized system.


And oh. Please exclude China.
They cheated --again--, they only did IQ tests in the three largest, most urban & developed cities.

On its face this doesn't even make sense. For example its claimed that blacks and Latinos have lower than average PCI because "whites discriminate against them." Yet, there are other non-white groups such as Americans of East Asian and South Asian ancestry who have a higher PCI than average (and higher than whites). So if whites are engaging in all this secretive discrimination against other groups how do Asian Americans end up more successful than average?

AS FOR WITHIN THE US

Most South Asians and East Asians only managed to get in the US because of their tertiary level skills, so the comparison between Blacks/Latinos --- Asians is misleading.

And given that Asians are the most populous countries in the world, it doesn't mean that American Asians represent the typical Asian either.

 

[pecksniff]

Well... what "systemic" racism, injustice, inequality???

You keep denying all that, but you know it's all real.

 

[bellisarius]

You keep denying all that, but you know it's all real.

Those who believe that and use it as an excuse will forever be doomed to the bottom rung of the ladder.

 

[Champakian]

Yes, this country is a real hellhole of Racism for POC...


That's why they are illegally fleeing and crossing the border into Mexico.

 

[JohnnySavage]

But I just saw on the news that the border is only open to the fully vaccinated.

 

[bellisarius]

But I just saw on the news that the border is only open to the fully vaccinated.

*chuckle* Good one.

 

[CornusKousa]

You keep denying all that, but you know it's all real.

LOL....said the white leftist tot he liberal POC.

No, it's not 1950 anymore.

That's why you can't point to anything specific without going decades into the past.

 

[CornusKousa]

AS FOR WITHIN THE US

Most South Asians and East Asians only managed to get in the US because of their tertiary level skills, so the comparison between Blacks/Latinos --- Asians is misleading.

That's not misleading, it's confirmation of what he said.

POC aren't being discriminated against.... contrary to popular belief on the left the USA is NOT actually a Worse-than-Nazi hell scape where whites get to sport hunt people of color for fun. In fact, despite the "progressive" leftist claims, POC do very well here and there is in fact no evil white racist empire holding them down.

And given that Asians are the most populous countries in the world, it doesn't mean that American Asians represent the typical Asian either.

Who ever said they do???

They, along with all the other very successful POC in the country, are proof the USA is not a white supremacy nation.

Do you acknowledge this FACT or are you sticking with the (D)/lefty narrative that the USA is absolutely the most racist evil empire of white supremacy that has ever existed ??

 

[WillJ8787]

Well... what "systemic" racism, injustice, inequality???

Check past post....hundred of them...that address this. Do the work for yourself.

 

[The_Trouvere]

"An American Dilemma," and racial inequality

Systemic racism is the current alibi for black failure when there is no evidence of racial discrimination. It has long been obvious that blacks tend to excel at certain sports. We are willing to talk about that because sports are a frivolous pastime. Being intelligent has always been valuable. It is becoming more valuable now, because computer technology increases the relationship between intelligence and income.

An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy was written by Gunnar Myrdal, and published in the United States in 1944. Gunnar Myrday was a Swedish academic who shared the Nobel Prize in Economics with Friedrich Hayek in 1974.

In An American Dilemma Dr. Myrdal acknowledged high rates of black crime and illegitimacy, low average scores on mental aptitude tests, and tendencies toward inferior academic performance. He claimed that these were caused by racial discrimination, and that when when blacks were given equal rights most of them would behave and perform as well as most whites.

In 1944 most whites were receptive to this message. Blacks had contributed loyally to the War effort. The revelations of the Holocaust made most whites want to believe that racial differences did not matter, or that they did not exist.

An American Dilemma inspired the burgeoning civil rights movement, and was cited in the Brown vs Board of Education Supreme Court Decision of 1954, which found segregated public schools to be unconstitutional.

An American Dilemma so permeated liberal thinking on race that I accepted Professor Myrdal's assertions without question when I supported the civil rights movement, even though I did not learn of the book until several years ago.

Seventy seven years after the publication of An American Dilemma those of us with the courage to look can see that Dr. Myrdal was unrealistically optimistic about black potential. The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, and the War on Poverty declared the same year, were followed by five years of black ghetto rioting, and more durable increases in black crime and illegitimacy. Black academic performance has improved very little, despite expensive government spending programs like Head Start and No Child Left Behind.

Of course, there are some blacks who are intelligent, monogamous, and law abiding. Nevertheless, average differences in racial behavior and performance are obvious to those with extensive experience with blacks, whites, Hispanics, and Orientals.

Because anti racists cannot prove intrinsic racial equality, they have made it dangerous to draw attention to what is obviously true. Race has become an issue where the more one ignores facts that are easy to document the more enlightened one is said to be.

Bertolt Brecht said, "He who laughs had not been told the terrible truth." The terrible truth about race is that the white racists were right from the start.

 

[Champakian]

Board rules are to limit your c&p to five paragraphs...


*reported*


Mainly for lack of ability to actually articulate a thought
or develop a cogent rebuttal/argument.

 

[WillJ8787]

Ah, a racist living in the past...what refreshing insights. Care to present any relevant recent sources on race and racism. Anything? Past 1974?

 

[CornusKousa]

Check past post....hundred of them...that address this. Do the work for yourself.

I'm not the one making the claim and can't back it up.

You failed again, horribly.

Ah, a racist living in the past...what refreshing insights. Care to present any relevant recent sources on race and racism. Anything? Past 1974?

Says the guy who can't point to any white privileges on this side of 1974.....

 

[WillJ8787]

I'm not the one making the claim and can't back it up.

You failed again, horribly.



Says the guy who can't point to any white privileges on this side of 1974.....

You are actually.a perfect example of what is being discussed here: through no fault of your own, you were born into a train wreck of a familial situation. As a result of your parents situations, you were born into a limited structural situation which limited your potential abilities(biological ones which we all are born with). So, through no fault of your own, you didn't have access to quality education, quality role models, quality support systems(these are all systemic situations, not just individuals having impact....you, I, we all live in the communities that set the tone and tenor of our formative lives).

Hence, your under achieving education background and limited choices from there on out....the military was an option, maybe your only option. As honorable as serving in the military is, the reality for most folks entering it is it's often a last or only choice forward. Folks who are born into families that are intact, functioning well, who have generational buy in to education, hard work, upward mobility create structural communities that support and affirm these goals...sometime, we simply call these structural(or systemic creations) "wealthy neighborhoods, nice places to live, the nice side of Town."

Those of us who recognize this understand the structural color of it. It's a systemic construct for sure.

But, back to you ....you didn't have access so your choices were very limited....hence your military career. At some point, you did take control of your choices and make yourself into what you are today....and your start was out of your control....that is a systemic creation.... because it repeats and plays itself out millions of times with poor, underprivileged, undereducated folks all over the world.and can be documented.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

It can't possibly be anything innate, because if it is, then there's nothing for the authoritarian leftist to do. It simply must be a combination of factors that are socially constructed in order to provide the grist for the Marxist mill to grind on.

 

[mayfly13]

That's not misleading, it's confirmation of what he said.

POC aren't being discriminated against.... contrary to popular belief on the left the USA is NOT actually a Worse-than-Nazi hell scape where whites get to sport hunt people of color for fun. In fact, despite the "progressive" leftist claims, POC do very well here and there is in fact no evil white racist empire holding them down.



Who ever said they do???

They, along with all the other very successful POC in the country, are proof the USA is not a white supremacy nation.

Do you acknowledge this FACT or are you sticking with the (D)/lefty narrative that the USA is absolutely the most racist evil empire of white supremacy that has ever existed ??

I am neither with the Blacks-bashing Lit. crowd, nor the Blacks-ass kissing Lit. crowd.
I have never interacted closely with African-Americans other than on Lit.
I find Sean Renaud and LJ to be so. cool. But as for the other AA's as in in Rory, Zumi and as seen through the eyes of Lit. liberals -- no thanks.



But I AM part of the East Asians bashing crowd.

Thinking in stereotypes:
The ones that I've interacted with, I found to be wily and perseverant (great traits for themselves) and disciplined in their thinking and work.(great traits for their employers).

But I also found them to be lacking in creativity and originality, and a bit concrete in their thinking.
Yet the same people have IQ test scores off the chart???
Wtf. Asians are clever, but not THAT clever.

What do IQ tests measure, and what do they not?

 

[CornusKousa]

I am neither with the Blacks-bashing Lit. crowd, nor the Blacks-ass kissing Lit. crowd.
I have never interacted closely with African-Americans other than on Lit.
I find Sean Renaud and LJ to be so. cool. But as for the other AA's as in in Rory, Zumi and as seen through the eyes of Lit. liberals -- no thanks.

OK... sure.

But I AM part of the East Asians bashing crowd.

Thinking in stereotypes:
The ones that I've interacted with, I found to be wily and perseverant (great traits for themselves) and disciplined in their thinking and work.(great traits for their employers).

But I also found them to be lacking in creativity and originality, and a bit concrete in their thinking.

So you appreciate some aspects of their cultural norms and don't like other parts. Like pretty much everyone with regards to every culture because no matter the cultural norm it's going to have lovers and haters.

Yet the same people have IQ test scores off the chart???
Wtf. Asians are clever, but not THAT clever.

What do IQ tests measure, and what do they not?

It's not cleverness, it's not inherent, it's just a perspective created by a certain group of people and their cultural norms.

In Asian culture the pressure for academic, economic and social success is HIGH, now mix that with good ol' cut throat USA culture of competition? Tiger moms/dads happen... and the mems are funny because they are TRUE.

And what happens when you have an entire population and demographic that are total psycho's about pushing their kids, from birth, to be the BEST!!! vs. another different population that don't??

That demographic has higher test scores.... higher levels of economic success .... more socially valuable positions in life....no fucking shit right??

Other demographics value other things more or less and those have their impacts on their demographics, and that can be observed and measured in various ways.

None of it means fuck all to the individual though.