DNA Testing: In Our Blood

cloudy

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Last week, I watched an absorbing segment on the History Channel about the Lemba of South Africa who claim to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Through DNA testing, it was found that they do, indeed, share the Cohan gene marker - that of the high priests of Judea.

I know that some groups are worried about the new trend in DNA testing, saying that it may be another way for some to stereotype racial characteristics, and I agree, it's a convoluted issue, but the science is still fascinating.

Then, I ran across this absolutely fascinating article here (excerpted below).

Wayne Joseph grew up a black American in Louisiana and Los Angeles—even writing a My Turn for NEWSWEEK in 1994 about Black History Month. He heard about DNA testing several years ago and, seeking details about his mixed ancestry, sent away for a kit. "I figured I'd come back about 70 percent African and 30 percent something else," he says.

When the results arrived in the mail "I was floored," he says. The testing company said he was 57 percent Indo-European, 39 percent Native American, 4 percent East Asian. No African blood at all.

For almost a year, Joseph searched his soul, sifting in his mind the decisions he'd made based on his identity as a black man: his first marriage, his choice of high school, his interest in African-American literature. Before the test, "I was unequivocally black," he says. "Now I'm a metaphor for America." And not just for America, but for all of us.

And then there's Prof. Henry Louis (Skip) Gates Jr., head of Harvard University's African-American Studies department. Gates always knew he wasn't 100 percent African-American. According to family legend, Gates's only white ancestor was a slave owner named Samuel Brady, who had sex with Gates's great-great-grandmother Jane on his farm in Maryland in the 1800s.

But recent DNA analyses turned Gates's world upside down. There was no trace of Brady on Gates's genome. Further testing revealed that Gates, in fact, carries as much Western European blood as he does African—and that one of his white ancestors was probably an Irish servant who met Gates's sixth or seventh great-grandfather sometime before 1700. "I'm thinking I'm a Brady and maybe I'm from Nigeria, and here I am descended from some white woman," says Gates. "It's incredible."

DNA can now link regular people to high-profile ancestors—from Genghis Khan to the Iceman to the Irish warlord Niall of the Nine Hostages. Genghis-as-Great-Grandpa might be cool cocktail chatter, but since we don't have his DNA, proving direct descent is virtually impossible.

Testing family roots through the Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA has serious limitations, too: it tells you only about your direct paternal or maternal lineage, not the ancestor footprints hidden in the rest of your genome. Go back 10 generations, and that's 1,024 ancestors, says Stanford bioethicist Hank Greely. "Your Y might be from Japan, your mitochondrial DNA from Mexico and all other 1,022 ancestors from Sweden."

Greely worries that customers may not fully understand what they're getting. One company, DNAPrint Genomics, does test markers outside of the Y and mitochondrial DNA, then maps them to four regions of the world (West Africa, Europe, East Asia and the Americas)—that's where Gates got his 50/50 ancestry. But the percentages are only estimates, not certainties.
 
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You are right, Cloudy
Tremendous portential for both good and harm
But
Fascinating as hell
thank you! :rose: :kiss:
 
The really important stuff can't be coded for on DNA.

What worries me is when we think we know enough to 'change a person for the better'. We try real hard with our education system to stamp out people on a production line.

What will happen when we can do it physically as well?
 
Okay... I insist every rich, white old guy take the test... and we find a way to fudge the results.

'OH MY GOD! I'm a ni.... african american."

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
I remember another of those stories, how the markers for deep heritage- the mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down from the mother only- showed that an activist Native American tribal leader was related to a sweet little blond Minnesota girl- like, three thousand years back.
She was pleasantly amused by the ideas of universal brotherhood. he wasn't quite as happy about it, since he has immediate and present political fish to fry....

I've never tested, but I am sure I have the Mongolian gene, from my Polish-Russian- Jewish mother. You know, the Huns swept over the the northeast so often, most people from the area have it! She looks so oriental, that when we were in Japan, people spoke Japanese to her, assuming she was a "hapa". In New Mexico, Apaches thought she might be Hopi, and the Hopi thought she might be a 'Pash- they knew she wasn't one of theirs, of course.

We have low cholesteral, low blood pressure- untill late in life, when it can suddenly flip-flop- and no capacity for alchohol.
 
Stella_Omega said:
We have low cholesteral, low blood pressure- untill late in life, when it can suddenly flip-flop- and no capacity for alchohol.

we may be related then, mija. ;) I have the same thing.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I'd love to test myself. Wuld be fun to know :)

I agree, it would be interesting.

Stella: as long as we're not from the same clan, it's all good. ;)
 
Stella_Omega said:
I've never tested, but I am sure I have the Mongolian gene, from my Polish-Russian- Jewish mother. You know, the Huns swept over the the northeast so often, most people from the area have it! She looks so oriental, that when we were in Japan, people spoke Japanese to her, assuming she was a "hapa". In New Mexico, Apaches thought she might be Hopi, and the Hopi thought she might be a 'Pash- they knew she wasn't one of theirs, of course.
Can someone in your family tell you if you had a blue or blue-greyish birthmark on your butt, or near your lower spine? It's called the "Mongolian print" and appears at birth on babies of varying backgrounds but mostly on non-whites (Latin Am., Jewish, Asian). It fades away usually in weeks or months but at least before puberty. I recall seeing it on my baby brother and having it explained by my father as a Mexican thing. He said it with a pride that made me feel the same way. I never thought about it again until I saw the print on my firstborn son and re-experienced the same feeling of a proud connection.

One family of cousins used to be taken for Japanese all the time. During my youth I was asked a few times if I was Japanese or Hawaiian (or nigger :rolleyes: ). The exact words once: Are you Japs?! (Due to the tone of the query my mom and I left the store.)

Welcome to the tribe, chica :kiss: .

Perdita
 
perdita said:
Can someone in your family tell you if you had a blue or blue-greyish birthmark on your butt, or near your lower spine? It's called the "Mongolian print" and appears at birth on babies of varying backgrounds but mostly on non-whites (Latin Am., Jewish, Asian). It fades away usually in weeks or months but at least before puberty. I recall seeing it on my baby brother and having it explained by my father as a Mexican thing. He said it with a pride that made me feel the same way. I never thought about it again until I saw the print on my firstborn son and re-experienced the same feeling of a proud connection.

One family of cousins used to be taken for Japanese all the time. During my youth I was asked a few times if I was Japanese or Hawaiian (or nigger :rolleyes: ). The exact words once: Are you Japs?! (Due to the tone of the query my mom and I left the store.)

Welcome to the tribe, chica :kiss: .

Perdita
I thought you were Nordic??? :confused:


Great topic Cloudy. :rose:
 
cloudy said:
I agree, it would be interesting.

Stella: as long as we're not from the same clan, it's all good. ;)
The family legend says Blackfoot on my dad's side...
We're cool ;)
It would be fun to have your DNA charted, I think.
I have almost no information about my forebears on either side, my parents thought it didn't matter.

My hubby's mom did the family charts, so she could join the DAR :rolleyes: He has a pedigree going back to Duncan King Of Scots- one of those guys that spread his DNA everywhere he could, you know. My kids are descended from Pocahontas, in two lines, which is pretty common on the East coast, actually.

Perdita, gracias- and how do YOU feel about incest? (I'm all for it, myself) :kiss:
 
Stella_Omega said:
She's from the Garcia branch of the Viking Horde :D

(hello, darling)
It was the lack of braids and horned helmet that threw me.


(hi honey)
 
Stella_Omega said:
Perdita, gracias- and how do YOU feel about incest? (I'm all for it, myself) :kiss:
If between females I don't count it as incest, i.e., we're not going to produce mutant offspring so what's the big taboo-boo?.

Perdita :kiss:

p.s. re. the Nordic, I always knew I had some Valkyrie blood :cool: .
 
perdita said:
If between females I don't count it as incest, i.e., we're not going to produce mutant offspring so what's the big taboo-boo?.

Perdita :kiss:

p.s. re. the Nordic, I always knew I had some Valkyrie blood :cool: .
Now I have Wagner going through my head.


I think it would be rather interesting to have my DNA lineage tested. My family tree has a few squirrels.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Now I have Wagner going through my head.


I think it would be rather interesting to have my DNA lineage tested. My family tree has a few squirrels.

You're related to Charley?????
 
I would love to afford to be tested. I find it very interesting. Plus some other apocraphal family stories............
It would be great
 
It would be interesting to see what the tests came up with on me, but to be perfectly honest it truly doesn't matter.

I know who I am.
Me

I knw what race I belong to.
Human
(Although some have expressed their doubts about this at times I take it with a grain of salt.)

More importantly, I know which groups I don't belong to.
Those who find skin color and ethnicity more important than the person.

Cat
 
Well said, SeaCat.

I spent a while thinking about this, and what disturbs me the most about this is that it concentrates more on how we are different that how we are the same.

As if we hadn't already invented enough reasons to dislike each other.
 
As I agreed with Cloudy in the early posts.
There is potential for a great deal of good and eviil with results.
I was thinking in terms of inclusion. Feeling you were related/more included wtih a larger variety of groups.
I guess it's all how you look at it.
JMHO

Hugo
 
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